Are you doing all you can in the endtimes??

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So this is for those of you wise enough to know how close it is to Christs return and rule on this earth.

What are you doing to further spreading the gospel in these last days??

Are you looking for ways you can help spread the Gospel more efficiently with your time ??
Hardly anybody believes its the end times , most christians that I speak with think that i'm nuts for even mentioning it.

I guess it might be a case of "as in the days of Noah" , eating ,drinking , getting married and so forth. Their all blind , the darkness has got them by the Ba--s.
 
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Hardly anybody believes its the end times , most christians that I speak with think that i'm nuts for even mentioning it.

I guess it might be a case of "as in the days of Noah" , eating ,drinking , getting married and so forth. Their all blind , the darkness has got them by the Ba--s.
It certinally has you.
 
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Hardly anybody believes its the end times , most christians that I speak with think that i'm nuts for even mentioning it.

I guess it might be a case of "as in the days of Noah" , eating ,drinking , getting married and so forth. Their all blind , the darkness has got them by the Ba--s.

I have found most ministries teach we are in the end of days.

Some built their entire ministries aroundeshatology.

But as for your personal experience do you think that is all the more reason to look for additional or alternative ways to spread the gospel for the lord??
 
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Originally Posted by Brain Damage Hardly anybody believes its the end times , most christians that I speak with think that i'm nuts for even mentioning it.

I guess it might be a case of "as in the days of Noah" , eating ,drinking , getting married and so forth. Their all blind , the darkness has got them by the Ba--s.
My man to the rescue!!!! I would put up the u-tube video for the "ba**s of steel" but not appropriate for this forum :D



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eckoYQqdk28
 
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So this is for those of you wise enough to know how close it is to Christs return and rule on this earth.

What are you doing to further spreading the gospel in these last days??

Are you looking for ways you can help spread the Gospel more efficiently with your time ??

I'm finding the same thing that "Brain Damage" is finding...non-Christians and Christians alike, just roll their eyes and say something similar to what has been predicted:

2Pe 3:4They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."


My MIL, a 75 year old Christian woman, said that she has no interest whatsoever in end times stuff and actually said, "Do you have any idea how long people have been saying that Christ is about to return? There's no point in talking to people about it". I told her that her words were predicted, Scripturally. She didn't appreciate the fact that I pointed that out. In fact, she's been trying to get me to "study" THE PURPOSE DRIVEN LIFE which I had negative feelings about ever since it came out. Thankfully, that guy has been shown for what he is and his book is nothing but New Age pop-psychology with a Christian spin.

Sorry...I guess I'm rambling...or venting...

Any suggestions to reach people in these last days?
 
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I'm finding the same thing that "Brain Damage" is finding...non-Christians and Christians alike, just roll their eyes and say something similar to what has been predicted:

2Pe 3:4They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."


My MIL, a 75 year old Christian woman, said that she has no interest whatsoever in end times stuff and actually said, "Do you have any idea how long people have been saying that Christ is about to return? There's no point in talking to people about it". I told her that her words were predicted, Scripturally. She didn't appreciate the fact that I pointed that out. In fact, she's been trying to get me to "study" THE PURPOSE DRIVEN LIFE which I had negative feelings about ever since it came out. Thankfully, that guy has been shown for what he is and his book is nothing but New Age pop-psychology with a Christian spin.

Sorry...I guess I'm rambling...or venting...

Any suggestions to reach people in these last days?

If they have heard the Gospel and believe they don't ned to focus on the end days.

If they have heard the Gospel and rejected it they dont need to focus on anything except the problems in their life and their lack of peace and contentment. Then maybe they will rethink hearing the gospel and paying attention.

If they have never heard the gospel and might be more inclined to listen to endtimes prophecies to draw their attention to the word then we eschatologists should just keep on keeping on.

But I have found setting up Charitable Trusts to fund ministries and working with a good grant writer has been my newestfocus on serving.

I figure If I can get many mnistries more funds then that is the most efficient use of my time for the Lord work.

I sure could use some help if anyone is interested.
 
