Are you completely faithful in your marriage?

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But I do conciously try not to entertain thoughts.

Yah, entertaining thoughts is my greatest temptation, and I have failed in this area before, whether it be thoughts of anger or unforgiveness or other sinful, selfish things.

Other than that, yes I have been faithful. I love my husband, he loves me, and we want the very best for each other.
 
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That's great! I think that openness, honesty and trust are important... I think that the first two come before the third....

YOu see, in my marriage, I trust that my husband isn't out to have an affair... he is a moral man, which was a criteria I had before I met him... but the trust isn't completely there, nor the closeness... and the reason? Because there isn't complete honesty... I don't feel like he's 100% honest with me. I thought about this last night when I asked him a question that if he were to answer 100% honestly then he knew it could hurt me. He chose to not be 100% honest with me.... but I think complete honesty needs to be there then all those other things like attraction to another person, inappropriate content, touching yourself can be worked out.

But I also think that integrity in marriage means that you are truly genuine and giving in your marriage, with the right intentions, not just appeasing the person or giving lip service..... YOu can't trust a flattering tongue.

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Why is he viewing inappropriate content and/or masturbating? Is it because he is obsessed with a particular celebrity or is it because he knows you are not willing to be part of the solution and that answering the question honesty will add a emotional fight to the existing problem of a lack of sex or lack of certain sexual activities.

This is something my wife and I have struggled with and when you are in the mans shoes you get very little sympathy which causes the problem to be buried and if you seek counseling for it it can cause strained relationships with friends family etc. When it comes to sexual matters (unless your denying him for weeks at a time) its really easy to spin the issue and get people on your side and make him look like a pervert. These sorts of issues can cause the man to withdraw from the relationship, cause resentment and physical affairs.

I always wonder why women who don't want to be very regularly sexual even get married in the first place
 
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I always wonder why women who don't want to be very regularly sexual even get married in the first place

Not to be harsh, but no wonder so many women think men are perverts. I wonder why a man who puts sex above his spouse would choose to get married in the first place? Shouldn't you be carousing the meat market for one-nighters like the rest of the men who talk the way you just did? In my opinion, if you want a woman who will be ready any time you are then what you want is a harlot, not a wife. I feel sorry for your wife and I haven't even heard her story.

I think you've already received all the "sympathy" you deserve.




Now to answer the question.. Yes, I am faithful.
 
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Not to be harsh, but no wonder so many women think men are perverts. I wonder why a man who puts sex above his spouse would choose to get married in the first place? Shouldn't you be carousing the meat market for one-nighters like the rest of the men who talk the way you just did? In my opinion, if you want a woman who will be ready any time you are then what you want is a harlot, not a wife. I feel sorry for your wife and I haven't even heard her story.

I think you've already received all the "sympathy" you deserve.




Now to answer the question.. Yes, I am faithful.

Thank you for emphasizing my original assertions. The sex is not put above the spouse but sex is a key ingredient in a marriage. What if your husband withdrew emotionally you would be all sorts of upset and feel justified because your needs were not being met. Does that mean you are putting your emotional needs above your husband? Would you go elsewhere to get those emotional needs met with male or female company? Opinions like yours are part of what cause division in church. Burning with passion and expecting that passion to be met in marriage is not a sin and is what the bible says.

You should go back and re-read your post and hopefully you will see the flagrant malice that you posted, this is why people don't want to be apart of churches because of hypocrisies.
 
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Why is he viewing inappropriate content and/or masturbating? Is it because he is obsessed with a particular celebrity or is it because he knows you are not willing to be part of the solution and that answering the question honesty will add a emotional fight to the existing problem of a lack of sex or lack of certain sexual activities.

This is something my wife and I have struggled with and when you are in the mans shoes you get very little sympathy which causes the problem to be buried and if you seek counseling for it it can cause strained relationships with friends family etc. When it comes to sexual matters (unless your denying him for weeks at a time) its really easy to spin the issue and get people on your side and make him look like a pervert. These sorts of issues can cause the man to withdraw from the relationship, cause resentment and physical affairs.

