Disproving a notion...

DanielRB · Aug 3, 2008

Hi StarCannon, :wave:

I really am not interested in continuing this thread. It seems that your mind is made up and you're not interested in other points of view. Please--I ask you to be very skeptical about these conspiracy theories. It may make you feel special that you have some secret knowledge that others don't, but in the end this will only make you paranoid and gullible.

Daniel

StarCannon · Aug 3, 2008

Hi StarCannon,

Hi, Daniel.

I really am not interested in continuing this thread.

No one's holding you here. Feel free to unsubscribe the thread. If I have to, I'll just keep posting to a silent audience.

It seems that your mind is made up and you're not interested in other points of view.

Points of view? So far I've seen:
"No, your delusional." I have no history of mental disorders. How could I be delusional? I'm talking about something apparently some peeps don't care to talk about, therefore I must be delusional. Yeah. Right.

"Bavarian illuminati doesn't exist anymore"
I'm not talking about the Bavarian Illuminati.

"Tetrasilver tetraoxide doesn't work on skin conditions"
We're not talking about skin conditions. We're talking about an AIDS pandemic that was started in Africa by the federal government and created by a man named:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8567399552051355527

"AIDS doesn't have a patent"

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3280929/Special-Virus-Program-AIDS-Flow-Chart-TOP-SECRET

I'll concede on that point. Doesn't need it. Seems I was wrong on that one. It seems that Mr. Gallo has made quite a pretty penny stealing the research made by the french.

Also, here is a history of the development of the AIDS virus.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3304595/The-History-of-the-Development-of-AIDS?ga_related_doc=1

"Your paranoid, StarCannon."
I'm informed. When an entity or individual was responsible for a great deal of misery and pain and not made to account for it, it is natural to assume that the individual or entity is still causing much pain and misery. The Illuminati is responsible for a great of death and suffering in the world.

If your going to call those "points of view", then I'm inclined not to accept them.

Please--I ask you to be very skeptical about these conspiracy theories.

Have you done any investigation on your own? Google happens to be a very powerful tool for finding out what there is to know. It's very easy to find the evidence. Just go there and type in "Illuminati" and you'll have as much evidence as your willing to look through.

It may make you feel special that you have some secret knowledge that others don't, but in the end this will only make you paranoid and gullible.

Do you honestly think I feel special having this knowledge?? Hell, no. All I know is that everytime the new comes up, I wonder: what the hell is really going on and everyone else in the room just absorbs it like passive sponges.
Do you think that I care about feeling "special"? What good is feeling special when the world is being systemically taken over by an organization that has one's interests but it's own in mind???

dragoniatiegre · Aug 3, 2008

StarCannon said:
Hi, Daniel.

No one's holding you here. Feel free to unsubscribe the thread. If I have to, I'll just keep posting to a silent audience.

Points of view? So far I've seen:
"No, your delusional." I have no history of mental disorders. How could I be delusional? I'm talking about something apparently some peeps don't care to talk about, therefore I must be delusional. Yeah. Right.

"Bavarian illuminati doesn't exist anymore"
I'm not talking about the Bavarian Illuminati.

"Tetrasilver tetraoxide doesn't work on skin conditions"
We're not talking about skin conditions. We're talking about an AIDS pandemic that was started in Africa by the federal government and created by a man named:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8567399552051355527

"AIDS doesn't have a patent"

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3280929/Special-Virus-Program-AIDS-Flow-Chart-TOP-SECRET

I'll concede on that point. Doesn't need it. Seems I was wrong on that one. It seems that Mr. Gallo has made quite a pretty penny stealing the research made by the french.

Also, here is a history of the development of the AIDS virus.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3304595/The-History-of-the-Development-of-AIDS?ga_related_doc=1

"Your paranoid, StarCannon."
I'm informed. When an entity or individual was responsible for a great deal of misery and pain and not made to account for it, it is natural to assume that the individual or entity is still causing much pain and misery. The Illuminati is responsible for a great of death and suffering in the world.

If your going to call those "points of view", then I'm inclined not to accept them.

Have you done any investigation on your own? Google happens to be a very powerful tool for finding out what there is to know. It's very easy to find the evidence. Just go there and type in "Illuminati" and you'll have as much evidence as your willing to look through.