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Carey posted in message #9:

If they have heard the Gospel and believe they don't
ned to focus on the end days.

The Gospel ultimately includes everything that Jesus
did (Mark 1:1), and taught, and commanded (Matthew
28:20), including in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew
24) and the entire book of Revelation (Revelation
1:1, 22:16).

Out of all the Christians in the world, only a
relatively few believe that the Gospel's descriptions
of the end days are literal, or that they will happen
soon, or that they have any real relevance to their
lives.

While only a relatively few Christians have been
called by Jesus to sometimes "focus" on preaching
what Jesus taught in the Bible regarding the end
days, all Christians are commanded to "take heed" to
everything that Jesus taught in the Bible regarding
the end days (Mark 13:23).

So why don't they do that? Because, for many
Christians, it would take away from their enjoyment
of and the importance of their present lives. Who
wants to "take heed" to all the horrors of the coming
tribulation when one is focused on enjoying one's
little kids, one's home, one's car, one's
entertainment? And how can one continue to see the
all-importance of one's job, one's bank account,
one's lifestyle, knowing that shortly one could lose
all of them in the chaos of the tribulation, leaving
one alone and penniless and sick like poor Job in his
trials?

But "taking heed" to all the horrors of the coming
tribulation causes one, like Job, to remember what is
truly all-important: one's love for God, which must
exceed one's love for one's family (Matthew 10:37,
Luke 14:26), one's love for one's "stuff" (Luke
12:15), one's love for life in this world (John
12:25); so that even if God allows one to lose all
of these things, whether tomorrow or in the coming
tribulation, one will, like Job, still love God,
still trust Him (Job 13:15), and not curse Him (Job
2:9-10), as many Christians will do during the
coming tribulation (Isaiah 8:21-22).

So "taking heed" to all the horrors of the coming
tribulation causes one to remember not to lay up
treasures on this earth (Matthew 6:19-20), not to
look to the things that are seen (2 Corinthians
4:18), not to set one's affection on things on the
earth (Colossians 3:2), for all these things will
shortly be destroyed.

So "taking heed" to all the horrors of the coming
tribulation causes one to give up everything for
Jesus, as one must do if one is to be saved (Luke
14:33).

So "taking heed" to all the horrors of the coming
tribulation can cause one to truly begin to believe
and obey the Gospel of Jesus, and so be saved by
Him (Hebrews 5:9), instead of just pretending to know
Him (Titus 1:16) and pretending that one is known by
Him (Matthew 7:21-27), while one continues to serve
Mammon instead (Matthew 6:24), and to serve one's own
interests and one's own life in this world (Luke
9:23-25), and one's own sinful pleasures, to the loss
of one's own salvation (Hebrews 10:26-29).

This is why the original cry of the Gospel of Jesus
is: "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is
at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel" (Mark
1:15). Knowing that the kingdom of man, the kingdom of
our own interests, our own pleasures, is soon to be
destroyed causes us to repent from our present service
to it, and to truly believe the Gospel and to begin
to truly serve the kingdom of God instead, the
kingdom of God's own interests (Luke 12:29-34;
2 Corinthians 5:15).
 
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The Gospel ultimately includes everything that Jesus
did (Mark 1:1), and taught, and commanded (Matthew
28:20), including in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew
24) and the entire book of Revelation (Revelation
1:1, 22:16).

Out of all the Christians in the world, only a
relatively few You consider the millions of followers of Herbert W. Armstrong, Garner Ted Armstrong, Hal Lidsey, John Hagee, Jentzen Franklin, Jack Van Impe, Dutch Savage, Jehovas witness, Latter day saints. jsut to name a few a FEW???believe that the Gospel's descriptions
of the end days are literal, or that they will happen
soon, or that they have any real relevance to their
lives.

While only a relatively few Christians Were are you getting you % stats??have been
called by Jesus to sometimes "focus" on preaching
what Jesus taught in the Bible regarding the end
days, all Christians are commanded to "take heed" to
everything that Jesus taught in the Bible regarding
the end days (Mark 13:23).