I always wonder why women who don't want to be very regularly sexual even get married in the first place

I totally see what you're saying here.
I wouldn't know why people would get married if they had no intentions on having regular intimacies..
Im my estranged husbands case..he was addicted to inappropriate content..and very emotionally distant..All I wanted was to be intimate with him..I begged, bought books, suggested counseling..but to not avail..
I hated being in a marriage like that...heck..it wasn't even a marriage to me really..especially since my emotional and physical needs were not getting met.
Now to answer the OP
I have not been completely faithful. I have struggles with thoughts and temptations and I don't make excueses for it. But I do work hard to be faithful to myself and what is right for me and what God says I should do.
Its trying when you have been neglected and yeah..pretty much always feeling alone.
 
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I totally see what you're saying here.
I wouldn't know why people would get married if they had no intentions on having regular intimacies..
Im my estranged husbands case..he was addicted to inappropriate content..and very emotionally distant..All I wanted was to be intimate with him..I begged, bought books, suggested counseling..but to not avail..
I hated being in a marriage like that...heck..it wasn't even a marriage to me really..especially since my emotional and physical needs were not getting met.
Now to answer the OP
I have not been completely faithful. I have struggles with thoughts and temptations and I don't make excueses for it. But I do work hard to be faithful to myself and what is right for me and what God says I should do.
Its trying when you have been neglected and yeah..pretty much always feeling alone.

I have heard of this occurring before when my wife and I were going through counseling. If you dont have any sexual hang ups and want various sexual activity regularly then he has no reason to view inappropriate content. Sometimes men can get frustrated if the type of sex is always the same or especially if a favorite sex act is off limits this can lead to an emotional break down of the husband because he has no where else to turn for fulfillment without cheating/divorce/prostitution and none of those are positive things. If you are offering and there are no hang ups to certain activities then you have a right to be upset with him viewing inappropriate content and you are being cheated.
 
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I have heard of this occurring before when my wife and I were going through counseling. If you dont have any sexual hang ups and want various sexual activity regularly then he has no reason to view inappropriate content. Sometimes men can get frustrated if the type of sex is always the same or especially if a favorite sex act is off limits this can lead to an emotional break down of the husband because he has no where else to turn for fulfillment without cheating/divorce/prostitution and none of those are positive things. If you are offering and there are no hang ups to certain activities then you have a right to be upset with him viewing inappropriate content and you are being cheated.


Obviously you couldn't know me so I can only say there was never any hang ups with me. I was always ready and willing. the begging didnt give you a hint:blush:? I was the one always frustrated becuase sex was always the same...at night..in the dark..lights off..half dressed..
I desired more..he did not..<shrugs>
He told me he would be happy having sex about once a month or so and that's all he wanted..He told me that I pressured him into having sex too much..shoot..I would have been happy with once a week the way things were going..but he refused.
I think it was becuase he would rather view inappropriate content and touch than to be with me. Oh he'll tell you it wasnt me..he'll tell you he has always been attracted to me..but..I believe if there is a lack of sex ( unless there is something medical that prevents someone) then there is a lack of love in the marriage.
Tough lesson to learn.
 
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I have heard of this occurring before when my wife and I were going through counseling. If you dont have any sexual hang ups and want various sexual activity regularly then he has no reason to view inappropriate content. Sometimes men can get frustrated if the type of sex is always the same or especially if a favorite sex act is off limits this can lead to an emotional break down of the husband because he has no where else to turn for fulfillment without cheating/divorce/prostitution and none of those are positive things. If you are offering and there are no hang ups to certain activities then you have a right to be upset with him viewing inappropriate content and you are being cheated.


