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D'Ann · Oct 4, 2008

ShannonMcCatholic said:
That wasn't directed at you, D'Ann- rather at your statement. You told me that we can't judge what people know...I think we MUST judge whther or not someone we are reading has a firm grasp on Church teaching if this place is going to be of any value whatsoever. Should I just believe that whatever anybody writes on this board is representative of Catholic teaching or do I need to make a judgement about what they are writing?

Oooh.. Okay. I understand what you mean. Sorry for misunderstanding where you were coming from. We do need to be prudent in deciphering the truth verses a misconception of the truth verses a misconstrued, twisted version of the truth verses a false teaching and heresy... etc. Thank you for explaining further.

It relates, because my point was that there's a perception that there were certain offenders on one particular end of the political spectrum-- and that everyone is all "We want to talk about the Faith! Woot! Woot!"--which is great, truly fine to want to do on a Catholic part of a forum...however the other side of the story is that many of the unreported, unbanned offenders who set themselves up as purveyors of Catholic authenticity are themselves underinformed when it comes to the Faith.

Shannon, it's imperative that all sides work together because all sides can be hurt otherwise. For those who are under informed and/or posting false teachings, we can do our best to share the truth, but if they are posting contrary to the Catholic teachings, please let me know... use the report button or send me a pm. I cherish our safe haven, this is our OBOB and I don't want any harm done to any one of us due to false doctrine being taught. If it is something that can be refuted in a healthy and respectful and reasonable and rational way, please refute it, otherwise, please let me know. I'm here to do whatever possible to keep our safe haven... safe and not allow any false doctrine or heresy to be taught here.

What I may not understand, I'll ask and do my best to learn and understand... but I'm here because I care. I have no desire to see anyone leave our home. We all may not get along or see eye to eye, but we are one in Christ and that means something to me.

ANd so as we foray into talking about the Faith (LOL! or as we morph into being a completely dead forum)- I think that's important to know. You don't think that's important to know. Both opinions can exist simultaneously.

Many opinions can exist simultaneously and many discussions can exist simultaneously... but the political threads and debates that have nothing or very little to do with our faith have only hurt our safe haven more. These threads have chased many Catholics away and who knows how many lurkers may have been stumbled due to these threads away from our beautiful Catholic Church. Why do I feel this? How do I know? Because I've received many pms stating so.

God's peace,

Debbie

JoabAnias · Oct 5, 2008

geocajun said:
Correct me if I'm wrong here.

Gwenyfur · Oct 5, 2008

stephenc said:
Fair enough. Neither do I, btw.

But if we're having this discussion; what's your take, as a neutral observer, naturally, on the fact that the members who are finding it increasingly difficult to remain at OBOB are all members who would be designated with the epithet "liberal"?

(Which is a silly label for a wide range of people and opinions, btw, but in this context it saves time).

I think people come with so many ideals, even within the unity of the Catholic church to be labeled as anything... I think it's absolutely ridiculous to insult or belittle someone because they hold different personal values than someone else.

But I am reminded constantly by most of those who are struggling with spiritual issues, that this area (OBOB), was intended to be a "Safe Haven" to discuss matters of faith, doctrine, struggles, prayer needs...and that the nastiness of the political threads were preventing that. Is that the goal of OBOB, to tear each other's throats out over an election of an American President?

How many times and how many ways was the 2nd commandment of Christ broken in those threads...did Christ not command us to "love our brother as ourselves"?

That's the trouble with labels...they shift the focus from what Christ commands, to what we "feel".

geocajun said:
Well then let me go on record as saying I think it totally stinks that you took a parting shot at us as you left being an admin of this area by making a decision that should be left to the admins.
I've always felt that 'site advisers' took their roles too far and make decisions instead of advising, and your action cut the legs out from the admins and you should retract it and meet with them and offer your advice on what *they* should do since it is their area.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm under the impression that you did not even consult with the admins before making this decision all by yourself.