So why don't they do that? Because, for many ???StatS??what is many??
Christians, it would take away from their enjoyment
of and the importance of their present lives. Who
wants to "take heed" to all the horrors of the coming
tribulation when one is focused on enjoying one's
little kids, one's home, one's car, one's
entertainment? And how can one continue to see the
all-importance of one's job, one's bank account,
one's lifestyle, knowing that shortly one could lose
all of them in the chaos of the tribulation, leaving
one alone and penniless and sick like poor Job in his
trials? Yes I agree some people priorities are there. But that can be a good thing if they are making all they can or using those better lifestyles to attract non Chjristians to want what they have and therefore making
some unbelievers open to hearing the word.

But "taking heed" to all the horrors Not horrors for everyone only those who are strong enough if they are true believers but yet weak they will be protected or nartyred or their hearts might just fail them in fear and they will not be present for the "HORRORS"of the coming
tribulation causes one, like Job,If they are " LIKE " Job to remember what is
truly all-important: one's love for God, which must
exceed one's love for one's family (Matthew 10:37,
Luke 14:26), one's love for one's "stuff" (Luke
12:15), one's love for life in this world (John
12:25); so that even if God allows one to lose all
of these things, whether tomorrow or in the coming
tribulation, one will, like Job, still love God,
still trust Him (Job 13:15), and not curse Him (Job
2:9-10), as many Christians will do during the
coming tribulation (Isaiah 8:21-22). Agreed

So "taking heed" to all the horrors of the coming
tribulation causes one to remember not to lay up
treasures on this earth Unless those treasures are invested as any good steward should do and the dividends are used to feed Jesus sheep.(Matthew 6:19-20), not to
look to the things that are seen (2 Corinthians
4:18), not to set one's affection on things on the
earth (Colossians 3:2), for all these things will
shortly be destroyed. Agreed

So "taking heed" to all the horrors of the coming
tribulation causes one to give up everything for
Jesus, as one must do if one is to be saved (Luke
14:33). But you must understand what you believe giving up everything is is not the same as another mans. If a rich man had not been rich Jesus body would have had no tomb.One of Gods faborites was also the richest man on earth Solomon. Its what you do with your riches and possessions not just having or not having them.

So "taking heed" to all the horrors of the coming
tribulation can cause one to truly begin to believe
and obey the Gospel of Jesus, and so be saved by
Him (Hebrews 5:9), instead of just pretending to know
Him (Titus 1:16) and pretending that one is known by
Him (Matthew 7:21-27), while one continues to serve
Mammon instead (Matthew 6:24), and to serve one's own
interests and one's own life in this world (Luke
9:23-25), and one's own sinful pleasures, to the loss
of one's own salvation (Hebrews 10:26-29). Thats true for some but I think you are pesonalizing your view of people to make them fit to these scriptures.:holy:

This is why the original cry of the Gospel of Jesus
is: "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is
at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel" (Mark
1:15). Knowing that the kingdom of man, the kingdom of
our own interests, our own pleasures, is soon to be
destroyed causes us to repent from our present service
to it, and to truly believe the Gospel and to begin
to truly serve the kingdom of God instead, the
kingdom of God's own interests (Luke 12:29-34;
2 Corinthians 5:15).

But if spread that message in the same way to everyone you are not being a Good slave with your talents.

Why do you think Jesus originally chose so many personality types with such varied backgrounds as followers.

Was Jesus preaching at all singular like John the baptists??

Jesus hung out in taverns and loved humbly the drunks and prostitutes.

He was not telling them of hells fire he was telling them of heaven and peace and love.

we mus be wise in how we talk to everyone. Some will turn from God if we talk about endtimes. And we never want to turn unbelievers from the truth. We need to lovingly instruct.

See the rest of my responses in Red in your post.

God Bless you.

I can see you are trully wanting to do the will of the Father.
 
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Carey posted in message #11:

Originally Posted by Bible2:
Out of all the Christians in the world, only a
relatively few believe that the Gospel's descriptions
of the end days are literal, or that they will happen
soon, or that they have any real relevance to their
lives.

