Is Obama Christian?

Grateful4God · Sep 4, 2008

This is a question on many Christians minds. Is Barack Obama Christian enough? Will he uphold the word of God. In a society where the separation between church and state is now taking on a new meaning, will he be a good representative for the Christian voice. I guess that all depends on your views of what that Christian voice should be. There are many people all over the internet taking aim at the faith of Barack Obama. It is an emotional ploy that swayed the votes of the last two Presidential Elections. Christians proved to have to loudest unified voice in American Politics. Can we truly say we are proud of the choice we made now? Can we say the current administration truly is a voice of God?

Barack Obama openly confesses Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior. He has been very active in his church. While the pastor himself has taken some negative press, Obamas faith in God has never been questioned. When asked he answers with no hesitation "I Believe In Jesus Christ as our Savior". Many question this because of his voting record on Abortion and his stance on Gay Rights. While I support the protection of marriage remaining a Godly institution between a man and a woman, our nation is not about controlling the lives of those who do not agree with us. When you look closely at what John McCain and Barack Obama propose on the topic of Gay Rights, their solutions remain almost identical. They both propose Civil Unions.

Barack Obama has a record of helping those individuals who are less fortunate. In the end, is that not the heart of Jesus Christ? Is being Christian about showing love or condemning those who do not agree with us?
Speaking to a church in New Orleans, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama invoked Jesus' Sermon on the Mount days before the second anniversary of Hurricane Katrina. "Getting ready to talk to you today, I recall what Jesus said at the end of the Sermon on the Mount," Obama said at New Orleans' First Emmanuel Baptist Church. "He said, whoever hears these sayings of mine and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on a rock."
"The rains descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house. But it did not fall, because it was founded on the rock, Something was wrong in America. Our foundation wasn't built on the rock" he said.

Barack urges America to live by Gods Word. However, he does not do so by policy setting and making it law to be Christian. That is not an American Philosophy and it is not a Christian Value. He leads by example, the way Jesus Christ urged us to do. He lives a life a truth. He is a good moral man who is interested in the well being of all people. No matter what social class, religion, race or sex, he is about equality. That is the heart of Jesus.

Barack stands for World Peace and being an example for the world, not a military monster. He believes in using military force as a last option. His goal in not to give in to the demands of Big Oil and those lobbyist who control Washington behind the scenes. He wants to restore this nation to what it once stood for, which is One Nation, Under God.

We are fooled into believing the Right is more Godly than the Left. In the end it is up to us to look at the real character of the individual. I believe when you look closely at Obamas, you will see a man with the heart of Jesus

ItIsMeAgain · Sep 4, 2008

That was an excellent post!

revanneosl · Sep 4, 2008

katherine2001 · Sep 4, 2008

! Personally, I think Obama shows more Christlike qualities than some of those who think they have the right to judge who is Christian and who isn't (that is Christ's job to decide this, not ours), and those who never help anyone, or make a big deal about it than just quietly helping others without saying a thing about it.

Polycarp_fan · Sep 5, 2008

Grateful4God said:
This is a question on many Christians minds. Is Barack Obama Christian enough? Will he uphold the word of God.

No. Democrats in general have shown a contempt for Christianity.

In a society where the separation between church and state is now taking on a new meaning, will he be a good representative for the Christian voice.

No. He is far closer to being a humanist and/or a Marxist in scope than an Evangelical Christian. His views are shaped by a hippy mom and an inner city mentality of his wife.

I guess that all depends on your views of what that Christian voice should be.

Not this: "I don't want them PUNISHED!!! With a BABY!!!!"

That is quite simply one of the most UN-Christ like things ever spoken by any politician in the history of the world. But of course from a person that hails partial birth abortion as just fine.

There are many people all over the internet taking aim at the faith of Barack Obama. It is an emotional ploy that swayed the votes of the last two Presidential Elections. Christians proved to have the loudest unified voice in American Politics. Can we truly say we are proud of the choice we made now? Can we say the current administration truly is a voice of God?

