“This generation shall not pass”

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After our Lord Jesus enumerated the different signs for His second coming, He ardently warned His Disciples:

  • Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

  • Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
How did this happen in the generation of the Apostles?
If so, why do many people still expect this to happen?
 

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After our Lord Jesus enumerated the different signs for His second coming, He ardently warned His Disciples:

  • Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
  • Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
How did this happen in the generation of the Apostles?
If so, why do many people still expect this to happen?

How did these signs enumerated by our Lord happen “in the generation of the Apostles?”Religious leaders of Christian sects present different views on this matter. I am only reminded of the people at Berea:

Act 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Act 17:12 Therefore many of them believed…
 
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How did these signs enumerated by our Lord happen “in the generation of the Apostles?”Religious leaders of Christian sects present different views on this matter. I am only reminded of the people at Berea:

Act 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Act 17:12 Therefore many of them believed…

The nobles were Jews who had knowledge of the Jewish faith, and the Jewish Scriptures. When Paul and Silas showed up and told them the Good News that the Messiah has come and he has fullfilled the prophecies of the Old, and we are now in under a new covenant with him, as he has been ressurected and glorified sitting at the right hand of the Father.

These nobles searched for as many prophecies as they could find in their scriptures, and in the end they found that this Jesus, Paul had brought to them was truly the Messiah.

The answer to the original post... is that Christ has won, he reigns supreme over everything. On Earth, we are here on the frontlines between Heaven and Hell. Both Heaven and Hell can start here depending on how we live our lives.

Heaven in the OT use to be seperated from the World, and the world was viewed as owned by Satan as he had control over thing worldly. In the NT the World is no longer seperated from heaven, as the World is the begining of Heaven. So Heaven and Earth has passed away in the sense that there is no dividing line between them.

In the world today its difficult to see this, because the devil doesn't want to give up his control over the world. Those who follow Christ and turn away from sin will suffer. There are people who say they are "saved" but really are not, because they won't turn away from sin, because they think that Chirst's sacrifice over rights anything bad they could ever do, and nothing they do can affect their salvation they continue to live in sin, and wait for the day of Judgement where they will be disappointed.

In the end Jesus won, Satan lost. Satan is a sore loser.
 
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After our Lord Jesus enumerated the different signs for His second coming, He ardently warned His Disciples:

  • Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

  • Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
How did this happen in the generation of the Apostles?
It did not happen. The verse should be translated:

'"Truly, I say to you, this age will not pass until all these things are fulfilled."'

'This age' of the last days, begun by the advent of the gospel, characterised by more wickedness than in earlier times, continues. Jesus was really saying that, though things may appear to go on all the same, there will be no escape. His words and warnings will be vindicated, despite appearances.
 
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How did this happen in the generation of the Apostles?

Daniel Newman helpfully writes the following:

While I admit that I’m in a minority who hold this view, I don’t think it’s exegetically sustainable at all to read this passage as teaching about Christ’s return, for a number of reasons:



1. The context is Jesus talking about the destruction of the temple (v. 2), which the disciples then ask him about (v. 3).


2. We can’t just assume ‘the close of the age’ (v. 3) means ‘the end of the world’. Given that Christ is talking about the destruction of the temple, it is quite natural to read it as talking about the close of the Old Covenant era with the destruction of its apparatus.


3. Jesus is addressing those disciples immediately gathered before him. They are the ones who are not to be led astray, be alarmed and who will be delivered up to death and hated (vv. 4-9).


4. vv. 15-21 are clearly talking about AD70 and the destruction of the temple, and not solely as an illustration of the persecution that will characterise the period leading up to Jesus return - this is the climactic event in Jesus’ discourse.


5. The apocalyptic language of v. 29 doesn’t have to be speaking about the end of the world. In fact, it echoes language used of the destruction of Babylon in Isaiah 13.10, and appears to be making the point that is made at length in the book of Revelation: that Babylon is Jerusalem and is being destroyed.

6. The coming of the Son of Man (v. 30) is in its biblical context most emphatically not about his coming to earth to judge but about his coming to heaven in vindication over and against his enemies, and to receive authority over the whole earth (Daniel 7.13-14, 21-22).

7. Fig trees (v. 32) are symbolic of Israel (see e.g. 1 Kings 4.25)


8. All the things mentioned in Matthew 24.1-33 - including the coming of the Son of Man - will take place in the lifetime of those disciples to whom Jesus was speaking (v. 34).