You consider the millions of followers of Herbert W.
Armstrong, Garner Ted Armstrong, Hal Lidsey, John
Hagee, Jentzen Franklin, Jack Van Impe, Dutch
Savage, Jehovas witness, Latter day saints. jsut to
name a few a FEW???

What was said was that out of "all" the Christians in
the world, only a "relatively" few believe that the
Gospel's descriptions of the end days are literal, or
that they will happen soon, or that they have any
real relevance to their lives.

Unless one can show that the millions of followers of
Herbert W. Armstrong, Garner Ted Armstrong, Hal
Lindsey, John Hagee, Jentzen Franklin, Jack Van Impe,
Dutch Savage, the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Latter Day
Saints, and other prophecy-interested groups, form
more than a relatively small part of the over
2 billion Christians in the world, then the common-
sense observation remains that that out of "all" the
Christians in the world, only a "relatively" few
believe that the Gospel's descriptions of the end
days are literal, or that they will happen soon, or
that they have any real relevance to their lives.

Carey posted in message #11:

Originally Posted by Bible2:
While only a relatively few Christians have been
called by Jesus to sometimes "focus" on preaching
what Jesus taught in the Bible regarding the end
days ...

Were are you getting you % stats??

No percentage or statistics were given. What was said
was that only a "relatively" few Christians have been
called by Jesus to sometimes "focus" on preaching
what Jesus taught in the Bible regarding the end
days.

Unless one can show that all the Christians who have
been called by Jesus to sometimes "focus" on preaching
what Jesus taught in the Bible regarding the end days
form more than a relatively small part of the over
2 billion Christians in the world, then the common-
sense observation remains that only a "relatively" few
Christians have been called by Jesus to sometimes
"focus" on preaching what Jesus taught in the Bible
regarding the end days.

Carey posted in message #11:

Originally Posted by Bible2:
... all Christians are commanded to "take heed" to
everything that Jesus taught in the Bible regarding
the end days (Mark 13:23).

So why don't they do that? Because, for many
Christians, it would take away from their enjoyment
of and the importance of their present lives.

???StatS??what is many??

No statistics were given. "Many" is defined as "a
large but indefinite number" (Webster's).

Carey posted in message #11:

Originally Posted by Bible2:
Who wants to "take heed" to all the horrors of the
coming tribulation when one is focused on enjoying
one's little kids, one's home, one's car, one's
entertainment? And how can one continue to see the
all-importance of one's job, one's bank account,
one's lifestyle, knowing that shortly one could lose
all of them in the chaos of the tribulation, leaving
one alone and penniless and sick like poor Job in his
trials?

Yes I agree some people priorities are there. But
that can be a good thing if they are making all they
can or using those better lifestyles to attract non
Chjristians to want what they have and therefore
makingsome unbelievers open to hearing the word.

Christians aren't supposed to think that a rich
lifestyle is a better lifestyle:

"Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's
life consisteth not in the abundance of the things
which he possesseth" (Luke 12:15).

Christians are supposed to be content with the most
basic necessities, not to try to make all that they
can, or become rich, or entice non-Christians to want
the material things that they have, for gaining
material things has nothing at all to do with
godliness:

"... supposing that gain is godliness: from such
withdraw thyself. But godliness with contentment is
great gain. For we brought nothing into this world,
and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And
having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
But they that will be rich fall into temptation and
a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts,
which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the
love of money is the root of all evil: which while
some coveted after, they have erred from the faith,
and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. But
thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow
after righteousness, godliness, faith, love,
patience, meekness. Fight the good fight of faith,
lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also
called, and hast professed a good profession before
many witnesses" (1 Timothy 6:5-12).

"But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received
your consolation. Woe unto you that are full! for ye
shall hunger" (Luke 6:24-25).

"Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your
miseries that shall come upon you. Your riches are
corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. Your gold
and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be
a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it
were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the
last days" (James 5:1).

So the answer to "Are you doing all you can in the
endtimes" has nothing to do with getting rich, or
having a better life by the world's materialistic
standards, but the exact opposite, just as the
Gospel itself is the exact opposite:

"So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh
not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple"
(Luke 14:33).