As the former admin of this area, I would hardly call it a "parting shot". I would call it a mutual decision between the advisors that the situation in OBOB with politics and it's detrimental affect on those Catholics who no longer felt comfortable discussing their own faith in their own Catholic "Safe Haven" had reached a critical point. Had Davidnic been online, he would have been consulted...but enough people had been hurt or driven away that we didn't feel the need to wait. A replacement for me hadn't as yet accepted.

The point of our decision is 2 fold, to restore a touch of peace to the forum, yes, but more importantly, to return to the "Safe Haven" where Catholics can discuss their faith, their struggles, their doctrine, their questions, and even ask for prayer from their Catholic brethren.

The goal of CF is the edification and education of its members...

What was happening in the politcs for hte sake of politics threads wasn't education, or edifying....it was a mass of insults and degredation.

Again, threads that tie the politics of the election directly to how it will effect Church doctrine are still allowed....but the candidate/party/member bash fests are over.

Debi1967 · Oct 5, 2008

Gwenyfur said:
I think people come with so many ideals, even within the unity of the Catholic church to be labeled as anything... I think it's absolutely ridiculous to insult or belittle someone because they hold different personal values than someone else.

But I am reminded constantly by most of those who are struggling with spiritual issues, that this area (OBOB), was intended to be a "Safe Haven" to discuss matters of faith, doctrine, struggles, prayer needs...and that the nastiness of the political threads were preventing that. Is that the goal of OBOB, to tear each other's throats out over an election of an American President?

How many times and how many ways was the 2nd commandment of Christ broken in those threads...did Christ not command us to "love our brother as ourselves"?

That's the trouble with labels...they shift the focus from what Christ commands, to what we "feel".

As the former admin of this area, I would hardly call it a "parting shot". I would call it a mutual decision between the advisors that the situation in OBOB with politics and it's detrimental affect on those Catholics who no longer felt comfortable discussing their own faith in their own Catholic "Safe Haven" had reached a critical point. Had Davidnic been online, he would have been consulted...but enough people had been hurt or driven away that we didn't feel the need to wait. A replacement for me hadn't as yet accepted.

The point of our decision is 2 fold, to restore a touch of peace to the forum, yes, but more importantly, to return to the "Safe Haven" where Catholics can discuss their faith, their struggles, their doctrine, their questions, and even ask for prayer from their Catholic brethren.

The goal of CF is the edification and education of its members...

What was happening in the politcs for hte sake of politics threads wasn't education, or edifying....it was a mass of insults and degredation.

Again, threads that tie the politics of the election directly to how it will effect Church doctrine are still allowed....but the candidate/party/member bash fests are over.

Love your Gwenny and thanks to you and the other Advisors for giving back to us Catholics that want a Safe Haven a place of respite. It is indeed a great deal of the reason why I had stopped posting in this section. Because it was no longer a place IMHO where people could share their thoughts and beliefs with one another without some people putting them down for their beliefs all the time just because they disagreed. I do not mind someone saying they disagree with me, what I mind is someone constantly telling me nasty things and being insulting towards me because I do not agree with them or they do not agree with me. It is most uncharitable.

BAFRIEND · Oct 5, 2008

I wish that the fact that an entirely independent website has been formed for basically posting PMs and blasting mods has been set up to skirt CF rules will be addressed. That site is rampant with cussing and inuendo about members and staff.- you name it.

Shows true character.

ShannonMcCatholic · Oct 5, 2008

BAFRIEND said:
I wish that the fact that an entirely independent website has been formed for basically posting PMs and blasting mods has been set up to skirt CF rules will be addressed. That site is rampant with cussing and inuendo about members and staff.- you name it.

Shows true character.

LOL! Addressed how? Oh wait, I know....you don't have to put the address in your browser!! Ever hear of IIDB? Though perhaps, that's the board about which you are speaking....

