Just wondering what your take was on various hard to explain topics such as these. Was God simply being accomodating or was God actually condoning such things?
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Polygamy, Slavery & Other Unexplainables
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In words of Bible.org 
, the Bible is 100% God and 100% human. In the issue of slavery, for example, Paul is superficially condoning slavery, but when you study the text it becomes evident that slavery, as expressed in the Bible, is just anti-economical.
In other words, Paul was so indwelt in his culture that he had not realized the institution was evil by itself
, the Bible is 100% God and 100% human. In the issue of slavery, for example, Paul is superficially condoning slavery, but when you study the text it becomes evident that slavery, as expressed in the Bible, is just anti-economical.In other words, Paul was so indwelt in his culture that he had not realized the institution was evil by itself
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Just wondering what your take was on various hard to explain topics such as these. Was God simply being accomodating or was God actually condoning such things?
Different answers for different situations.
It isn't just black/white
Just wondering what your take was on various hard to explain topics such as these. Was God simply being accomodating or was God actually condoning such things?
Different answers for different situations.
It isn't just black/white
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So what does your gray colored answer look like?
In light of how those things are regarded today why do you think God allowed them then?
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In light of how those things are regarded today why do you think God allowed them then?
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My take on it is that the writing of the Bible sometimes became like a game of telephone. God said one thing but something else may have been heard. And given the time they were in and what was considered acceptable, and what wasn't, it's easy to see how they might come to the conclusion that what they did was acceptable and approved.
But... I'm far from being a Bible scholar. So I could be far off the mark.
But... I'm far from being a Bible scholar. So I could be far off the mark.
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Wonder why God would give rules on the treatment of slaves? If it wasn't in keeping with His will why wouldn't He simply say -- "NO SLAVES!"
With all the trouble that came with many wives why didn't God come out and say "One wife only!" The only time He did that was in the NT with the qualtifications of elders.
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With all the trouble that came with many wives why didn't God come out and say "One wife only!" The only time He did that was in the NT with the qualtifications of elders.
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Well morals and philosophical views of 'right and wrong' are so ingrained in us today that we are often ignorant enough to base our Biblical views on non-Biblically based beliefs (ironic?). instead of thinking of something as 'right and wrong' we ought to be thinking of it as 'biblically considered a sin or biblically permissible'.
One example.... masturbation. from a worldly viewpoint it's silly to consider masturbation a sin. I mean, it IS afterall harmless to your health unless done in extreme excess, it's enjoyable, and it hurts no one. so people will say, OBVIOUSLY masturbationg is "right". and on the WORLDLY basis that masturbation is 'right' many biblical references are ignored and people go far as to insinuate that it is 'biblically permissible'.
with slavery it is a bit the opposite. With our history and our knowledge of slavery, WORLDLY it is OBVIOUSLY 'WRONG'. as we see it, slavery ONLY causes pain and suffering. then once again it is went as to say that slavery is 'biblically a sin'. which i believe is wrong. slavery HAS caused MANY good things! God has used it to his glory!
now here's where i may seem to contradict myself. i DO believe slavery to be sin CULTURALLY! that is to say, it is a sin NOW because our GOVERNMENT has outlawed it. Authority is afterall, ordained by God. and as it says in proverbs, 'God guides the king's heart like a river'. the emancipation proclamation was NO accident. God used slavery to his glory, and i don't know... God decided slavery's time was up, it was time for culture to change(slavery wasn't always as violent and repulsive as it had been in the past few hundred years). God is sovereign.... every move is to for the greatest good. authority is one way he works in the world. therefore since authority is put in place by God, and i am told by God's word to obey authority, and authority says not to participate in slavery, it is sin to own a slave.
I believe the big problem with the 'is slavery wrong?' debate is that people don't think back to WHY it is wrong. there are 3 views i think.
-slavery is permissible because God allowed slaves in the Bible and never condemned it. NOT EXCEPTIONS
-slavery is wrong because owning another person is OBVIOUSLY wrong. (the most common view)
-slavery is impermissible because our authority and culture has made it impermissible. and authority is ordained by God.
One example.... masturbation. from a worldly viewpoint it's silly to consider masturbation a sin. I mean, it IS afterall harmless to your health unless done in extreme excess, it's enjoyable, and it hurts no one. so people will say, OBVIOUSLY masturbationg is "right". and on the WORLDLY basis that masturbation is 'right' many biblical references are ignored and people go far as to insinuate that it is 'biblically permissible'.
with slavery it is a bit the opposite. With our history and our knowledge of slavery, WORLDLY it is OBVIOUSLY 'WRONG'. as we see it, slavery ONLY causes pain and suffering. then once again it is went as to say that slavery is 'biblically a sin'. which i believe is wrong. slavery HAS caused MANY good things! God has used it to his glory!
now here's where i may seem to contradict myself. i DO believe slavery to be sin CULTURALLY! that is to say, it is a sin NOW because our GOVERNMENT has outlawed it. Authority is afterall, ordained by God. and as it says in proverbs, 'God guides the king's heart like a river'. the emancipation proclamation was NO accident. God used slavery to his glory, and i don't know... God decided slavery's time was up, it was time for culture to change(slavery wasn't always as violent and repulsive as it had been in the past few hundred years). God is sovereign.... every move is to for the greatest good. authority is one way he works in the world. therefore since authority is put in place by God, and i am told by God's word to obey authority, and authority says not to participate in slavery, it is sin to own a slave.
I believe the big problem with the 'is slavery wrong?' debate is that people don't think back to WHY it is wrong. there are 3 views i think.
-slavery is permissible because God allowed slaves in the Bible and never condemned it. NOT EXCEPTIONS
-slavery is wrong because owning another person is OBVIOUSLY wrong. (the most common view)
-slavery is impermissible because our authority and culture has made it impermissible. and authority is ordained by God.
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Now what should I put here?
To tell you the truth... I have no idea.
Like I said I'm no Bible and theology expert.
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I can understand that. Many people read the Bible with their 'cultural acceptance' glasses.
That is not a good example! The practice you mention could be considered a sin because you are not trusting God to meet your needs. You are circumventing God's provision with your own illegitimate means. Again you get the
face. Have no idea what you just said. God has used slavery to His glory????Finally, something to agree upon.
You're reading the Bible through your American history glasses.
I'm sorry but your post makes little sense. I would love to debate but I have nothing here to debate because I have no idea what you are talking about.
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Paul talks about how slaves should work and treat their masters and vice versa in Eph. 6.
The entire book of Philemon is about a runaway slave and Paul beggin his owner to forgive him and take him back.
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Please try and keep up here. We are discussing two topics that are very hard to explain culturally and scripturally. Those two topics that are not the same thing are slavery and polygamy. My question is why, in light of Christian views on these subjects (again that's slavery and polygamy) did God never say "Only have one spouse." "You are to not have slaves."
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The question is why not? Why didn't anyone in Scripture make the arguement against it?
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