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Gen 6:4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.



Jud 1:6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.



Jude quotes Enoch word for word. Jude trusted Enoch or else he would not have quoted it word for word. Jude says angels were chained until Judgment Day. Where do you think he got that idea?

"[Chapter 6]

1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto 2 them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men 3 and beget us children.' And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not 4 indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations 5 not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves 6 by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn 7 and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal, 8 Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaqiel, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens.
[Chapter 7] 1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms 2 and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they 3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed 4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against 5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and 6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones."

http://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/enoch/ENOCH_1.HTM


As Jude states, the angels were punished, bound in a place of darkness until Judgment Day. He KNEW that because HE KNEW what Enoch 1 says.
As I thought, you must go outside the Bible to prove your belief, anyone else want to use actual biblical scripture to show me where the ''BIBLE'' says that angels mated with women.

By the way Jude verse 6 says nothing about mating with women or having children.
 
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As I thought, you must go outside the Bible to prove your belief, anyone else want to use actual biblical scripture to show me where the ''BIBLE'' says that angels mated with women.

By the way Jude verse 6 says nothing about mating with women or having children.

Gen 6:2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
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Gen 6:4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.







Ok, then, now that I've showed you what Genesis says on the matter, tell me how Jude could possibly KNOW that there are angels being held in chains of darkness awaiting Judgment Day???....seeing as how he quotes Enoch, word for word, and all.

Where in the Bible is it written that angels did the following?

Jud 1:6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


How could Jude possibly KNOW about that?

Right here:

"And the Lord said unto Michael: 'Go, bind Semjaza and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves 12 with them in all their uncleanness. And when their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgement and of their consummation, till the judgement that is 13 for ever and ever is consummated. "

and here:

"Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children 4 of earth, and begotten giants (as your) sons? And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten (children) with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die 5 and perish. Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget 6 children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were formerly 7 spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling"
 
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Give me one verse in the bible that says that angels had relations with humans.

Jude refers to the saga outlined in the Book of Enoch. When Jude talks of angels in chains, Jude is not referring to anything you can find in a 66-book Bible.

2 Peter 2 also refers to the saga outlined in the Book of Enoch.

Enoch was known and widely read in the 1st century and Jude and Peter are referring to its contents.

John in the Book of Revelation speaks of the Abyss which is detailed in the Book of Enoch and speaks of unclean spirits and evil angels being loosed from it in the last days.
 
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Genesis 6 has nothing to do with eschatology and the belief that angels inerbred with humans is absurd.
If you realy want some weird stuff then read the OT and how both men and women were having sex with animals.

Could you imagine saying to your wife or husband , excuse me dear but I find that goat or sheep more sexualy exciting than you!

Because thats what they were doing.
 
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If you realy want some weird stuff then read the OT and how both men and women were having sex with animals.

Could you imagine saying to your wife or husband , excuse me dear but I find that goat or sheep more sexualy exciting than you!

Because thats what they were doing.
...and half the people in the State of Washington, apparently...
 
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Gen 6:2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
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Gen 6:4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.







Ok, then, now that I've showed you what Genesis says on the matter, tell me how Jude could possibly KNOW that there are angels being held in chains of darkness awaiting Judgment Day???....seeing as how he quotes Enoch, word for word, and all.

Where in the Bible is it written that angels did the following?

Jud 1:6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


How could Jude possibly KNOW about that?
Unlike you I do not exalt the book of enoch to the status of scripture, nothing you have quoted from the actual Bible says that angels had relations with human.

Does anyone else want to attempt to show scripture that says angels had relations with humans, maybe you zeke you said there were some can you give them to me.
 
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Jude refers to the saga outlined in the Book of Enoch. When Jude talks of angels in chains, Jude is not referring to anything you can find in a 66-book Bible.

2 Peter 2 also refers to the saga outlined in the Book of Enoch.

Enoch was known and widely read in the 1st century and Jude and Peter are referring to its contents.

John in the Book of Revelation speaks of the Abyss which is detailed in the Book of Enoch and speaks of unclean spirits and evil angels being loosed from it in the last days.
Yet the book of Enoch is not in the Bible ''I wonder why'' probably because it is a fictional piece of literature, while the Bible on the other hand is God's infallible word.