Well, even if she was not always willing that is still not an excuse to view inappropriate content instead. I am not trying to bash your post (I know you said that you heard of this behavior in counseling) but when guys say stuff like "not getting their needs met, she didn't do this so I turned to inappropriate content, etc..." it does make us look like perverts at times. I am not saying this is the case with you of course but too many of us guys seem mastered by our sexual desire and temptations. I have three tours in Iraq and have not looked at inappropriate content, cheated, lusted, whatever. Yes, you can even go very long periods without a "release" when you starve your eyes of more than just inappropriate content. The book "Every Man's Struggle" is a great book to read for guys that need help in this area. Again, I'm not bashing you in particular. Blessings........................SMM
 
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It's NEVER the wife's "fault" when a man strays to inappropriate content. Never. Ever. It's the man's addictions and selfishness. It's incomprehensible to me for a man to blame the innocent party for HIS selfishness. Grow a pair, own up to your failure, and take responsibility for your OWN sin.
 
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I have heard of this occurring before when my wife and I were going through counseling. If you dont have any sexual hang ups and want various sexual activity regularly then he has no reason to view inappropriate content. Sometimes men can get frustrated if the type of sex is always the same or especially if a favorite sex act is off limits this can lead to an emotional break down of the husband because he has no where else to turn for fulfillment without cheating/divorce/prostitution and none of those are positive things. If you are offering and there are no hang ups to certain activities then you have a right to be upset with him viewing inappropriate content and you are being cheated.

"men" aren't the only ones with that issue BTW... Also, BTW... you haven't answered the OP.

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Am I completely faithful...

I think so, as much as is fallibly, humanly possible. I've grown more so over the 5 years we've been married. I have never cheated on my husband, ever, but when I was younger I flirted, and flirted with the idea that I could. That was completely wrong and I have not done that since we've been married.

I tell him the truth about everything, sometimes it's hard and it takes longer than it should - I'm still learning how innately manipulative I can be, especially when I think he won't like what I have to say.

I can't hide anything, he can easily get into any forums I post on, we have one joint bank account/email account. Although sometimes there is the temptation there to try and hide something, but I don't entertain that - by not doing things that need hiding in the first place.
 
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Well, even if she was not always willing that is still not an excuse to view inappropriate content instead. I am not trying to bash your post (I know you said that you heard of this behavior in counseling) but when guys say stuff like "not getting their needs met, she didn't do this so I turned to inappropriate content, etc..." it does make us look like perverts at times. I am not saying this is the case with you of course but too many of us guys seem mastered by our sexual desire and temptations. I have three tours in Iraq and have not looked at inappropriate content, cheated, lusted, whatever. Yes, you can even go very long periods without a "release" when you starve your eyes of more than just inappropriate content. The book "Every Man's Struggle" is a great book to read for guys that need help in this area. Again, I'm not bashing you in particular. Blessings........................SMM

I agree that viewing inappropriate content for whatever reason is the fault of the viewer but the stumbling block is layed if a spouse is refusing and even if inappropriate content is never viewed sexual refusal will create alienation and separation within the marriage because being sexual is an innate human need that is met through marriage. The alienation occures when you are just trying to get through your day without thinking about sex but you live day to day with your spouse you have to engross yourself in something to avoid thinking about it and that alienates your spouse because your not spending time with them and if you think you can sit and watch your spouse walk around the house half naked or take a shower and then not have sex and be able to go about normal activities with her your are delusional and do not live in reality or a eunuch. God made people of all different sex drives and the lower sex drive person should accommodate the high drive person not the other way around, the high drive person suffers when they are denied but the low drive person does not suffer to take care of there spouse. The selfishness lyes with the low drive person who does not take care of there spouse and lets them squirm.
 
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It's NEVER the wife's "fault" when a man strays to inappropriate content. Never. Ever. It's the man's addictions and selfishness. It's incomprehensible to me for a man to blame the innocent party for HIS selfishness. Grow a pair, own up to your failure, and take responsibility for your OWN sin.

This is simply an inflammatory remark. I learned at work when I was frustrated with co workers that you attract more bee's with honey than with vinegar. I don't think anyone was not taking responsibility they were simply expressing the level of frustration a spouse can cause when they throw out stumbling blocks.
 
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"men" aren't the only ones with that issue BTW... Also, BTW... you haven't answered the OP.

