Icon of the Church (or How to Make Michael Want to Claw Out His Eyes)

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Stunning icon Nutroll! Having recently finished an icon of the Resurrection I know what you mean about clawing your eyes out!:p

Thanks! The details really can take their toll on the eyes and the hands. Several years ago I painted something really, really detailed, and when I called the person who had commissioned it (who was a member of my sister's parish) to tell him that it was finished, he asked me how it looked. I told him that it looked great, and then joked that it was making me go blind. A couple weeks later, my sister called me and asked me if I was going blind. I told her that my ability to see fine details was not what it used to be, but that I still had my sight, and she told me that she had had several people come up to her during coffee hour to tell her what a shame it was that I was going blind. She was fairly certain that I would have let her know before I told everyone else. That was an early lesson for me that some people take jokes a little too literally and that I have to be careful what I say.
 
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Thanks! The details really can take their toll on the eyes and the hands. Several years ago I painted something really, really detailed, and when I called the person who had commissioned it (who was a member of my sister's parish) to tell him that it was finished, he asked me how it looked. I told him that it looked great, and then joked that it was making me go blind. A couple weeks later, my sister called me and asked me if I was going blind. I told her that my ability to see fine details was not what it used to be, but that I still had my sight, and she told me that she had had several people come up to her during coffee hour to tell her what a shame it was that I was going blind. She was fairly certain that I would have let her know before I told everyone else. That was an early lesson for me that some people take jokes a little too literally and that I have to be careful what I say.

I've been in nearly the same situation, where people take me a bit too literally when I tell them I'm going blind from painting details:D. It seems we iconographers regularly need to call upon the intercessions of St Paraskevi and St Luke of Simferopol to keep our eyes in working order! All the fun is in the details though:)
 
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Thanks! The details really can take their toll on the eyes and the hands. Several years ago I painted something really, really detailed, and when I called the person who had commissioned it (who was a member of my sister's parish) to tell him that it was finished, he asked me how it looked. I told him that it looked great, and then joked that it was making me go blind. A couple weeks later, my sister called me and asked me if I was going blind. I told her that my ability to see fine details was not what it used to be, but that I still had my sight, and she told me that she had had several people come up to her during coffee hour to tell her what a shame it was that I was going blind. She was fairly certain that I would have let her know before I told everyone else. That was an early lesson for me that some people take jokes a little too literally and that I have to be careful what I say.

It is funny you said that because I was going to ask how your hand felt after painting that icon in the size you did.
 
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This icon was a commission that I finished recently. It is an icon that represents the Church, with Christ at the rudder of the Church. Most of it was taken from a drawing in the Pedalion (Rudder) which is the book of canon law. The priest who had commissioned it asked for St. Nicodemus of the Holy Mountain to be put on the boat, as he is the author of the Pedalion. So St. Nicodemus is sitting at the front of the boat holding a copy of the book.

I always loved that drawing. I wish I could get a copy of it to hang on my wall. Anyway, very nice work on your icon. Go St. Nicodemus!
 
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Thanks everybody. I am planning on having prints for sale, but I'm not happy with the photograph, so I think I'll try again tomorrow. I'll be sure to post a link to where the prints will be for sale.
Fantastic! I'd love to have that beautiful icon!
 
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How does an icon get copied from the original to another hard surface?

I am not sure what you are asking here. How does an icon get copied in color? Or how does the iconographer make a line drawing of an icon?
 
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No no, say this icon is complete and written on wood right? How does it get copied to another wood canvas, not postcard or anything... That is why I wanted to use "hard surface" rather than paper, cardboard, etc...
 
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Once an icon is completed, it can be photographed and then the photograph is affixed to a piece of wood with some sort of glue. Then layers of varnish are usually added to give a smooth finish and to protect the photograph. Most iconographers I know do at least some of this, but usually shy away from it as it requires time, materials, and space that are better used for working on hand-painted icons. I usually only mount icons when I have several orders, or right before going to a show or a festival.
 
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No no, say this icon is complete and written on wood right? How does it get copied to another wood canvas, not postcard or anything... That is why I wanted to use "hard surface" rather than paper, cardboard, etc...

I am still not sure what you are asking. If you want to make a copy and mount it to a hard surface there are many ways to do that. If you want it directly on that hard surface the only way I know how to do that is have the iconographer who made it write another copy of the icon for you.
 
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why is it called icon writing and not painting?