Just as with George Bush, what a person says and what a person does is two different things. The Democrats have been openly hostile to Christians for years, and have acted on it.

Barack Obama openly confesses Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior.

So did the Apostle Peter. And he was wrong on very important things.

He has been very active in his church.

Any smart politician would wrap himself in the Bible to be elected, after witnessing the Evagelical movement in America. The Black Church is a powerful voice. It has entrenched many politicians into Chicago and Illinois politics FOREVER.

While the pastor himself has taken some negative press, Obamas faith in God has never been questioned.

It shouldn't be. That is between God and Barack. What we see of his actions we can judge though.

When asked he answers with no hesitation "I Believe In Jesus Christ as our Savior".

Done deal end of story. Though Jesus had a thing or two to say about that at the end of time.

Many question this because of his voting record on Abortion and his stance on Gay Rights.

Odd to "say" you are a Christian and champion ungodly things.

While I support the protection of marriage remaining a Godly institution between a man and a woman, our nation is not about controlling the lives of those who do not agree with us.

Gay activism is to teach other people's children to accept gay sex and gay culture. This is hardly about just what two adults do. And we all know that. Why do liberals, progressives and leftist democrats think they can fool Evangelical Christians? Virtually all Evagelicals came from a very nasty world of bad behaviors.

When you look closely at what John McCain and Barack Obama propose on the topic of Gay Rights, their solutions remain almost identical. They both propose Civil Unions.

Civil unions are tolerance. Leftists do not like "tolerance." They want absolute rule and authority.

Barack Obama has a record of helping those individuals who are less fortunate.

Have you been to Chicago's south side? It is worse now than ever.

In the end, is that not the heart of Jesus Christ?

I'm just thinking here, but if Obama had a heart for the poor like Mother Theresa did, he would still be in the inner city.

Is being Christian about showing love or condemning those who do not agree with us?

Praying for our enemies and doing good to those that spitefully use us. Do you want that applied to Barack Obama and his leftist followers?

Speaking to a church in New Orleans, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama invoked Jesus' Sermon on the Mount days before the second anniversary of Hurricane Katrina.

"Getting ready to talk to you today, I recall what Jesus said at the end of the Sermon on the Mount," Obama said at New Orleans' First Emmanuel Baptist Church. "He said, whoever hears these sayings of mine and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on a rock."

Satan quoted scripture right to Christ Jesus.

"The rains descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house. But it did not fall, because it was founded on the rock, Something was wrong in America. Our foundation wasn't built on the rock" he said.

No, our house was built by Deists and Humanists and some Christians. And look at it now. Obama is a humanist by word and deed.

Barack urges America to live by Gods Word.

Not in our schools or in ANY public or governmental place. He is after all, a liberal/progressive Democrat.

However, he does not do so by policy setting and making it law to be Christian. That is not an American Philosophy and it is not a Christian Value.

It is at the very heart of "Christian values" to preach the Gospel to convert others to faith in Christ. IF, they refuse to hear it, THEN you are to leave them alone to Christ Jesus on judgment day.

He leads by example, the way Jesus Christ urged us to do.

he leads as an example of a politician. His pick for VP was anything but about "change."

He lives a life a truth. He is a good moral man who is interested in the well being of all people. No matter what social class, religion, race or sex, he is about equality. That is the heart of Jesus.

That is the heart of Jesus. But, how well do you know a junior senator from a very, very politically corrupt state? Anyone can talk like Jesus.

Barack stands for World Peace and being an example for the world, not a military monster.

he preaches socialism. Just a glimpse of the latest socialist leader Hugo Chavez, should send shivers down the back of any Christian, or American that loves freedom.

He believes in using military force as a last option. His goal is not to give in to the demands of Big Oil and those lobbyist who control Washington behind the scenes. He wants to restore this nation to what it once stood for, which is One Nation, Under God.

Not according to his base. His base of leftist socialists wants God as far away from our "nation" as they can get Him. That proof is indisputable. Click on over to the ACLU website.