Gwenyfur · Oct 5, 2008

BAFRIEND said:
I wish that the fact that an entirely independent website has been formed for basically posting PMs and blasting mods has been set up to skirt CF rules will be addressed. That site is rampant with cussing and inuendo about members and staff.- you name it.

Shows true character.

To date, I can think of 6 sites that have at least 1 dedicated thread to CF bashing ... I find most of what they say amusing...'cause with as advertised as my MSN is...they don't have the guts to say it to my "face" ^_^

geocajun · Oct 5, 2008

Gwenyfur said:
To date, I can think of 6 sites that have at least 1 dedicated thread to CF bashing ... I find most of what they say amusing...'cause with as advertised as my MSN is...they don't have the guts to say it to my "face"

I don't think its a lack of guts. It could be, but on the face of it I doubt it. I'm sure if you joined that site where you aren't 'protected' like you are here they would be happy to discuss their feelings with you. Have you tried that?

Debi1967 · Oct 5, 2008

geocajun said:
I don't think its a lack of guts. It could be, but on the face of it I doubt it. I'm sure if you joined that site where you aren't 'protected' like you are here they would be happy to discuss their feelings with you. Have you tried that?

JoanofArc has

Davidnic · Oct 5, 2008

I just want to say that Friday afternoon until Sunday after Church is family time when I am not on the forum. I will be doing my best to catch up on this thread today.

Debi1967 · Oct 5, 2008

This addressed to the whole of OBOB and the thread

I am a member of OBOB and have been for 5 years now, just because I chose to stop posting in here during certain times and because people started acting uncharitably IMHO does not mean that I am no less a member. And it just because of people making aspersions themselves about my character all the time because I do not agree with them philosophically and agree with them in terms of Church matters that I stopped posting in here to begin with with.

I am hoping this change will mean that SOME of that will change and that people will stop such uncharitable behaviour and allow me the right to post my opinion as well.

And yes I am a Traditional Catholic

NOT a RAD Trad

Debi1967 · Oct 5, 2008

ShannonMcCatholic said:
Debi- . If you want a voice, then suck it up and post in here in threads other than these type of threads. Lead by example. If you don't want to do that - then do us all a favor and stay wherever it is you regularly post here on CF where people don't suck as badly as you seem to think they do here in OBOB.

People don't "suck" here in OBOB Shannon and I never said that please do place something in my mind or in my posts that is not there. They are ALL my Brethren whether they agree with me or not and are entitled to their opinions. In all actuality if you go and look through my posts you will see that I do not post often in the open forum for quite some time. For one I was quite sick there for awhile and could hardly take care of being on staff and had to concentrate all my online time to that. Second there is no other section other than posting in Recovery every once in awhile to help people that really interests me. But I felt that if I asked for prayer here then I would even have to answer for that in some way. People did not take kindly to my crisis in faith that I had last year and were very scornful of me

Debi1967 · Oct 5, 2008

ShannonMcCatholic said:
I had a crisis of faith, too, but somehow still managed to post in OBOB for a couple years without only joining in threads about how OBOB was a pit. If OBOB doesn't interest you then why post in here now? If it does interest you, then why not post? Why not start threads which will yield to the results which you want? Pick an opinion and be consistent or have the character to stay silent. Either you are interested, or you are not. Either you care enough about your "brethren" to be part of the solution, or you don't.

this is NOT a thread about OBOB being a PIT as you call as I did not and never would it is a thread about a Staff decision made for our benefit

Debi1967 · Oct 5, 2008

ShannonMcCatholic said:
Except, of course it is...because folks like you dragged into this thread how they just couldn't post in here before this staff action. As though there was some unseen impediment to them overtaking the board by posting non-political threads, focused on whatever it was that they deemed more worthy of discussion.

And give me a break--this is for Staff benefit, just as was the initital ban on politics in here (which was directly stated- the intial ban was to catch up with the reports).
Even if what you write is true--that staff made this decision for "our" benefit- then how dare they act the role of parent or superior. They aren't staff because they have moral superiority- rahter because nobody with an opposing viewpoint can actually get on staff. It's a neat little closed circle like that.