A mistranslation from Greek. Some folks have read a "special meaning" into saying writing rather than painting, but saying "paint an icon" is totally correct, whereas saying "write an icon" is not somehow "more correct", it just flushes out armchair linguists by making them cringe.
 
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Well I made a couple small changes from what I posted the other day, and got a photograph that I'm a little happier with, so for those who asked about prints, I now have a small Prayer Card (4.25" x 5.6") as well as a larger 11" x 11" print available on my zazzle site.

If anyone is really interested in having a mounted print, I can order in some prints and mount them, but I would want to have an idea of how many and what size I would need to make before I order anything. It would also be a while before I would get the prints and have them mounted.
 
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Well I made a couple small changes from what I posted the other day, and got a photograph that I'm a little happier with, so for those who asked about prints, I now have a small Prayer Card (4.25" x 5.6") as well as a larger 11" x 11" print available on my zazzle site.

If anyone is really interested in having a mounted print, I can order in some prints and mount them, but I would want to have an idea of how many and what size I would need to make before I order anything. It would also be a while before I would get the prints and have them mounted.
Wow, that is so awesome! Please keep it available, and I will try to order one next payday. I have a feeling that our bookstore may want to order some, too.
 
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A mistranslation from Greek. Some folks have read a "special meaning" into saying writing rather than painting, but saying "paint an icon" is totally correct, whereas saying "write an icon" is not somehow "more correct", it just flushes out armchair linguists by making them cringe.

Well it gives it a special meaning for some, but you are completely correct. It's actually just literally translating from Greek which does no good for anyone. Anything with the suffic "graph "also comes from the same root as the word "to write" Photograph, Lithograph, telegraph, Phonograph. However you don't say I write a Photograph now do you.
 
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Sts. Peter and Paul are the men with the anchor.

Michael was correct about the two men with the anchor. They are indeed Peter and Paul, and they are holding an anchor with three points symbolizing the Trinity. The icon that I used as a prototype wasn't very clear as to who the figures were. In the front row, the saints looked like St. Andrew, St. James the Lesser, St. Matthew, and St. John, so that is who I made them into... The bishops in the back were even less clear as to who they were, but in my head the one farthest in the back behind the stand with the gospel is St. James the Brother of our Lord. I could easily find specific saints to associate each of them with based on their appearance, but I actually think they are supposed to be more symbolic of all the Holy Bishops of the Church rather than being specific saints. I did see another example of this icon that supposedly had the three great hierarchs, Basil, John Chrysostom, and Gregory, but in the one I was using as a prototype, these saints didn't look like them. Ultimately I thought it better to adhere to the prototype than to choose saints that I thought would symbolize certain things. But I do think The three Great Hierarchs and St. Gregory Palamas would have been really nice in there. I also think it would be nice to have Bishops from several different time periods, right up to modern day Saints.

Thanks for the response brothers. I really do like the idea of Church as a ship. About the Saints on the Icon - I too like the idea of various periods Saints...just, you would have to write much larger ship (and Icon) in order to place all who deserve such an Icon.

God helps
 
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Well I made a couple small changes from what I posted the other day, and got a photograph that I'm a little happier with, so for those who asked about prints, I now have a small Prayer Card (4.25" x 5.6") as well as a larger 11" x 11" print available on my zazzle site.

If anyone is really interested in having a mounted print, I can order in some prints and mount them, but I would want to have an idea of how many and what size I would need to make before I order anything. It would also be a while before I would get the prints and have them mounted.

You understood what I was trying to ask, my darn English! So it is called mounting... You write an icon, then take a photo of it and mount it on a different piece of wood of desired size.

We would like to have one please.
 
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A mistranslation from Greek. Some folks have read a "special meaning" into saying writing rather than painting, but saying "paint an icon" is totally correct, whereas saying "write an icon" is not somehow "more correct", it just flushes out armchair linguists by making them cringe.

Not exactly. While it is a translational issue, there is also the element of the icon which is the teaching element. Yes, the teaching element of the icon is second to the prayer element, but it is still very important. The icon is theology in color, a solid teaching tool of the icon. Thus when the iconographer is writing the icon, he is first writing a prayer, but second he is writing a lesson of faith and theology. Thus the term writing is proper from that point of view as well. Do I still call it painting? Yes I do, because the action that I am taking part in is painting. But am I writing an icon when I am in the process of painting it? Yes I am for the reasons mentioned above.
 
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