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I did answer the OP if you look under my first response. Her underlying frustration was with her husband viewing inappropriate content and masturbating and I told her what I thought.

BTW I am completely faithful to my wife even though it is difficult at times.
 
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I did answer the OP if you look under my first response. Her underlying frustration was with her husband viewing inappropriate content and masturbating and I told her what I thought.

BTW I am completely faithful to my wife even though it is difficult at times.

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I'm the orginal poster and I never asked anything about inappropriate content. But your second comment answers it, though doesn't really elaborate.

The only thing I said about inappropriate content is in response to another lady here who said that her and her husband are completely faithful to eachother and are very open/honest/ and trusting, including an openness about viewing inappropriate content... and I said that it's great that they are so open and trusting with eachother, and that complete honesty has a lot to do with trust.

I'm afraid that you are steering this thread to a topic of inappropriate content and as interesting as that topic may be to you, there are other threads on the topic, it has little to do with the OP... my OP.

Can we please stay on topic...

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Thank you for emphasizing my original assertions. The sex is not put above the spouse but sex is a key ingredient in a marriage. What if your husband withdrew emotionally you would be all sorts of upset and feel justified because your needs were not being met. Does that mean you are putting your emotional needs above your husband? Would you go elsewhere to get those emotional needs met with male or female company? Opinions like yours are part of what cause division in church. Burning with passion and expecting that passion to be met in marriage is not a sin and is what the bible says.

You should go back and re-read your post and hopefully you will see the flagrant malice that you posted, this is why people don't want to be apart of churches because of hypocrisies.


I'll ignore the slander and get right to the meat of the issue.

If you truly meant what you said before, then you are putting sex above your spouse. You said that people who don't want to have regular sex shouldn't get married. Obviously a person who doesn't want sex regularly isn't a person you would want to be married to. But you are married to someone who doesn't want sex regularly. So in effect what you're saying is "I don't enjoy being married to my wife BECAUSE she doesn't want sex regularly". That is putting sex above your spouse. Do you want to put your spouse first? Then forget your needs and stop expecting her to meet them. What do you think she needs right now? Your job in the marriage is to see her needs met, not your own.

If you want to talk biblical, and I'm glad you do, then open one up and see how your attitude compares to the example of Christ. He could have easily demanded his "dues" from the world but instead he made himself a servant and suffered real physical pain for our sake, and he did it while we were still sinners who wanted nothing to do with him. Who does the husband represent in marriage? Christ.

And would you like to know what the real problem is in the church? It's this "me me me" mentality, this sense of entitlement that leads to bickering, unfaithfulness, and divorce. Some people will change the whole theology before they'll let God soften their heart toward their spouse. That's how they come off saying things like this:

Burning with passion and expecting that passion to be met in marriage is not a sin and is what the bible says.
You only seem to be concerned about one person's passion here--yours. Selfishness is a sin. Where in the Bible does God say it's acceptable to grumble and complain about your wife when she doesn't behave exactly the way you want her to, or heck, the way the Bible tells her to? Not only are you to love your wife regardless of her "cooperation" with your needs, but you're supposed to love your worst enemy as well. How can you begin to love your enemy if you speak so badly about your wife? It's no wonder we have the same divorce rates as the rest of the world because a lot of us won't stop thinking like the world. We prefer the narcissistic route.

To answer the personal questions you asked, if my husband were to withdraw emotionally, I would continue to uphold my end of the marriage covenant regardless of any hurt it may cause. And God strike me mute if I complain, because no one owes me anything. I'm not an emotional person to begin with but I find all I need in Christ alone. If you think your wife owes you sex then you've got the same kind of pride issue that turned Lucifer into Satan.. If I point a finger at you then I'll point it at myself too, because I'm quite new to this realization.. But I do have the God-given strength to put it to practice.

If you would just start putting your wife first and put your own desires aside, then after a while she may be more inclined to help you out. I would suggest taking her to see Fireproof and then having a heart-to-heart discussion while it's all still fresh. :)
 
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I'm always more than a little cautious when we start adding modifiers...