Now, that doesn’t mean Matthew 24 doesn’t have application to the church today. We can still learn from the exhortations not to be led astray by false prophets and false Christs, not to fear at natural disaster, to stand fast in persecution, to remember God’s grace in restraining persecution for the sake of his elect, to recognize Christ’s authority over all things &c.



If so, why do many people still expect this to happen?

Because many have been influenced by the futurist reading of biblical prophesy popularised by American evangelicals.
 
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After our Lord Jesus enumerated the different signs for His second coming, He ardently warned His Disciples:

  • Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

  • Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
How did this happen in the generation of the Apostles?
If so, why do many people still expect this to happen?

Without entering into the translation question that has been raised, you have assumed that the words "this generation" mean the generation of the apostles. But they could just as easily mean the generation that would see all these things come to pass, which was expressly mentioned in the preceding verse. If that was the true meaning of these words, it appears to be a reference to our own generation, or to one in the near future.
 
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The Kingdom of God is within those who believe and eventually becomes "All in all" when finally handed over to the Father (1Co15:28):

Lu 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation. 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Every generation that reads and takes to heart the words of God, believing on them, begins the process of entering God's kingdom who "is", "was" and "will be":

Rev.1:4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne,
5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--
 
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Without entering into the translation question that has been raised, you have assumed that the words "this generation" mean the generation of the apostles. But they could just as easily mean the generation that would see all these things come to pass, which was expressly mentioned in the preceding verse. If that was the true meaning of these words, it appears to be a reference to our own generation, or to one in the near future.


Amen!

In Christ,
Tracey
 
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Rev 13.6: ... to blaspheme ... those dwelling in the heaven (AD77).

The best proof that this is true is from the writers DENYING that it is true.
They write, "The apostles expected Jesus to return in their lifetime, but WE KNOW THAT DID NOT HAPPEN."

And, how do they know that? They just admitted the apostles believed this fact. Are the denyers of the Bible wiser than the apostles of the Lord Jesus?

"The fool has said in his heart, 'No Goods (MYHLA)'" - Psalm.

I was blinded as you are today. But Jesus promoted a "3 = 2" public debate in 1992.

#1 - both men believed Jesus was resurrected.
#2 - on man believed in a resurrection in AD 70.
#3 - the other man believed an end of time resurrection.

These were "3 = 2" men, but they convinced my wife and I that, "God can count to three. See: 1Cor 15.22-24, where all three are listed together.
 
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Was the then contemporary generation. Matthew doesn't say, 'that generation;' he says 'this generation.'

Moreover, Mt 24:34

'Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.'

Is nearly identical to Mt 23:36

'Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.'

Which demonstrates that the whole passage is a single, literary unit.

And no one questions that Mt 23:36 refers to the generation present then.

Isn't it funny how 'literalism' (whatever that means) insists that a phrase mean one thing this time, and another thing another, when the same saying occurs in the same passage. Why IS that?

Instead of altering the theology to suit the exegesis, the exegesis 'literally' bends the hermeneutics to suit the theology.

What a farce!

'what you see this morning was predicted centuries ago by the prophet Joel:

'In the last days, God said, I will pour out my Spirit upon all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams. In those days I will pour out my Spirit upon all my servants, men and women alike, and they will prophesy.

And I will cause wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below-- blood and fire and clouds of smoke. The sun will be turned into darkness, and the moon will turn bloodred, before that great and glorious day of the Lord arrives. And anyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.' Acts 2:16-21

Here is a question for you:

'Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom' (Mt 16:28).

How old are these people now?
 
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Depends on bible commentary interpretations you used.
There is a clear argument for saying Jesus was talking to who, Jews, so Israel was the key.
Yet today we look in the west for some anti-christ from Europe that's gonna so called microchip us and control us and so on.

On the other hand, and again, can be debated, when saying things like all the earth, clear, but nations, can be debated as I just said cause of the nations at that time, around Israel.

Anyway, as I was saying, in some commentaries says things like race, and it applies to the whole of then until now.

However if we delve deeper, it seems often when the word generation was used in the Bible, even by Jesus, it was referring to a particular time.
If that is so and there really is this 70 weeks, split up, meaning years in daniel and all the rest what gives.

I get sick and tired trying to point out the biggest clue and key of all, concerning is it really our generation and believe me I have huge doubts sometimes.

Could it be said, though Jesus Himself claimed not to know, that He had an idea that would span the generations, seems the first part was applied to the Jews, not one stone left standing, flee to the hills, so on, which some interpret and yes Bible history does repeat itself as applying today.
But where you gonna flee from, if it's gonna come on all the earth.