Do you honestly think I feel special having this knowledge?? Hell, no. All I know is that everytime the new comes up, I wonder: what the hell is really going on and everyone else in the room just absorbs it like passive sponges.
Do you think that I care about feeling "special"? What good is feeling special when the world is being systemically taken over by an organization that has one's interests but it's own in mind???

Yes, you are paranoid. I would strongly suggest that you seek clinical help. No one manufactured the AIDS or HIV virus. The Illuminati do not exist, at least not in any capacity like you are suggesting. There is no world-wide secret agenda, no shadow governments. None of what you are suggesting is remotely true. Please, I beg of you, seek professional help.

Eve_Sundancer · Aug 3, 2008

sidhe said:
The primary source of the modern Illuminati insanity is Robert Anton Wilson, who stands as a True Pimp of the Ages[sup]tm[/sup], and fictionally wrote about them under the guise of writing exposes. The fact that this dude is also responsible for the Church of the Subgenius (still offering salvation at reasonable rates) should tell you just how serious he was.

Sorry to drag this thread back several pages but as far as I knew R.A.W. was not the one who started the Church of the Subgenius. He was responsible for spreading around Discordianism, which shares similarities in thought.

StarCannon said:
... There are many implications. My reality or your reality? Reality changes, you know, in response to knowledge and perception. There's no point in giving up.

Very hard to know where to begin aiming big guns, considering that the Illuminati permeates all aspects of society, which is just one big circle of lies.

I would start by addressing the existence of the illuminati, not the bavarian illuminati, but an entire organization that is to this day alive and thriving.
How do I explain it? Their organization permeates the essence of every government on this planet. They are the force behind the force. Nothing in this world goes on without their approval or disapproval. Every war is tied into their wars, every antrocity calculated from behind the scenes.
You want proof? Look at the one dollar bill. And see the pyramid with the "all seeing eye" at the top. It's a symbol. Here's what it means: the few at the top shall rule as gods, and thus remake the world in their own image.
"Annuit Caeptis" -> "he approves our undertakings". "Novus Ordo Seclorum" --> "New Order of the Ages"
My question would be: who is "he" and what "undertakings" are they talking about? Another question I would ask myself is "new order?" What is THAT? Sounds like they've got some weird ideas about themselves and their place in the world... like they think "god" has given them his blessing.
Want more proof? Sure.
Ever wonder why the world is at it is? Besides us peeps sitting on our bums doing nothing, there is a definite un-leveling of the playing field.

More coming soon. I gotta go and do stuff today.

...You do know the Illuminatus trilogy was fiction, right?

StarCannon · Aug 3, 2008

Yes, you are paranoid. I would strongly suggest that you seek clinical help. No one manufactured the AIDS or HIV virus. The Illuminati do not exist, at least not in any capacity like you are suggesting. There is no world-wide secret agenda, no shadow governments. None of what you are suggesting is remotely true. Please, I beg of you, seek professional help.

You won't even bother investigating my claims? I'm telling you: they do exist. All ya gotta do is google "illuminati" and you'll find as much evidence as your willing to look at.

...You do know the Illuminatus trilogy was fiction, right?

..? If that's a book series, I've never heard of it. Is it any good?

morningstar2651 · Aug 3, 2008

StarCannon said:
..? If that's a book series, I've never heard of it. Is it any good?

I haven't read it yet, but I've heard nothing but good things about it.

dragoniatiegre · Aug 4, 2008

StarCannon said:
You won't even bother investigating my claims? I'm telling you: they do exist. All ya gotta do is google "illuminati" and you'll find as much evidence as your willing to look at.

I've already investigated your claims, and found that what you claim is false. You can't believe everything you read on the internet

sidhe · Aug 4, 2008

Eve_Sundancer said:
Sorry to drag this thread back several pages but as far as I knew R.A.W. was not the one who started the Church of the Subgenius. He was responsible for spreading around Discordianism, which shares similarities in thought.

I'd have to check. He's a major figure in the CoSub, I know for sure. A veritable and venerable saint of Slack.

StarCannon · Aug 4, 2008

I can only then give y'all my personal gurantee. The illuminati does exist whether or peeps acknowledge that fact and act upon on it.