We are fooled into believing the Right is more Godly than the Left.

maybe or maybe not. On just qbserving behavior, actions and statements. "Thye Left" is almost completely secular humanist.

In the end it is up to us to look at the real character of the individual. I believe when you look closely at Obamas, you will see a man with the heart of Jesus

I see a politician with the heart, mind and goals of a politician.

That is all I am allowed to see, and that is what I see.

Mankin · Sep 5, 2008

Don't insult his mother in that way. She was a much more tolerant and accepting woman than many evagelicals out there.

Good post, though I don't really care that much what religion our candidate is.

Vote for a good leader not a religious leader.

Stinker · Sep 5, 2008

Is Obama Christian?

He might claim the title 'Christian' but by his own mocking of the Bible, reveals that he is not a genuine Christian. One who has truly been spiritually converted (Acts 3:19) or born again (Jn.3:8). When asked if he would use Christian priciples as a guide for Public Policy, he openly mocked all the 20 years of what he was supposed to have learned.

Mankin · Sep 5, 2008

Oh so just because he doesn't follow the "evangelical" intepretation of the Bible, that doesn't make him a genuine Christian. Who are you to judge his Christianity?

BTW even Billy Graham said he thought pagans of old might be in heaven, because they said yes to God in other ways. Just because Barack says some Jews and Muslims will be in heaven doesn't mean he isn't a genuine Christian.

Also, I suggest you take a look at early Christians and see just how diverse they were in doctrine and custom.
BTW, SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. In other words, your religion is your own business. Even Jesus kept out of politics.

Plus, considering that both candidates lie somewhat and both parties perform shady actions, neither could be called a Christian party.

Polycarp_fan · Sep 5, 2008

Mankin said:
Oh so just because he doesn't follow the "evangelical" intepretation of the Bible, that doesn't make him a genuine Christian. Who are you to judge his Christianity?

You can most certainly judge someones "Christianity," you just shouldn't judeg their souls.

BTW even Billy Graham said he thought pagans of old might be in heaven, because they said yes to God in other ways.

He is using the Jesus and Paul formula.

Just because Barack says some Jews and Muslims will be in heaven doesn't mean he isn't a genuine Christian.

All of the first Christians were Jews. Muslims and Christ Jesus are between The Judeg of all the Universe and them.

Also, I suggest you take a look at early Christians and see just how diverse they were in doctrine and custom.

Oh really? let's see:

Acts 2:

37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?"
38Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call."
40With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, "Save yourselves from this corrupt generation." 41Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day. The Fellowship of the Believers

42They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles. 44All the believers were together and had everything in common.

BTW, SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

Can you show us where this is defined and/or written in the Constitution or Declaration of Independence? And, when Jesus was asked about paying taxes and used a Roman coin of that era, he was referencing the inscription on it. It more than likely had written on it: DIVI F PATER PATRIAE, or possibly: “Tiberivs Caesar Divi Avgvsti Filivs Avgvstvs” or “Caesar Augustus Tiberius, son of the Divine Augustus.”

Render to Caesar what is caesar's and to God what is God's. Caesar was not God nor a son of a god. the context of the secular/religious aspect of Christianity is made clear by the actual historical reality of the moment.

In other words, your religion is your own business.

Jesus said this very thing.

Even Jesus kept out of politics.

Jesus was executed as a political criminal. He was executed as an insurrectionist, not as a religious zealot. He was mocked as a religious figure but not executed for violating a religion's code that the Romans cared absolutely nothing about.

Plus, considering that both candidates lie somewhat and both parties perform shady actions, neither could be called a Christian party.

How true. But when a person claims to be a Christian, they should be one as per the Apostolic witness. Remember, Jesus did not write one word in the New Testament, only the disciples and Apostles did.

greenjeans · Sep 6, 2008

while we cannot measure a mans heart when it comes to how Christian some is, only God can. However when it comes to electing of our officials we can discern for ourselves on what they represent by what they have said, or the positions they take and when people are running for an office and take a non Biblical stance then that is all I need to vote. example killing babies that is not in the Bible, the sermon on the mount was not meant for homosexuals , The man you so highly praise stands for these things and more morally bankrupt ideas. The other guy is not much better, in some respects either. This nation should pray to God sincerely before voting.