Here is the key for me:
Matthew 24:6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you aren't troubled, for all this must happen, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there will be famines, plagues, and earthquakes in various places.
8 But all these things are the beginning of birth pains.

People also say we have always had those things, when talking of earthquakes, famines and diseases, but they miss the point. In verse 8 in Matthew 24, that is so key. A woman can't stay pregnant forever, think, so eventually these things either 1: Get worse. Some could say where earthquakes are concerned we've had bigger one's and far more people killed centuries ago, but also, which I think is more the key, hence my 1 and a half folder full of such news relating to weather and diseases and whatever else disasters since 2003, that 2: These things shall happen more often.

The above and much more taken from my homepage.

In the Old Testament, it predicts Israel will become a nation again.
So obvious Hitler was not the one, as we had to wait for that, and in fact whatever satan does backfires.
How satan celebrated, opening bottle of bubbly, ha ha, done it.
3 days later, GRRRRRRRR, Jesus rose from the dead.
Satan tries to wipe out the Jews through Hilter.
Failed and Israel as a nation actually gets set up, failed.

So the key is Israel, so we need to look now at world events since 1948.
Especially since 2001.

Does God punish nations, did in the Old Testament, and I know He certainly allows things to happen.
WHY?
For correction.
The US and UK are now deserting God faster than you can say Bye God.

We have learned nothing, when Israel did this, during the good times, they were taken captive.
Hence 911.
Since 911, having monitored since 2003, I see the headlines:
Worse floods for a century.
Worse snow storms in decades.
Earthquake and Tsunami killing over 250,000 people.

So it goes on.
Another clue is the sun, moon, stars, not global warning con.
We cause very little of this.
BUT what does the sun and moon do, effect the earth.

We need now then to look at Luke 21 and pooh our pants:

24 They will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
25 There will be signs in the sun, moon, and stars; and on the earth anxiety of nations, in perplexity for the roaring of the sea and the waves;
26 men fainting for fear, and for expectation of the things which are coming on the world: for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Now some believed as I did that verse 24 refers to 1967.
However some believe when Jesus actually returns.
But who is on control of Jerusalem as such, even if secular in nation, not us, not UN, not Europe, otherwise they let Gaza carry on shelling them, or would they.

Birth pangs, she can not stay pregnant forever.

Think, UK right now, in recession, deep trouble, got unrest, that will get far worse, wild cat strikes, so on, maybe riots, so on.
Bad weather, snow, costing millions to a billion a day, adding more debt and worry to an already collapsing situation.
Volcano in Japan, did not know they had one, erupting, first time in 5 years.

Say one event, people say we have always had them, but then, like me collecting them all over the years, when you add them up you think, heck and it's gonna get worse, if Jesus did not return, be no flesh to return to.

We are evolving, but devolving as John Mackay would say, getting worse and worse.

Mentally we should be prepared, after my experience in 2003:
http://www.4hurtingchristians.com/my_powerful_story.html

I was, willing to die for God.
What changed, why now running from Him, why depressed, because of the cost.
Genuine Christian does not sit on his butt, but bravely get out there, reach people.

If I'm wrong and we sit here in 20 years, be very surprised.
The beast is already forming, a one world system.

They know, even if they don't cause it, about the world collapsing, and allow it, for reasons like, well Iceland now wanting to be fast tracked into the EU.

All about power and money.
The mark is money, do you live for money or God.
Do you wake up and think, got to give to the Alpha course, or some good cause to reach people and do a Christian website and discs and let people know what's going on.
Or wake up and go, money money money, yep must remember to do the lottery, cause I wanna boat, mansion, and nice car and, yeah man.
Don't let satan through money buy your soul.

What makes this generation the one, events that, yes have happened before, but are now happening, firstly more often and secondly more closely together.
Think, throw in an earthquake, Tsunami caused by it, then hurricane and then recession and then this and then that and one think, heck someone trying to tell us something, this carries on and starts happening all in the same month, week, day even, millions will die.
Not to mention wars, ethnic one's that Jesus meant, have gone nuts.
Hence the so called need to untie everyone under peace, same currency, cause it well solve it won't it.
NO IT WON'T.
Can be no peace until the prince of peace returns, amen.
 
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(See my previous post above for why I'm doing some of the following, which is barely a handful found on the net from reliable sources like news headlines.)

