Harm thoughts

for those who have had them i dont need to explain ..recently i had a terrible bout with them because of someone i was befriending , the more focus i placed on the person the thoughts of hurting them or their family occured ..now of i course i would never do any of these things but it makes you fell horrible inside ..

i remember how i could not spend time with my nephew without having thoughts and images of doing horrible things to him and i love that boy dearly

i would never do those things to him ..and it is soo disrupting ..

and when you try to explain this to a family member that uou have these types of thoughts even if you dont mention that they are the subject of these thoughts they begin to THINK and WONDER if they are ..

and then you fear that they are becomming afraid of you ...and that hurts in and of itself ..

Oh, yeah. Classic freaking OCD. This is probably one of the worst parts. You know what po'd me off? I wrote a whole list, two pages of symptoms...thoughts about harming certain people were on the list, and even my doctor made a big deal out of it. I was like, "This is what people with OCD do! This is WHY we obsess! You are supposed to reassure me, not raising your freaking eyebrows when you read it!"

Lisa0315 said:

Oh, yeah. Classic freaking OCD. This is probably one of the worst parts. You know what po'd me off? I wrote a whole list, two pages of symptoms...thoughts about harming certain people were on the list, and even my doctor made a big deal out of it. I was like, "This is what people with OCD do! This is WHY we obsess! You are supposed to reassure me, not raising your freaking eyebrows when you read it!"

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thanks lisa ... and im sorry about youre doctor ...hes ignorant ..and to be honest its that sort of arrogance and ignorance that i think stands in the way of getting effective treatment ..

that would have infuriated me and after a little chat the Doctor would no doubt order me out ..

this is one of the reasons that people do not seek treatment ...

it reminds me of something but i cant say it here but suffice it to say sometimes those who are here to help us end up hurting us more ..

I remember when I was having these thoughts, I told a friend and I believe she was very afraid of me. She denied it of coarse but I heard from other sources. I actually believe it got around at my job..Like I wasnt having enough problems at work in my current state,

Just be careful who you tell these things, because not everyone will understand.

eventually it did go away tho, which is a good thing

and even my doctor made a big deal out of it. I was like, "This is what people with OCD do! This is WHY we obsess! You are supposed to reassure me, not raising your freaking eyebrows when you read it!"

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It sounds like your doctor was almost shocked or suprised that you were experiancing them. Has he ever dealth with OCD cases before? I refuse to go to a doctor that hasnt. They dont sem to understand. actually it seems like that with alot of different health cases..

Jayangel81 said:

I remember when I was having these thoughts, I told a friend and I believe she was very afraid of me. She denied it of coarse but I heard from other sources. I actually believe it got around at my job..Like I wasnt having enough problems at work in my current state,

Just be careful who you tell these things, because not everyone will understand.

eventually it did go away tho, which is a good thing




It sounds like your doctor was almost shocked or suprised that you were experiancing them. Has he ever dealth with OCD cases before? I refuse to go to a doctor that hasnt. They dont sem to understand. actually it seems like that with alot of different health cases..

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Counselor was not shocked. MD, only seen him once before, and he seems an arrogant jerk. I think they have a policy about anyone stating that they think about harming themselves or others. I just expect more of a poker face. I like my counselor. I do not like the MD.

Lisa

Hi Picassoui...really sorry your experiencing this...it's horrible, (minor understatement), to have thoughts that either repulse or shock you! I hope you're feeling at least a bit better! Take care, Rachel

Breckmin said:

The problem I have seen in counseling is that everyone wants to attribute irrational thoughts and behavior to OCD rather than the spiritual warfare that is taking place with the Christian who has the OCD. Blasphemous thoughts do not just pop out of no where. If you are driving down the road and you feel the urge to drive of the cliff and commit suicide is that really just OCD?? Or is there spiritual temptation here that is taking advantage of the person with OCD? The same would be true for harming someone. There are people who do not have OCD, for instance, but who have been
under the influence of demonic spirits who have had the same thoughts. Can we
blame OCD in their specific cases? Perhaps it is the OCD that makes the Christian
easily under the influence of demonic spirits. If this is the case, then we need to confront the problem with spiritual weapons, and not "just" medication (although medication can be helpful when you can find the right medication).
I do not believe it is logical to merely blame OCD for distructive behavior in born-
again Christians. Not when you witness the deliverance of such individuals that
makes you question the whole professional industry's perspective on OCD.