Grateful4God · Sep 6, 2008

Wow so much fear in some of these replies to me. I have news for you, the evangelicals some of you watch on TV and the ones some of you pay tithes to, are the exact type of people that Jesus criticized in the Bible. They are todays Pharisees.

Grateful4God · Sep 6, 2008

It is my opinion that the Evangelical movement we are witnessing has one main goal, to usher in Armageddon. It is the spirit of the Anti Christ and we were warned of this. This is why the Evangelicals Movement is so far on the right, it is the spirit of Satan Ushering in War with Babylon (Iran).

Polycarp_fan · Sep 6, 2008

Grateful4God said:
It is my opinion that the Evangelical movement we are witnessing has one main goal, to usher in Armageddon. It is the spirit of the Anti Christ and we were warned of this. This is why the Evangelicals Movement is so far on the right, it is the spirit of Satan Ushering in War with Babylon (Iran).

Not a bad way to look at things, but it is the Left that takes over governments and becomes authoritarian totalitarian "governments." Secular Humanists are far more likely to be the ones demanding a "mark of the beast" style identification to manage and regulate everyone and everything.

If anything represents "The Beast," it is the lascivious licentiousness and forced "socialism," that literally IS The Left.

Once you champion the slaughter of the unborn and the forced indoctrination of youth into a secular atheistic society (The Left's vision of everything), you have hell on earth in a real form.

Polycarp_fan · Sep 6, 2008

Grateful4God said:
Wow so much fear in some of these replies to me. I have news for you, the evangelicals some of you watch on TV and the ones some of you pay tithes to, are the exact type of people that Jesus criticized in the Bible. They are todays Pharisees.

And how do YOU know this about the TV-kind of Christian and a pastoral staff?

Because you listen to what they say, how they say it, and what they DO!!!

"I don't want them PUNISHED!!! With a BABY!!!!"

And then, if the person saying that goes and proves that they really mean that, by voting for abortion on demand over and over again, you can "judge" them by it.

And of course, many of those "TV Evangelicals," are going to the world's most destitute places and the world's poorest peoples and feeding them, healing them, clothing them and preaching the Gospel by example to them.

Socialists take money from everyone by force, and use it exclusively on spreading socialism.

And socialism, are a system of political beliefs that have been proven to promote the most heinous crimes in all of human history.

Maverick3000 · Sep 6, 2008

Polycarp_fan said:
Not a bad way to look at things, but it is the Left that takes over governments and becomes authoritarian totalitarian "governments."

It depends. There are right wing authoritarians and there are left-wing authoritarians. Many leftists now are generally anti-govermnent and can be described as minarchists. Heck, left-wingers are not always even Secular, and many of the most famous Socialists in history where very religious.

I don't know why this is even a debate though, considering Obama is a standard centrist Democrat and most left-wingers look at him with a "meh" at most.

ANM29 · Sep 6, 2008

Why do people want to have things both ways in the government? On one hand, they know that the government is not a Christian Theocracy, and never can be..Because it would then violate the civil rights of others who are not Christian..Which is a form of Communism.

I mean, really...I'm tired of people expecting these Presidents to be Christians to rule the White House and stop the world 'sinning' or something... and at the same time knowing that that is not how this country works...

It is the job of God to change people hearts, the government can't do that.

ergh!

Atlantians · Sep 6, 2008

katherine2001 said:
! Personally, I think Obama shows more Christlike qualities than some of those who think they have the right to judge who is Christian and who isn't (that is Christ's job to decide this, not ours), and those who never help anyone, or make a big deal about it than just quietly helping others without saying a thing about it.

Jesus tells us to not Judge by appearances but to make a right judgment.
He also says we will know them by their fruit.
James says that works are the logical result of true faith.

