Predictions of Creationism

1a. The Earth is only 6000 years old.
Prediction: There would be no evidence of any natural, time dependent process operating more than 6000 years ago. (e.g., erosion, plate tectonics, volcanic eruptions, precipitation deposits such as ice cores, etc.)

BananaSlug said:

3. Things that are similar in design share similar DNA.
Prediction: Whales should be most closely related to fish, crocodilians should be most closely related to lizards.

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Since whales are mammals, I would say your prediction should be that some of their DNA should most closely match those of seals, sealions and walruses, while others matched fast moving fish.

You title might be better if it said YEC rather than just creationism.

If a global flood was true, we would see a genetic bottleneck in all species at the same time.

If each "kind" was a unique creation---not dependent on any evolutionary factors---they would be completely independent of all other kinds. There would be no reason for the crocodile kind to have any shared DNA with the alligator kind. Just as a painted picture of a crocodile has no intrinsic connection to a painted picture of an alligator, it's simply a matter of assigning the paint to the canvas in a different manner---I could just as well have assigned the paint to depict a Boeing 707---God should have been able to simply assign the same DNA factors to a different job depending on what he wanted for a final result.

Why go to the trouble of making a specific DNA factor, such as #G-17758258, which necessarily gives rise to five toes on both crocodiles and alligators, when all god need have done is to assign whatever toe-number factor he wanted to a crocodile and whatever toe-number factor he wanted to the alligator? There is no reason that #G-17758258 has to do the same thing in both creatures, but it does. If god thought, "Hmmm . . . I think I'll make this crocodile animal," all he needed to do was to make sure that the specific genes he assigned to the animal did certain things:. Gene 1234 produced X. Gene 1235 produced Y, and Gene 1236 produced Z. Then, when deciding to make a slightly different creature, the alligator for instance, he could just as well have decided that Gene 1234 would produce Y. Gene 1235 would produce Z, and Gene 1236 would produce X. Why go to the bother making sure each gene only did a certain thing when all that is needed is to assign job X to whatever gene he wanted?

You assign the paint to whatever you want it to do. You don't say, "I need this particular paint, and only this particular paint, to draw toes."
Specific gene function speaks far louder to a common connection (the result of evolution) than it does to independent creation, the claim of creationists. Independent creation has no need for the shared genes we see in similar organisms. God should be able to make any gene do anything he wants it to, regardless of what it does in any other organism.

4: The entire universe was created 6000 years ago.
Prediction: There should be no evidence of any other objects in the universe farther than 6000 light years away.

5. Every living being was created instantly and in a separate act.
Prediction: Every lineage should be traceable back to the point of creation directly, in a straight line, without there being any related lineages or shared features across lineages.
Prediction: Changes in life form lineages should not be observable beyond 6000 years ago.

BananaSlug said:

Can anybody else think of any predictions that we could test in order to find out if Creationism was true?

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Yes --- science should be tested to see if any facts get updated over the years (e.g. the speed of light, the number of elements on the Periodic Table, the number of planets in our solar system). If the facts are constantly being updated, then I submit that it is only a matter of time before someone "discovers" that Creationism is true.

AV1611VET said:

Yes --- science should be tested to see if any facts get updated over the years (e.g. the speed of light, the number of elements on the Periodic Table, the number of planets in our solar system). If the facts are constantly being updated, then I submit that it is only a matter of time before someone "discovers" that Creationism is true.

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Speed of light- better instruments.

More elements on the periodic table- more elements discovered. No one ever said that the periodic table was complete.

Number of planets in the solar system- the definition of "planet" was finally nailed down. Pluto is still in the sky, and is still the same rock that it was 100 years ago.

Seriously, get some new material.

AV1611VET said:

Yes --- science should be tested to see if any facts get updated over the years (e.g. the speed of light, the number of elements on the Periodic Table, the number of planets in our solar system). If the facts are constantly being updated, then I submit that it is only a matter of time before someone "discovers" that Creationism is true.

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Do you ever learn anything new? I mean... ever?

While you're talking about whales, porpoises, sea lions, and so forth, consider that God wouldn't design such animals as a special creation. Why design an animal to live in salt water that can't breathe salt water? It only makes sense if they are the result of an evolutionary process.

AV1611VET said:

Yes --- science should be tested to see if any facts get updated over the years (e.g. the speed of light, the number of elements on the Periodic Table, the number of planets in our solar system). If the facts are constantly being updated, then I submit that it is only a matter of time before someone "discovers" that Creationism is true.

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And if the facts are constantly being updated over time, I submit that it is only a matter of time before someone "discovers" God is evil, and Satan actually liberated us from slavery.

Well... I know you disagree, but isn't our logic very similar?

BananaSlug said:

How about you add something useful to the thread and make a prediction about what scientists would find if Creationism were true?

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The universe expanding.

Dale said:

While you're talking about whales, porpoises, sea lions, and so forth, consider that God wouldn't design such animals as a special creation. Why design an animal to live in salt water that can't breathe salt water? It only makes sense if they are the result of an evolutionary process.

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Why design man, who is destined to live w/o the sun?

Revelation 21:23 said:

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

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AV1611VET said:

The universe expanding.

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Really, and there’s me thinking god had created a perfect universe, it seem gods work is not yet done, I wonder what it will look like when it’s finished.

I suspect an empty vacuum with very defuse energy and even more defuse matter.

ChordatesLegacy said:

Really, and there’s me thinking god had created a perfect universe, it seem gods work is not yet done, I wonder what it will look like when it’s finished.

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New ---

Revelation 21:1 said:

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

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AV1611VET said:

The universe expanding.

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show me one literally source that appears before science that shows people interpreted the bible to mean the universe was expanding? otherwise stop spreading lies and making false statements you wish to be true.