Don't take my word for it. Go and investigate it yourselves. *shrug* After all, none of you seem to take any claim I put forward very seriously.

dragoniatiegre · Aug 4, 2008

StarCannon said:
I can only then give y'all my personal gurantee. The illuminati does exist whether or peeps acknowledge that fact and act upon on it.

Don't take my word for it. Go and investigate it yourselves. *shrug* After all, none of you seem to take any claim I put forward very seriously.

Of course we don't take your claim seriously. The Illuminati simply do not exist in the manner in which you claim. So, your personal guarantee isn't worth much.

Eve_Sundancer · Aug 4, 2008

StarCannon said:
You won't even bother investigating my claims? I'm telling you: they do exist. All ya gotta do is google "illuminati" and you'll find as much evidence as your willing to look at.

You seem to be quite ready to take most things with a lot of skepticism, except for fellow conspiracy theorists. All we're saying is that the claims you have put forward seem very far-fetched and have no evidence that has not already been refuted. We're asking that you apply your skepticism to their outrageous claims.

..? If that's a book series, I've never heard of it. Is it any good?

It is very good.fnord

MewtwoX · Aug 4, 2008

It seems people have covered the supposed AIDS patent... I've got a Bachelors in Genetics and the patent for the cure doesn't seem very convincing either.

The full patent appears to be filled with buzz words (Nano-electrocution?) and one would think that the necessity of persulfates on pathogen surfaces for the redox reaction would be the agents death knell.

A fast Evolving pathogen like HIV would simply develop new active and binding sites which lack persulfates or inhibit the initial redox reaction.

Not to mention the whole liver damage thing kinds of puts it out of the running as an actual treatment of HIV, never mind cure...

StarCannon · Aug 5, 2008

It seems people have covered the supposed AIDS patent... I've got a Bachelors in Genetics and the patent for the cure doesn't seem very convincing either.

The full patent appears to be filled with buzz words (Nano-electrocution?) and one would think that the necessity of persulfates on pathogen surfaces for the redox reaction would be the agents death knell.

Perhaps, but then again no one's really using the cure so there's not much info out there as to whether or not it works. -_-* I think I'll have to find an account of some one who has used it and did get cured.

A fast Evolving pathogen like HIV would simply develop new active and binding sites which lack persulfates or inhibit the initial redox reaction.

From what I seem to be reading these days, these seems to be a bit of a controversy regarding the AIDS/HIV thing.

Not to mention the whole liver damage thing kinds of puts it out of the running as an actual treatment of HIV, never mind cure...

Well, according to the patent it causes an enlargement of the liver but "with no loss of functionality".

StarCannon · Aug 5, 2008

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2862.shtml

The above contains a rather interesting article.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5676977.PN.&OS=PN/5676977&RS=PN/5676977

The above contains the entire patent.

MewtwoX · Aug 5, 2008

Given its properties, I'm highly sceptical of its claims of a lack of liver damage. It doesn't sound particularly safe.

I'm sceptical of the treatment's effectiveness because it moves along one of several general methods for trying to eliminate HIV. In this case attacking the binding sites to prevent coupling and intake of the viral RNA. It's been done before and those attampts have suffered the same fate I noted above.

As to the new article you posted... it appears to argue for a low voltage shock to incapacitate viral load. It sounds similar to electroporation, which is a technique for fusing cells in cloning. It doesn't have a high success rate because it tends to kill the cells that are fused

http://www.bio.davidson.edu/Courses/Molbio/MolStudents/spring2003/McCord/electroporation.htm

In this case though I think any attempt at scaling up electroshock therapy for AIDS patients would be almost impossible due to the highly precise nature and location of the electric shock needed for viral incapacitation.

Also, the side effects of electric shock on somatic cells and other matierals in the bloodstream would also pose a threat for this method. While the test claims that there was no apparent damage to the cells, this was using an in vitro blood sample. In vivo, there could be a lot more unseen side effects (and I'm speaking off the cuff here, I don't know what the effect of the electric pulse would be on half the compounds that flow through organs and the bloodstream. There could be denaturation of important hormones, enzymes, etc.)

I'll leave the claim about being able to prevent Reverse Transcripase alone, but even then, in Virology some retroviruses depend on the viral coat for reverse transcripase (RT) and some can produce RT with the RNA alone and still some can borrow host cell transcription machinery and not even include an RT in their genome.

Its a very mixed bag here.

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