So yes, we can to a high degree of accuracy discern who may or may not be a Christian, when we are familiar with them and make a right judgement.

Atlantians · Sep 6, 2008

First let me say I am:

A Christian, Human, Conservative, American, Independent.

In that order. I am not a Republican.

Grateful4God said:
This is a question on many Christians minds. Is Barack Obama Christian enough?

He is not a Christian.

There are many people all over the internet taking aim at the faith of Barack Obama. It is an emotional ploy that swayed the votes of the last two Presidential Elections. Christians proved to have to loudest unified voice in American Politics. Can we truly say we are proud of the choice we made now? Can we say the current administration truly is a voice of God?

So you are not asking a question, you are telling us what we should think about him.

Questioning his faith is not a genuine concern about his views, its an emotional ploy.
According to the left who say that all subjects are off limits when talking about Obama.

Barack Obama openly confesses Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior.

Yet questions whether or not his sins are forgiven.
He also denies the sufficiency of scripture, and was part of a denomination that runs hospitals which provide abortions.
He also was/is part of a theology that is wholly unlike Biblical Christianity.

He has been very active in his church.

Mormons are active in their Church, so are Jehovah's Witnesses, and Universalists.

While the pastor himself has taken some negative press,

The guy accused the American Government for inventing the HIV virus in an effort to commit genocide. Negative press indeed.

He also preaches the Black liberation theology, and claims that Jesus was a black man from Palestine.

Jesus was a Palestinian Jew... though I suppose he wouldn't care considering the fact that he gave a life achievement award to the anti-Semite Loise Farrakhan.

Obamas faith in God has never been questioned. I question its
When asked he answers with no hesitation "I Believe In Jesus Christ as our Savior".

Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses say the same thing.
Doesn't make you a Christian when you are calling upon the name of the wrong Jesus.

Many question this because of his voting record on Abortion...

He voted against the Louisiana bill that would have granted human rights and protection under the law to Children who survive live-birth abortion- that is induced premature birth controlled to hopefully kill the child in the process.

Children were surviving the abortion procedure.

He voted against the first draft of the Bill claiming that it would possibly allow for Roe V. Wade to be overturned.

The Federal Bill was being debated.

He suggested alterations to the Luissiana bill to make it "Roe nuetral".

He voted No on it after all the considerations were made and the Bill was virtually identical to the Federal Bill.

In 2004 he said that he would have voted for the text of the Federal Bill.
He voted against the same Bill in Lousiana. He lied.

He has a 100% rating from NARAL.
He has voted against abortion related issues that NARAL has gone NUETRAL on!!!!

The man is more liberal and pro-abortion than the national organization dedicated to abortion rights!

That is NOT a Godly characteristic.

How dare you defend him in Gods name as you do.
How dare you.

and his stance on Gay Rights. While I support the protection of marriage remaining a Godly institution between a man and a woman, our nation is not about controlling the lives of those who do not agree with us. When you look closely at what John McCain and Barack Obama propose on the topic of Gay Rights, their solutions remain almost identical. They both propose Civil Unions.

He will put Judges on the Bench who are terribly liberal and will grant marriage to gays in spite of the will of the populace of the US.

McCain won't.

Case closed on that issue.

Barack Obama has a record of helping those individuals who are less fortunate.

He certainly does not care about helping the less fortunate innocent human babies he supports the mass murder of.

Speaking to a church in New Orleans, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama invoked Jesus' Sermon on the Mount days before the second anniversary of Hurricane Katrina. "Getting ready to talk to you today, I recall what Jesus said at the end of the Sermon on the Mount," Obama said at New Orleans' First Emmanuel Baptist Church. "He said, whoever hears these sayings of mine and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on a rock."
"The rains descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house. But it did not fall, because it was founded on the rock, Something was wrong in America. Our foundation wasn't built on the rock" he said.

That is a total and utter misquotation and misapplication of the verse.
He was not saying that America was not built on Jesus when you read that in context.

He is a good moral man who is interested in the well being of all people.

Except babies.