"Completely faithful"? I know what faithful is... I've been faithful... but what does it mean to be "completely" faithful? Obviously it must be something different than being faithful or we wouldn't be asked about this as separate classification.

"True Christian" is another one popular on this site... Again, I know what a Christian is, but this special category of "true Christian"... something akin to a "Really-O, Truly-O, little pet dragon." I thought "Christian" covered the classification...

Back to being "completely faithful"... I am of the mind that way to much has been made of 100% openness and 100% sharing within a marriage. If I see an attractive man and make the mistake of dwelling on that thought (Or for those who prefer, more correctly, commit the sin of dwelling on that thought,) my marriage is not strengthened by my sharing this with my husband. Indeed, confessing this would have me only thinking about the guy all the more! Is such a thought a lack of faithfulness? No, I don't think so.
 
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I guess what I meant by being completly faithful is that some people consider "faithful" as not having sex with someone outside of marriage.... however, there are many areas where that person may not be faithful like thinking too much about someone who is not their spouse, wondering what it'd be like to be with them, lusting after another man/woman (whether on t.v. or real life) and so forth.

Maybe you get what it means to be "faithful" without adding the word completely in there, but I believe that that would make it too simple for people to be too simple about it without getting down to the real truth. The word "completely" means something to me, and maybe to others here as well...

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I'll ignore the slander and get right to the meat of the issue.

If you truly meant what you said before, then you are putting sex above your spouse. You said that people who don't want to have regular sex shouldn't get married. Obviously a person who doesn't want sex regularly isn't a person you would want to be married to. But you are married to someone who doesn't want sex regularly. So in effect what you're saying is "I don't enjoy being married to my wife BECAUSE she doesn't want sex regularly". That is putting sex above your spouse. Do you want to put your spouse first? Then forget your needs and stop expecting her to meet them. What do you think she needs right now? Your job in the marriage is to see her needs met, not your own.

If you want to talk biblical, and I'm glad you do, then open one up and see how your attitude compares to the example of Christ. He could have easily demanded his "dues" from the world but instead he made himself a servant and suffered real physical pain for our sake, and he did it while we were still sinners who wanted nothing to do with him. Who does the husband represent in marriage? Christ.

And would you like to know what the real problem is in the church? It's this "me me me" mentality, this sense of entitlement that leads to bickering, unfaithfulness, and divorce. Some people will change the whole theology before they'll let God soften their heart toward their spouse. That's how they come off saying things like this:

You only seem to be concerned about one person's passion here--yours. Selfishness is a sin. Where in the Bible does God say it's acceptable to grumble and complain about your wife when she doesn't behave exactly the way you want her to, or heck, the way the Bible tells her to? Not only are you to love your wife regardless of her "cooperation" with your needs, but you're supposed to love your worst enemy as well. How can you begin to love your enemy if you speak so badly about your wife? It's no wonder we have the same divorce rates as the rest of the world because a lot of us won't stop thinking like the world. We prefer the narcissistic route.

To answer the personal questions you asked, if my husband were to withdraw emotionally, I would continue to uphold my end of the marriage covenant regardless of any hurt it may cause. And God strike me mute if I complain, because no one owes me anything. I'm not an emotional person to begin with but I find all I need in Christ alone. If you think your wife owes you sex then you've got the same kind of pride issue that turned Lucifer into Satan.. If I point a finger at you then I'll point it at myself too, because I'm quite new to this realization.. But I do have the God-given strength to put it to practice.

If you would just start putting your wife first and put your own desires aside, then after a while she may be more inclined to help you out. I would suggest taking her to see Fireproof and then having a heart-to-heart discussion while it's all still fresh. :)

I understand your point, but I also understand the other guy as well. A man and a woman even though they don't have their needs met, should make an effort to love their spouse above themselves and well, not use it as an excuse to be unfaithful. They shouldn't put their needs above their spouse, that would not fulfill the law of love and that is considered selfish and possibly selfish ambition.