"You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free."

I hope I have made you think, a second time.
In His Great Love and Forgiveness for us,
Michael

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Thank you. And you are right. My OCD never got healed by medications. While medications do help to some extent. I am far from saying that we shouldnt try meds.
But I had to use spiritual weapons.
of coarse I can tell alot of people frown upon me when I speak such things because they just wanna keep saying your sick, your sick.and they arent wrong in a sense. Yes they are sick. In no way am I even discrediting that. However..

People neglect that there is also a very very real spiritual realm that can effect this OCD, on great levels. But im afraid it wants to be overlooked in most cases. and the enemy will make sure it gets over looked.

Those are my thoughts on it.

THIS is very similar to what i was talking about a while back but i was chastised by other members of this forum. It is very easy to just label it all mental illnes get drugged or go through therapy ,..But if you do that alone you are missing the whole picture ..

I think a balanced view is to look at from both angles and meet somewhere in the middle ..

Hope you never felt I was chastising you Picassoui...if so I am truly sorry! Take care, Rachel

Jayangel81 said:

Thank you. And you are right. My OCD never got healed by medications.
However

People neglect that there is also a very very real spiritual realm that can effect this OCD, on great levels. But im afraid it wants to be overlooked in most cases. and the enemy will make sure it gets over looked.

Those are my thoughts on it.

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Hi Jayangel,
When I was 26 years old I was also, "healed" from my OCD/panic disorder without the use of any medications. I was in constant prayer and in the Word during this time asking for healing. What I termed healing back then was in retrospect more of a remission of the disorder. Now I do believe that God used many things to help me get better at that time. I finally learned about Panic Disorder and I learned about the kinds of things that could and would help me control it. There have been long periods in my life where the disorder and it's symptoms have been wholly absent but there have been other times where stress and other health issues have brought it back on, sometimes mildly but sometimes with a vengeance just as fierce as it was all those years ago. My very last bout with it didn't come at a time when I had strayed in my relationship with God. It came at a time where my hunger for Him, His word &His work was greater than it had ever been previously. I was growing in Him and then, WHAM!!, at the age of 50, my disorder came back full force. The difference this time was that I knew it was a disorder and I did everything I could to treat it as such. Consequently the length of time with this last flare was shortened dramatically in comparison to the length of the one when I was 26.
When I was your age I thought I was done and through with my anxiety disorders. That they could never plague me again. I was wrong. That's OK though because in and through it all God's grace has proven to be sufficient for me time and time again.
For some of us OCD may be healed permanently but for many of us the disorder is a chronic one that waxes and wanes just like many other chronic disorders. And chronic disorders do not limit the power of Christ in the lives of His children.
This is my belief.
God Bless,
Mitzi
John Bunyan- quote:
"These things I continually see and feel and am afflicted and oppressed with; (his OCD obsessions),yet the wisdom of God doth order them for my good."

Yes, Pic. it's so hard when the obsession's turn toward these thoughts and images of harming someone you love so much that you would gladly give your life for them. It's agonizing. You just want to unthink the thought. But since we can't do that we have to allow our brains exposure to the thoughts without attending to them. That's where the really hard work comes in because the instinctive response of fight or flight kicks in and makes us feel that we must fight against those thoughts with ever fiber of our being.
I've been through long bouts of this in the past. Only people with OCD can understand how and why we get these things stuck in our heads.
That's why this forum is such a blessing. We come away saying - "I'm not alone, someone else knows and feels my pain and they are praying for me."
Thank you for your courage in sharing about your OCD. God is using you to encourage others.
Mitzi

picassoui said:

for those who have had them i dont need to explain ..recently i had a terrible bout with them because of someone i was befriending , the more focus i placed on the person the thoughts of hurting them or their family occured ..now of i course i would never do any of these things but it makes you fell horrible inside ..

i remember how i could not spend time with my nephew without having thoughts and images of doing horrible things to him and i love that boy dearly

i would never do those things to him ..and it is soo disrupting ..

and when you try to explain this to a family member that uou have these types of thoughts even if you dont mention that they are the subject of these thoughts they begin to THINK and WONDER if they are ..

and then you fear that they are becomming afraid of you ...and that hurts in and of itself ..

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