"He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that
hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life
eternal" (John 12:25).

"Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself,
and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever
will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall
lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same
shall save it. For what shall it profit a man, if he
shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"
(Mark 8:34-36).

"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate
the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to
the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God
and mammon" (Matthew 6:24).

"Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where
moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break
through and steal: But lay up for yourselves
treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth
corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor
steal: For where your treasure is, there will your
heart be also" (Matthew 6:19-21).

"And these are they which are sown among thorns; such
as hear the word, And the cares of this world, and
the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other
things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh
unfruitful" (Mark 4:18-19).
 
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Carey posted in message #11:

Originally Posted by Bible2:
But "taking heed" to all the horrors of the coming
tribulation ...

Not horrors for everyone only those who are strong
enough if they are true believers but yet weak they
will be protected or nartyred or their hearts might
just fail them in fear and they will not be present
for the "HORRORS"

Weak believers could be included in those whom God
will let die before the tribulation begins (Isaiah
57:1), or let flee into protected wilderness places
during a part of the tribulation (Revelation 12:6),
as God never lets believers be tested beyond their
strength, but provides them a way of escape
(1 Corinthians 10:13).

Carey posted in message #11:

Originally Posted by Bible2:
But "taking heed" to all the horrors of the coming
tribulation causes one, like Job, to remember what is
truly all-important ...

If they are " LIKE " Job

Job was righteous before God tested him (Job 1:1,8).
Job's righteous character shone forth during his
trials, when he refused to curse God for all his loss
and suffering (Job 1:21-22, 2:9-10, 13:15). May we
all have the patience of Job (James 5:11) during the
coming tribulation (Revelation 13:10, 14:12-13).

Carey posted in message #11:

Originally Posted by Bible2:
So "taking heed" to all the horrors of the coming
tribulation causes one to remember not to lay up
treasures on this earth (Matthew 6:19-20) ...

Unless those treasures are invested as any good
steward should do and the dividends are used to feed
Jesus sheep.

There could be some good stewards who will be the
"they" who will feed the Church in the wilderness
during the reign of the Antichrist (Revelation 12:6b),
and then up to the coming of Christ (Matthew
24:45-46). But there could be other stewards who have
merely fooled themselves and others that they will do
so, in order to have a religious cloak for their
present covetousness (1 Thessalonians 2:5).

Carey posted in message #11:

Originally Posted by Bible2:
So "taking heed" to all the horrors of the coming
tribulation causes one to give up everything for
Jesus, as one must do if one is to be saved (Luke
14:33).

But you must understand what you believe giving up
everything is is not the same as another mans. If a
rich man had not been rich Jesus body would have had
no tomb.One of Gods faborites was also the richest
man on earth Solomon. Its what you do with your
riches and possessions not just having or not having
them.

Giving up everything is giving up everything (Luke
14:33). If God subsequently entrusts some things back
to somebody to be a steward over them for God's
purposes, then that person will be held strictly
accountable for how he deals with those things which
are no longer his own (Luke 16:11-12).

But it is part of "the deceitfulness of riches"
(Matthew 13:22) for religious people to cloak their
covetousness, even in their own minds, with the idea
that "Only if I stay rich can I can give more money
to the Church". They think that keeping a million
dollars in the bank and giving $100,000 of it to the
Church is worth more to God than having nothing in
the bank and giving one's last 2 cents to the Church,
when exactly the opposite is the case (Mark 12:41-44),
for God cares nothing about how much money we give to
the Church in absolute terms, but only cares about how
much money we give to the Church in relation to what
we hold back and hoard for ourselves.

For God knows that if we hold back and hoard anything
for ourselves, no matter how we might try to justify
it as "investment to reap dividends that I can donate
to the Church later", our hearts will become attached
to our hoard (Matthew 6:21); we will end up serving
Mammon first instead of God first (Matthew 6:24).