Please someone instead of using a fictional book to try and prove your belief use the Bible.

It was a simple request, give one scripture that says angels had relations with women. If you cannot do that then why do you believe it?
 
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Unlike you I do not exalt the book of enoch to the status of scripture, nothing you have quoted from the actual Bible says that angels had relations with human.

Does anyone else want to attempt to show scripture that says angels had relations with humans, maybe you zeke you said there were some can you give them to me.


You are completely disregarding Genesis.

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. ...
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

AND

You can't answer a simple question:

What was Jude talking about? How does Jude know about this?

Jud 1:6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

And as Summa pointed out, what about this?

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

How did Peter and Jude know that angels sinned, were cast into hell, in chains of darkness, until judgment day?
 
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If you realy want some weird stuff then read the OT and how both men and women were having sex with animals.

Could you imagine saying to your wife or husband , excuse me dear but I find that goat or sheep more sexualy exciting than you!

Because thats what they were doing.
This could be true, but angels are not sexual beings that do not reproduce and if they did, they could no more reproduce with humans than we could with gorillas.
 
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You are completely disregarding Genesis.

AND

You can't answer a simple question:

What was Jude talking about? How does Jude know about this?

Jud 1:6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

And as Summa pointed out, what about this?

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

How did Peter and Jude know that angels sinned, were cast into hell, in chains of darkness, until judgment day?
I know that angels sinned, yet that does not mean that they has sex with women, I did not disregard Genesis, it just didn't say what apparently you wish I would think it says.

Nowhere in Genesis 6 or anywhere else does it say angels mated with women.
 
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Yet the book of Enoch is not in the Bible ''I wonder why'' probably because it is a fictional piece of literature, while the Bible on the other hand is God's infallible word.

Please someone instead of using a fictional book to try and prove your belief use the Bible.

It was a simple request, give one scripture that says angels had relations with women. If you cannot do that then why do you believe it?

Enoch is in the Bible. It's just not in YOUR Bible canon except the direct quote from it in Jude as well as references to it by Paul, and Jesus, and Jude, and Peter. It has been removed from your Bible.

and again:

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, Gen 6:2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.


WHY ARE YOU IGNORING GENESIS?
 
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Enoch is in the Bible. It's just not in YOUR Bible canon except the direct quote from it in Jude as well as references to it by Paul, and Jesus, and Jude, and Peter. It has been removed from your Bible.

and again:

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, Gen 6:2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.


WHY ARE YOU IGNORING GENESIS?
So enoch is in your Bible curious, I wondered why you always came up with these crazy ideas, because the apocryphal is your bible, that explains a lot.

I do not ignore Genesis this is what you say it says.


Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, Gen 6:2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.


I do not see angels mating with women in this passage.
 
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So enoch is in your Bible curious, I wondered why you always came up with these crazy ideas, because the apocryphal is your bible, that explains a lot.

I do not ignore Genesis this is what you say it says.


Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, Gen 6:2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.


I do not see angels mating with women in this passage.

Gen 6:2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them,




I appear to have the same "crazy ideas" as Jesus and Jude and Peter. Where did we get our crazy ideas? How did Jude and Peter know about the angels who sinned and are in chains waiting for Judgment Day?



Furthermore, what do you think demons/evil spirits are? Where did they come from?

What about Jesus' story about the rich man and lazarus and their location after physical death?
 
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Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, Gen 6:2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.


I do not see angels mating with women in this passage.

Many people exchange the words "sons of God" for sons of Seth and "daughters of men" for daughters of cain because they can't handle the truth that is before them.

But i'm sure that you are not like that and will not attempt to change the words , so what is your understanding of it ? , tell me what you see.
 
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I would also refer you to the angels in Gen19, who were accosed by Lot's neighbours....the townsmen wanted to have sex with them....


did you read the links I gave ifrom Bullinger's Companion bible appendix? doesn't take long and you can see exactly what I mean...

http://www.angelfire.com/nv/TheOlive.../append19.html the Serpent in the garden

http://www.angelfire.com/nv/TheOlive.../append20.html Cain and his....

http://www.angelfire.com/nv/TheOlive.../append23.html sons of God

http://www.angelfire.com/nv/TheOlive.../append25.html Nephilim
 
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Gen 6:2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them,




I appear to have the same "crazy ideas" as Jesus and Jude and Peter. Where did we get our crazy ideas? How did Jude and Peter know about the angels who sinned and are in chains waiting for Judgment Day?