No matter what social class, religion, race or sex, he is about equality.

Again, except babies.

That is the heart of Jesus.

And the heart of Jesus was saving the sinner, not making everyone's lives happy and prosperous.

Barack stands for World Peace and being an example for the world, not a military monster. He believes in using military force as a last option.

His goal in not to give in to the demands of Big Oil and those lobbyist who control Washington behind the scenes.

He was utterly in bed with the corrupt Chicago system to the point where he maneuvered money into His church and had that whole Rezco scandal.

He also has ZERO

He wants to restore this nation to what it once stood for, which is One Nation, Under God.

We are fooled into believing the Right is more Godly than the Left.

I don't care about the right or the left.

The Democratic party is overrun with false Christianity.

I will never EVER say that a person who is pro-choice is a Godly believer in Jesus Christ.

Allowing the mass murder of human beings is evil, and it is the left who supports it.

I believe when you look closely at Obamas, you will see a man with the heart of Jesus

When I look closely at Obama, I see a man who is a hyper-liberal ideologue who will bring more of the same old liberal policies, supports abortion on demand, and will do nothing but harm to this nation and its moral standing.

Maverick3000 said:
It depends. There are right wing authoritarians and there are left-wing authoritarians. Many leftists now are generally anti-govermnent and can be described as minarchists. Heck, left-wingers are not always even Secular, and many of the most famous Socialists in history where very religious.

Mao? Pol pot? Marx? Stalin Lenin?

They were all Atheists.

And even Naziism was a liberal philosophy.

I don't know why this is even a debate though, considering Obama is a standard centrist Democrat and most left-wingers look at him with a "meh" at most.

He is the moist liberal US senetor. He is NOT a centrist. If you think he is centrist, you

Ringo84 · Sep 6, 2008

For those who think that Obama isn't a Christian, I'd love to see you try to prove that.

Have we forgotten that there is to be no religious test for public office?
Ringo

Atlantians · Sep 6, 2008

Grateful4God said:
It is my opinion that the Evangelical movement we are witnessing has one main goal, to usher in Armageddon. It is the spirit of the Anti Christ and we were warned of this. This is why the Evangelicals Movement is so far on the right, it is the spirit of Satan Ushering in War with Babylon (Iran).

Your opinion = bubcus.

Have an actual factual basis for these accusations?

Grateful4God said:
Wow so much fear in some of these replies to me.

Factually based disagreement with Liberal ideas = Fear, Intolerance, Bigotry in the Liberal dictionary.

I have news for you, the evangelicals some of you watch on TV and the ones some of you pay tithes to, are the exact type of people that Jesus criticized in the Bible. They are todays Pharisees.

I don't watch Evangelicals on TV.

And, ironically, the sin of the Pharisees was stating God and proclaiming God with their mouths while in their hearts sinning and practicing evil.

They appeared to be pristine irreproachable men of God, yet were evil in their hearts. They were actors, fakes, hypocrites, people who had a form ofg Godliness but denied its power.

Oddly, it is the Democrats, Obama, and the other "Christians" who support gay activism, abortion, and other such ideals that sound the most Pharisaical.

Ringo84 said:
For those who think that Obama isn't a Christian, I'd love to see you try to prove that.

He has attended a black liberation theology Church for 20 years.

He is virally pro-abortion to the point of being LEFT of NARAL!

He dismissed the ban on homosexual activity in Romans by saying that he would rather rely on the Gospels than some "obscure passage in Romans"- this demonstrates he has no love of scripture and od's word and thus has no interest in abiding by what he may dislike. He picks and choses that which he adheres to without basis.
He views an unplanned pregnancy, a new human life, as a punishment.

That is all very indicative of a false faith.

Have we forgotten that there is to be no religious test for public office?

I am not voting for him because he is virally pro-choice, hyper liberal, and pro-gay activists.

His religion has nothing to do with it.

You seem to be forgetting that the liberal pro-Obama OP is the one who brought up Obama's "Christianity".

Is Obama Christian?

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