One cannot seek first Mammon so that one can then
serve the kingdom of God. It has to be exactly the
opposite. One has to seek first the kingdom of God
(Matthew 6:33), which involves forsaking everything
else (Luke 14:33), and then God will entrust back to
one any material things one may need to do the
specific work that He has given one as an individual
to do (Mark 13:34); and the greatest work, even that
of an apostle, has nothing at all to do with having
wealth:

"For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles
last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made
a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to
men. We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise
in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are
honourable, but we are despised. Even unto this
present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are
naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain
dwellingplace; And labour, working with our own
hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted,
we suffer it: Being defamed, we intreat: we are made
as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring
of all things unto this day" (1 Corinthians 4:9-13).

But some in the modern Church have turned this on its
head, saying instead: "For I think that God hath set
forth us first, as it were appointed to life, the
richest and best lifestyle of all: for we are made an
example of God's material blessings unto the world,
and to angels, and to men. We will not appear as
penniless fools in the eyes of the world for Christ's
sake. But ye poverty-lovers think you are so wise in
Christ. We are strong witnesses for the Lord with our
rich lifestyle, but you are weak witnesses, for who
wants to be poor? We are honourable in the eyes of the
world; unbelievers want to become Christians so they
can get rich like us. But you poverty-lovers are
despised by the world. Even to this present hour we
never hunger, never thirst, never are naked, never are
buffeted, and never have no certain dwellingplace.
Indeed, we own many different houses, all with pools
and all the best amenities; even our dogs have air-
conditioned doghouses! And we never labour, working
with our own hands; that's for suckers. We 'invest'
and get 'dividends', which are from the profit earned
by the sweat of others laboring with their hands. When
the poor revile us for our greed and hoarding of our
wealth, we revile them for their laziness and tell
them to get a job! (In a company we can 'invest' in so
we can sit back and sip cocktails by the pool and get
'dividends' from the profit made with their labor.)
We are never persecuted or defamed by the world, for
we tell the world what it wants to hear, and the world
loves rich people. And when poverty-lovers defame us,
we cry 'You're just jealous!'. It's those poverty-
lovers who are as the filth of the world, and are the
offscouring of all things unto this day. We're sitting
pretty instead, by our pools or in our Rolls Royces
or in front of our huge plasma TVs; and God loves us
for it, just like He loved Solomon!"
 
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Carey posted in message #11:

Originally Posted by Bible2:
So "taking heed" to all the horrors of the coming
tribulation can cause one to truly begin to believe
and obey the Gospel of Jesus, and so be saved by
Him (Hebrews 5:9), instead of just pretending to know
Him (Titus 1:16) and pretending that one is known by
Him (Matthew 7:21-27), while one continues to serve
Mammon instead (Matthew 6:24), and to serve one's own
interests and one's own life in this world (Luke
9:23-25), and one's own sinful pleasures, to the loss
of one's own salvation (Hebrews 10:26-29).

Thats true for some but I think you are pesonalizing
your view of people to make them fit to these
scriptures.

How many people, including ourselves, do not fit
scriptures such as Titus 1:16, Matthew 6:24, and
Hebrews 10:26 as we are living today, or did not fit
those scriptures as we lived in the past, or will not
fit those scriptures as we will choose to live in the
future? Isn't this why Jesus said that only a
relatively few people will be saved?

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the
gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to
destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way,
which leadeth unto life, and few there be that
find it" (Matthew 7:13-14).

Isn't this why Paul urges us all to:

"Mortify therefore your members which are upon the
earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate
affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness,
which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath
of God cometh on the children of disobedience"
(Colossians 3:5-6).

"For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean
person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath
any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because
of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the
children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore
partakers with them" (Ephesians 5:5-7).

What has happened to the preaching against
covetousness in the Church today?

Haven't many of us fallen instead for the preaching
OF covetousness in the Church today, so that we've
become like those in the first-century church of
Laodicea?

"Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with
goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that
thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind,
and naked" (Revelation 3:17).