Furthermore, what do you think demons/evil spirits are? Where did they come from?

What about Jesus' story about the rich man and lazarus and their location after physical death?
Yeah demons are evil spirits, not physical being able to reproduce with humans, beside even in Heaven Jesus said that angel were not sexual beings, and writing it bigger does not make it any more true.
 
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Many people exchange the words "sons of God" for sons of Seth and "daughters of men" for daughters of cain because they can't handle the truth that is before them.

But i'm sure that you are not like that and will not attempt to change the words , so what is your understanding of it ? , tell me what you see.
And you don't see any problem with changing the word sons of God to angels.

The fact is it is biologically impossible for angels to reproduce with humans.

And there is no scriptural evidence to support this absurd belief.
 
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I would also refer you to the angels in Gen19, who were accosed by Lot's neighbours....the townsmen wanted to have sex with them....


did you read the links I gave ifrom Bullinger's Companion bible appendix? doesn't take long and you can see exactly what I mean...

http://www.angelfire.com/nv/TheOlive.../append19.html the Serpent in the garden

http://www.angelfire.com/nv/TheOlive.../append20.html Cain and his....

http://www.angelfire.com/nv/TheOlive.../append23.html sons of God

http://www.angelfire.com/nv/TheOlive.../append25.html Nephilim
Because the townspeople of Sodom mistook the angels for men and wanted to have sex with them does not mean it is possible for angels to impregnate women.

Once again through all your efforts not one of you have given any biblical evidence to support the belief that angels and humans mated.
 
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those sons of God, or fallen Angels, are coming back here with Satan when they are cast out of heaven to start the final 1/2 hour......I do not believe that angels will have children with women again as they did in the past, except in the spiritual sense....not that they won't try....but that God has shortened the time....to 5 months. Rev9.

angels are very physical beings, and the fallen angels are not born innocent of women but they left their abode on their own, and came here and mated with the daughters of Adam...and there was a exact distinct purpose in this....to try to thwart the seedline that would eventually lead to Christ being born of Mary. it started in the garden, went through the daughters of Adam and infiltrated to such an extent that the flood was necessary to wipe them all out...Noah is chosen, probably one of the only unaffected Adamic people left....and it even takes him a very long time (extra 400 years or so) to find a wife and have kids, who is also pure in genetics/not taken with the sons of God...as he was...

and the seedline continues through him...

it will be like in the days of Noah....connects us to many things that were going on then, and one of those things was marriage to the fallen angels, and children being born when the women is beguiled...

the church is the woman, the elect lady, and we are espoused to Christ, and Paul teaches that we are supposed to be like chased virgins, waiting to be married to Our Lord, but he fears that many will become beguiled as Eve was beguiled by the serpent (Satan). Satan and the fallen angels are coming back here to earth to get married again (metaphorically speaking)...to beguile us again....to try to do what they did before, again....and more...

Satan and his angels are going to pretend to be Christ and His angels....marriage to follow...




but even after the flood, there were giants later, that David slew....and we can even trace the giant's lineage by their names and towns(cities) in the bible, and see their direct conflict with the seedline to Christ and Israel....


the giants are a deliberate planting of the fallen sons of God, to try to stop God's plan, and they are the seed of the fallen angels /sons of God. The giants may be wiped out, gone now, but their daddies the fallen angels and their leader Satan, are coming back here to beguile the church, which they will do.....all but the elect....

as with just about every biblical study that I have done, I see a very physical beginning to what becomes a very spiritual end....but we cannot negate the physical aspect of the story...there was an example for us then....something tangible to draw from...

the flood in Noah's time, was to teach us about the food that comes from the dragon's mouth during the hour of tribulation.

.....they were giving and taking in marriage back then in Noah's day, but to who.....
the marriage in Noah's time was to the fallen angels, to which they had offspring...

the marriage (not physically but spiritually) in the future will be to Satan and his system when he comes pretending to be Jesus...the church will be a harlot, married to another...

in Christ's service
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