I am sorry you see it that way but I respectfully disagree

SolomonVII · Oct 5, 2008

But I felt that if I asked for prayer here then I would even have to answer for that in some way. People did not take kindly to my crisis in faith that I had last year and were very scornful of me0

I don't think that you should take this personally, btw. Crises of faith define our age, for over one hundred and fifty years now. Lest more people get swept down under into your own personal crisis of faith, sometimes extreme measures are taken and even needed.

Charity is only possible for those who have life and faith in abundance. For the many here who are trying to hang to a steep cliff by our fingertips, your crisis of faith may well by like someone coming around and stomping on fingertips, or a dead weight clinging to our ankles.

The internet abounds with sites and threads and posts that wreak havoc with faith and that criticize the Church well beyond the point of open contempt. For those of us who have been blessed with some very strong voices of faith in OBOB over the years, maybe a little restraint is in order when our personal faith walls are breached.

What I am basically saying is that my vote is for having these congregational forums as first and foremost a haven for those who are still capable of celebrating their faith.

Debi1967 · Oct 5, 2008

SolomonVII said:
I don't think that you shuld take this personally, btw. Crisis of faith defines our age, for over one hundred and fifty hyears now. Lest more people get sweept down under into your own personal crisis of faith, sometimes extreme measures are taken and even needed.

Carity is only possible for those who have life and faith in abundance. For the many here who are trying to hang to a steept on by our fingertips, your ciris of faith may well by like someone coming around and stomping on fingertips, or a dead weight clinging to our ankles.

The internet abounds with sites and threads and posts that wreak havoc with faith and that criticize the Church well beyond the point of open contempt. For those of us who have been blessed with some very strong voices of faith in OBOB over the years, maybe a little restraint is in order when our personal faith walls are breached.

What I am basically saying is that my vote is for having these congregational forums as first and foremost a haven for those who are still capable of celebrating their faith.

Thank you and believe me it is not personal and I have taken nothing personal that anyone has posted in this thread even to me because they have a right to an opinion besides which I have every intention of coming back home to OBOB

D'Ann · Oct 5, 2008

All are welcomed here, whether they agree or don't agree... whether they had health issues or not... or a crisis of faith... infact, the OBOB should be here for people with a faith crisis. Like Gweny said, we need to focus on the 2nd commandment instead of our feelings.

ukok · Oct 5, 2008

Gwenyfur,

Not meaning to cause further friction in OBOB, but can i ask you directly, (since i've mentioned it already in this thread and not had a response about my suggestion from Staff) would it be possible to have a SUB-FORUM in OBOB for the discussion of politics?

I suggest this as a means to allow discussions on Political Matters (pertaining specifically to Catholic voting) to remain in OBOB, but not in such a way that they dominate the main board?

With your permission, would I be allowed to post a poll to ascertain how many OBOB'ers would be in support of a politics sub-forum in OBOB?

Many thanks!

Davidnic · Oct 5, 2008

ukok said:
Gwenyfur,

Not meaning to cause further friction in OBOB, but can i ask you directly, (since i've mentioned it already in this thread and not had a response about my suggestion from Staff) would it be possible to have a SUB-FORUM in OBOB for the discussion of politics?

I suggest this as a means to allow discussions on Political Matters (pertaining specifically to Catholic voting) to remain in OBOB, but not in such a way that they dominate the main board?

With your permission, would I be allowed to post a poll to ascertain how many OBOB'ers would be in support of a politics sub-forum in OBOB?

Many thanks!

There was a poll on this before...I will dig it up.

Davidnic · Oct 5, 2008

here it is: link

10 were for a sub forum
7 against totally
9 opted to have the rules enforced more strictly
5 did not care about political threads

10 ten yes
16 in some version of no
and 5 did not care

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