Carey posted in message #11:

Originally Posted by Bible2:
This is why the original cry of the Gospel of Jesus
is: "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is
at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel" (Mark
1:15). Knowing that the kingdom of man, the kingdom of
our own interests, our own pleasures, is soon to be
destroyed causes us to repent from our present service
to it, and to truly believe the Gospel and to begin
to truly serve the kingdom of God instead, the
kingdom of God's own interests (Luke 12:29-34;
2 Corinthians 5:15).

But if spread that message in the same way to everyone
you are not being a Good slave with your talents.

How many ways can one relay the message that in order
to be saved one must forsake everything (Luke 14:33),
deny oneself and take up one's cross and follow Jesus
(Luke 9:23)? How is relaying the message that in order
to be saved one doesn't have to forsake everything or
deny oneself relaying the message of the Gospel? That
wouldn't be relaying the message of the Gospel in a
different way; it would be relaying an anti-Gospel, a
gospel of this world, a gospel of Mammon and Self,
merely masquerading as the Gospel of Jesus.

Carey posted in message #11:

Why do you think Jesus originally chose so many
personality types with such varied backgrounds as
followers.

Why do you think that Jesus made all those He
originally chose forsake everything they had?
(Matthew 19:27).

Carey posted in message #11:

Was Jesus preaching at all singular like John the
baptists??

Jesus preached what John the Baptist preached
(Matthew 3:1-2, 4:17).

Carey posted in message #11:

Jesus hung out in taverns and loved humbly the
drunks and prostitutes.

He was not telling them of hells fire he was telling
them of heaven and peace and love.

Where does it say that Jesus didn't preach hellfire
to everyone, just as He did to an innumerable
multitude of people in Luke 12:5, and just as He did
even to the apostles themselves in Matthew 10:28 and
Mark 9:45?

Carey posted in message #11:

we mus be wise in how we talk to everyone. Some will
turn from God if we talk about endtimes. And we never
want to turn unbelievers from the truth.

We must never want to preach the truth for fear of
turning unbelievers from the truth?

Carey posted in message #11:

We need to lovingly instruct.

What is a "loving" instruction without any rebuking
of sin or any call to repentance (Revelation 3:19,
Luke 13:3, Hebrews 10:26-29), or any warning about
what is so soon to come upon the world (Revelation
1:1)?

Carey posted in message #11:

I can see you are trully wanting to do the will of
the Father.

We can't know if we truly want to do the will of the
Father until we actually do it, for we can fool
ourselves:

"They profess that they know God; but in works they
deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and
unto every good work reprobate" (Titus 1:16).

"... with their mouth they shew much love, but
their heart goeth after their covetousness"
(Ezekiel 33:31b).

"Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as
it is written, This people honoureth me with their
lips, but their heart is far from me" (Mark 7:6).

"For where your treasure is, there will your heart be
also" (Matthew 6:21).
 
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Billwald is right in that we've been in the last days for quite some time. There is NO way to determine whether we will witness Jesus' return or the rise of the antichrist or any of that. It sort of bugs me when people say we're the last generation this and that, it's all highly subjective. Our ego's tell us "look at the signs" and such, but really it could happen in another thousand years, three thousand years, whenever. All we can do is keep our faith and stay on guard.
 
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We have been in the last days for 2000 years. I try to be a good neighbor and make the world a better place for the grandkids.

Anyone else think the rapture will be a harder sell when year 4008 rolls around?


Yes, we've been in the last days for 2000 years.

There is Biblical evidence to suggest that the church age or "times of the gentiles" or "full number of gentiles" is 2000 years and that Christ's return and reign will begin "on the morning of the 3rd day".

That means that the catching away of the Bride is in the wee hours on that 3rd day.

So, whether you believe it or not, Christ is about to return...regardless of how long people have been saying it.
 
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Yes, we've been in the last days for 2000 years.

There is Biblical evidence to suggest that the church age or "times of the gentiles" or "full number of gentiles" is 2000 years and that Christ's return and reign will begin "on the morning of the 3rd day".

That means that the catching away of the Bride is in the wee hours on that 3rd day.

So, whether you believe it or not, Christ is about to return...regardless of how long people have been saying it.


