what is your point to post this? This is our Church and you know it.. You had no business to take our church and make it to a mosque...Futhermore why is it here? to show what? How great of a dominant religion is Islam??
How many Christians martyrs died under Islam?
countless...
How can anyone talk about islam be a religion of peace....?
okay. that is cool.. so there is some flexibility to that "cleansing" ritual. Mind you that you should always take a shower though.... no substitute for a shower... Do they do this every time they pray that is five times a day?
Yea I knew that... You just ignored my question though. I don't consider Quran holy, because its holiness is a claim, so as many else...
Could you provide some source that the Qu'ran was written by Satan? Firstly, (assuming Satan even exist) why would he write a holy book in the first place?
To me, the Qu'ran was written by man, just like the Bible, and people just claim it was revealed by God. Without no real way of knowing.
And why didn't we imitate this man's ability to write something like the Holy Books? Why it is impossible?
And why are the Holy Books so special? Beside the fact that they are sent as an inspiration by the Creator to prophets, they are not sent down as books to hold in hands except the for Moses when the Creator sent him the Ark of Covenant:
Now, Holy Books are to enlight our brains and to make personalities able to live in peace and love.
Think about it. What did humans do to humanity?
Why they weren't stopped by their humanish nature from killing sacred souls that the Creator forbids us from killing?
It is because they lost the track of the Creator and followed the track of the devil who will be so pleased to drink blood from those who were killed.
The devil lives on our tragedy, with our peace and love, he will find somewhere else to mislead people in.
If someone's going to indicate that Satan has written a holy book, I'd like to know why they'd believe Satan would choose to write a holy book.
The issue with holy books in the first place is they are written by people. People are flawed, why would an all powerful being rely on a book as one way of communicating with man, knowing that mankind is inherently flawed?
what is your point to post this? This is our Church and you know it.. You had no business to take our church and make it to a mosque...Futhermore why is it here? to show what? How great of a dominant religion is Islam??
How many Christians martyrs died under Islam?
countless...
How can anyone talk about islam be a religion of peace....?
Sorry to snick in ...but what do you do with people who have sinus problems and cannot use water daily up their nose...as it can aggrivate their sensitive sinus and ph ballance... Can they skip it?
May I sak you to take that helmet and the detecting glasses off.
You are with people who are trying to make peace and you are ready for a fight?
Take that off to breath properly the air that the Creator created for us to inhale instead of suffocating ourselves with things that we made by our own hands thinking that they are there to protect us.
But from what? If we reach the point of accepting each other as we are then there will be no need for helmets to wear or sun glasses to hide behind.
Allah/God/YHWH say:
18. "And the places of worship are for Allah (alone): So invoke not any one along with Allah.
You are taking this very literally. Never said Satan wrote a "holy" book. It should be known that Christians don't suggest that Satan had sat down and wrote a book and delivered it, theologically it goes deeper than that. Main argument is the influence. Again, Christians, using our own doctrine can explain why we don't believe that Quran is not of God. However, I don't seem to think there is enough justification why I should expound on this to people who don't believe Satan exists. But why a "holy" book while there was already a holy book? To deviate from one to another. Hope that clarifies....
Pondering upon that, you will find Jesus Christ, the Uncreated Light
I understand what you're saying here. I can see why Christians don't believe in the Qu'ran. It seems you're saying (based on your criteria whatever that may be) that you have concluded the Qu'ran is not of God. What criteria do you go by to label something as being not of God?
And you're also saying the Qu'ran was influenced by Satan, I'm very curious as to why you believe this.
Are you pondering upon why God would rely on flawed creatures to communicate his word? And am I supposed to be looking for Jesus Christ?
Since when God cared about my snot when I stood before him with a dirty heart? These show-off rituals are not the works of heart but it is the make believe, feel good practices that are prescribed for no apparent reason. I am clean because it comes from the heart, not because I am told it is the way how God likes it. God knows my best cleanliness is not worth looking down from His kingdom...
I'm not a Muslim but there are some good English translations of the Qur'an... such as the A. Yusuf Ali translation and it is available through Amazon.
Also most Islamic Centers have give away editions and I think there may be some that are free over the internet...
I like the A Yusuf Ali.. but there are many others such as by Allamah Nooruddin is quite modern in explanation. The translation by Muhammad Asad is very good and scholarly if you like that.
The traditional version in English is by George Sale and it has some appendices/notes that are quite prejudiced but the text for it's age is often cited in older books.
- Art
If you are not a Muslim and you know nothing about the Holy Quran, why did you recommend Abdullah Yusuf Ali in particular for others to buy as the best translations for the Holy Quran.
His translations are full of mistakes. In the thread I am going to put, you will know why his translation is full of mistakes.
Non Muslims shouldn't give any advises in behalf of Muslims. OK
Mind your own Baha'i belief, if you please!
Amen to that, Bushmaster. Those type of things are superficial and external. Who cares if I could pray 5 times per day if my heart is filthy. Islam doesn't seem to understand this. It sees rituals and sets out to practice them. The rituals make them feel righteous.
I also recommend Thomas Cleary's translation for an English reader, some translations (like Pickthall's) are KJV-like and could cause confusion. Apparently it's very accurate (I wouldn't know of course, can't read Arabic) but certainly it reads nicely.If one is in the United States, they can obtain a beautiful Qur'an translation for the cost of shipping from CAIR (braces for the accusations that CAIR is evil). I own this translation, and it's one of my favorites. It has excellent footnotes that survey a wide variety of quranic commentary. On occasion, the translator's conclusions aren't quite the norm, but the positives far outweigh the negatives.
However, I should note that when I read the Qur'an in translation, I usually do so with several translations in front of me. If one translation doesn't capture the totality of the meaning of a particular word or verse, usually several together provide a better meaning. I usually have the Muhammad Asad one I mentioned above, as well as saheeh international and Thomas Cleary. The former is more in a quasi old english with thees and thous, where as the latter two are more modern english. Saheeh International is a pretty run of the mill, middle of the road translation. Thomas Cleary does things a bit differently, which I find interesting and refreshing.
Very simple, Christ says so. If you noticed, I am not spoon-feeding the answers to you, but rather willing to see if you are going to do your own research.
Arrogance is unnecessary. Christians believe that His Word took human Flesh and was not corrupt. God do not rely on men, therefore He took care of the issue of salvation of men by Himself.
If you are not a Muslim and you know nothing about the Holy Quran, why did you recommend Abdullah Yusuf Ali in particular for others to buy as the best translations for the Holy Quran.
His translations are full of mistakes. In the thread I am going to put, you will know why his translation is full of mistakes.
Non Muslims shouldn't give any advises in behalf of Muslims. OK
Mind your own Baha'i belief, if you please!