Here from just tying in things like worse flood in a century decade is what you find in google:

South Asia suffers ‘worst floods in living memory’


Northern India, Nepal and Bangladesh suffer their worst flooding in a century, but relief efforts continue to be inadequate.

Chinese floods kill at least 535 and force millions to leave homes


Some of the worst flooding in a century in parts of China has killed at least 536 people in two weeks, and forecasters are predicting more rain in the area where rising waters have already forced the evacuation of 1.4 million residents.

Worst Monsoon Floods in a Decade Sweep Thailand and Myanmar


Published: October 12, 2006


China Battles Worst Snow Storms in Decades; No End in Sight.


Jan 28th 2008

Brisbane storm brings worst flooding in decades

Thursday 20 November 2008 09.52 GMT

Brisbane storm brings worst flooding in decades

Thursday 20 November 2008 09.52 GMT A storm centred around Brisbane on Australia's east coast has caused the worst flooding in decades, sweeping one woman to her death in a car and cutting power to 800 homes.


Dengue outbreak 'worst since WWII'

January 20, 2009 06:33pm

HEALTH authorities are struggling to contain the worst outbreak of dengue fever to hit Queensland since before World War II.

Locust Outbreak In Australia Worst In Decades - Mice Also Swarming

And July 11th 2008:
WASHINGTON (July 10) - The biggest U.S. outbreak of measles since 1997 has sickened 127 people in 15 states, most of whom were not vaccinated against the highly contagious viral illness, federal health officials said on Wednesday…

54 die in worst tornadoes in decades


So, need I go on, I think you get the point, take the last few years since 2001 and probably find more disasters in that of various kinds than in previous 20 to 30 years plus, certainly closer together as I've been saying.
More frequent in otherwords.
 
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Without entering into the translation question that has been raised, you have assumed that the words "this generation" mean the generation of the apostles. But they could just as easily mean the generation that would see all these things come to pass, which was expressly mentioned in the preceding verse. If that was the true meaning of these words, it appears to be a reference to our own generation, or to one in the near future.

Then how does one rationalize this with, "truly, there are those standing here who will not taste death before" as delivered in the Olivet discourse? You can debate "generation" all you want, but clearly, in all gospels relating this incident, Jesus WAS telling those with him that the events He was speaking about WOULD occur within their lifetime - the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 and the end of God's covenant with the Jews - the "end of the age" which had existed to that point.

Take care all and God bless! :)
 
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(See my previous post above for why I'm doing some of the following, which is barely a handful found on the net from reliable sources like news headlines.)

Here from just tying in things like worse flood in a century decade is what you find in google:

South Asia suffers ‘worst floods in living memory’


Northern India, Nepal and Bangladesh suffer their worst flooding in a century, but relief efforts continue to be inadequate.

Chinese floods kill at least 535 and force millions to leave homes


Some of the worst flooding in a century in parts of China has killed at least 536 people in two weeks, and forecasters are predicting more rain in the area where rising waters have already forced the evacuation of 1.4 million residents.

Worst Monsoon Floods in a Decade Sweep Thailand and Myanmar


Published: October 12, 2006


China Battles Worst Snow Storms in Decades; No End in Sight.


Jan 28th 2008

Brisbane storm brings worst flooding in decades

Thursday 20 November 2008 09.52 GMT

Brisbane storm brings worst flooding in decades

Thursday 20 November 2008 09.52 GMT A storm centred around Brisbane on Australia's east coast has caused the worst flooding in decades, sweeping one woman to her death in a car and cutting power to 800 homes.


Dengue outbreak 'worst since WWII'

January 20, 2009 06:33pm

HEALTH authorities are struggling to contain the worst outbreak of dengue fever to hit Queensland since before World War II.

Locust Outbreak In Australia Worst In Decades - Mice Also Swarming

And July 11th 2008:
WASHINGTON (July 10) - The biggest U.S. outbreak of measles since 1997 has sickened 127 people in 15 states, most of whom were not vaccinated against the highly contagious viral illness, federal health officials said on Wednesday…

54 die in worst tornadoes in decades


So, need I go on, I think you get the point, take the last few years since 2001 and probably find more disasters in that of various kinds than in previous 20 to 30 years plus, certainly closer together as I've been saying.
More frequent in otherwords.

Does the word "Pompei" mean anything to you? These are rather weak and tiresome futurist statements. Calamities and world events much worse than our current state of affairs can be found going back thousands of years - disasters and chaos are nothing new.

Take care and God bless! :)
 
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