That being said we should not put our spouses in that position and as others here have pointed out we should not withhold our bodies from one another. Likewise men and women should not ignore the needs whether emotional or physical of the other person. Even a strong god fearing christian has needs and could waver when rejected over a long period of time. I know this from personal experience as much from common sense. I myself swore that I would NEVER have an affair... and I love God immensly and have been among the most zealous for him... but eventually misery took it's toll and I did. I think I've stuck it out longer in my marriage then most christians would have.

My point being that we shouldn't be judgemental of other people, because we overcome in an area doesn't mean we should take our righteous stick and hit others over the head with it and tell them to do like us. For one thing we really are not in their shoes, we really do not know what their personal needs or struggles are, which believe it or not may be different then ours.

Anyways, I'm sure a lot of people can probably understand where I'm coming from. I know that while I suffered so immensly during the early years of my marriage I began to despise "christians" although I was one. I was soooo alone and depressed and when I reached out to someone just for caring and understanding I was met with cold self righteous careless responses "well, everyone goes through that" (no they don't, few of you have or never will go through what I'm going through.. it's not normal marriage problems).... "well, you should never divorce" (that's easy for YOU to say now that you're divorced and married happily to a man who makes effort and cares about you). I longed to connect with someone I could relate to, because then they might actually be able to help me and truly know what I was going through.... but that wasn't the case, either they weren't married and idealistic, knew the right answers, or they were married and were happy. Like I said, I felt very alone. And even those who couldn't really relate, they'd give me an answer or response that communicated "I really don't CARE or want to CARE... but here's your answer... " and then the subject would be changed to their thoughts and their easy lives.

I guess I learned from my personal experience not to be so judgemental and to truly care and love as the Lord would. Not to just bible thump.

Being a woman who has experienced being turned down sexually by my husband time and time again... I can say I relate with a lot of men in this area... it's more then not getting a physical need met. It's complete rejection... although there's reassurance "it's not you, i'm just not tired" truth is actions speak louder then words and you just cannot help but feel or believe that it's you, they just aren't interested in you, they don't want to connect with you and they deeply dislike you. It eventually leaves you in want and wanting to be "accepted" and even liked even if it's by someone else.

Although I think all marriage partners should take marriage seriously I'm not going to be legalistic about it and say that we just need to ignore our needs and give to the other person. People are not robots. And even the best of you, given the right circumstances, would begin to waver... and I can already here it now "oh, but I WAS in those circumstances but I remained faithful... so there's no excuse heathen"... well, if that's is your response, then I'd say that no, you weren't in the circumstances that would even lead a strong christian to waver. I'd say to you- get off your self righteous soap box and here's your browny pin for faithfulness, congratulations, yay for you.

We need to approach people in a more loving way and not in a self righteous judgmental way, baring eachothers weaknesses and truly helping one another.

I will say that my husband's own insensitivity towards me at times leaves our marriage in a vulnerable position... if I chose to have an affair, would that be his fault? Well no, he's not the one making the decision so in that essence I would not blame him. However he would have some responsibility in the matter.... as much as people may not like to hear that, it's true... every problem in the marriage the other person has atleast some small contribution and to deny that you, me.. the spouse does not have any responsibility then I'd say get out of denial and buck up. That is not true love either. I find it very mature of individuals who are faced with an affair from their spouse and they start taking responsibility for their part in it, though it really isn't their fault. I have a neighbor who has done that..... after her husband had an affair instead of getting a divorce she began to become more attentive of his needs, started to take better care of herself. She would've been in her rights to leave him and we'd all want to say "leave the scumbag" but because she had the grace to approach it in such a mature way, their marriage is great!

I would say that if a woman knowingly rejects her husband in the area of sexual intimacy continuosly and never has sex with him, then she doesn't deserve him... and if a man continually ignores his wife's needs, then he doesn't deserve her either and if an affair occurs, then I say that is a natural consequence to their rejecting behavior.

However I don't think it gives liscence to adultery.

HB
 
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