Do you mind sharing those biblical evidences? I don't recall reading anything about Christ's day on the morning of the 3rd day.
 
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Billwald is right in that we've been in the last days for quite some time. There is NO way to determine whether we will witness Jesus' return or the rise of the antichrist or any of that. It sort of bugs me when people say we're the last generation this and that, it's all highly subjective. Our ego's tell us "look at the signs" and such, but really it could happen in another thousand years, three thousand years, whenever. All we can do is keep our faith and stay on guard.

No, there's Biblical proof that 2000 years after Christ's birth is the return of Christ. The problem is that we don't know exactly what time it is. The Ethiopian church just celebrated Y2K on Sept 11, 2007. That means that the 3rd millenium begins...soon. (if they are right)

The Biblical proof is in the symbolism of certain passages. I know of a few.

Here's one:

You know how we are expecting for Jesus to come down at the sound of a trumpet, the dead rise and we are all changed and are caught up to be with Him (1 Thess 4)?

and

You know that we are consecrated, set apart by Christ through faith?

and

You see a group of people standing before the throne and the Lamb, singing about salvation wearing white robes that are washed and made clean in the blood of the Lamb in Rev 7? People have only been able to wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb for about 2000 years which is two days on God's calendar.

Well, have a look at that symbolism and compare it to what happened here:

Exd 19:10 And the Lord said to Moses, “Go to the people and consecrate them today and tomorrow (two days). Have them wash their clothes
Exd 19:11 and be ready by the third day, because on that day the Lord will come down on Mount Sinai in the sight of all the people.
Exd 19:12 Put limits for the people around the mountain and tell them, ‘Be careful that you do not go up the mountain or touch the foot of it. Whoever touches the mountain shall surely be put to death.
Exd 19:13 He shall surely be stoned or shot with arrows; not a hand is to be laid on him. Whether man or animal, he shall not be permitted to live.’ Only when the ram's horn sounds a long blast may they go up to the mountain.”
Exd 19:14 After Moses (symbolic of Jesus) had gone down the mountain to the people, he consecrated them, and they washed their clothes.
Exd 19:15 Then he said to the people, “Prepare yourselves for the third day. Abstain from sexual relations.”
Exd 19:16 On the morning of the third day there was thunder and lightning, with a thick cloud over the mountain, and a very loud trumpet blast. Everyone in the camp trembled.
Exd 19:17 Then Moses (symbolic of Jesus) led the people out of the camp to meet with God, and they stood at the foot of the mountain.
Exd 19:18 Mount Sinai was covered with smoke, because the Lord descended on it in fire. The smoke billowed up from it like smoke from a furnace, the whole mountain trembled violently,
Exd 19:19 and the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder. Then Moses spoke and the voice of God answered him.
Exd 19:20 The Lord descended to the top of Mount Sinai and called Moses to the top of the mountain.



The parable of the Good Samaritan is another one example that demonstrates that Jesus (the Good Samaritan) would be gone for 2 days (2000 years) because he entrusted the injured man (mankind) to the innkeeper and he gave the innkeeper (symbolic of the church) two days wages (because he expected to be gone for two days) and then said he would return.


Then, there is scripture that says Israel will be abandoned for 2 days, then revived and restored on the 3rd day. That 3rd day is the millennium.

Hsa 6:2 After two days he will revive us;
on the third day he will restore us,
that we may live in his presence.



Then there's the pattern of 40.

40 days of testing for Jesus
40 years of testing for Israel
40 Jubilees of testing for the Church (40x 50 = 2000) or it may be considered as another time of testing for Israel since they are abandoned for that amount of time.

Mic 5:3 Therefore Israel will be abandoned
until the time when she who is in labor gives birth
and the rest of his brothers return
to join the Israelites.


Rom 11:25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.

There are others, but you get the idea.
 
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Your post seems convincing and you make some points, but your points along with anybody elses are still subjective. If you are correct, praise God, I've been waiting for this moment for all my life, if you are not correct, praise God, I can wait the rest of my life to see my Lord.
 
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