The thing that really annoys me about the amount of talk on homosexuality is that by debating it, it gives the homophobes a platform to express their bigoted views. Honestly, I think some of the people here on the gay rights side are giving them far too much attention, even if their intentions are good (and yes, I do realise the irony in starting another thread).
Normally, there are one, two, three or four chumps in each thread who are very outspoken on their views against homosexuality, which gives themselves a sense of security that they are being righteous. These people need to understand that discriminating against gays is just as bad as discriminating against race (most people accept racism is bad these days, don't they?). If you are against homosexuality you are no better than a racist. A racist is a bigot, and so is a homophobic, in fact, even if you're hurtful towards people with ginger hair, you are just as bad.
Homophobes say they don't hate anyone, and maybe they don't, but I think your views (the usual suspects know who they are) and the way you exaggerate something, which lets face it, is only a tiny part of scripture and could have been added in by any Tom, Dick or Harry, could be and I'm sure is hurtful to others. I don't think they realise how hurtful they are being, so I'll try and put it into perspective in a way I can relate to and hopefully the outspoken anti-gay people can understand.
I don't take what the anti-gay brigade say especially personally, mainly because I'm heterosexual, but I can relate to how homosexuals must feel as I myself feel like I have been discriminated against at some points as I came from a working class background and my parents were of different races. Where I grew up, it wasn't exactly abnormal to have parents from 2 different countries, so I don't think I've had it too bad or at least I haven't been on my own, but it is hurtful for someone to treat you differently or say that interracial dating is wrong and the offspring wont fit in, or even that we should throw immigrants out of the country (I'm not an immigrant but I am the son of an immigrant). Anyone who throws that sort of bile around is scum in my opinion. I imagine gays feel the same kind of hurt, when they are told what they are doing is wrong.
If someone told me that I couldn't get married or be a Christian because I was born a different way or because of my genes or because my parents were from different countries, I'd be hurt. For the most part homosexuality is rarely a conscious choice, and even when it is, there is nothing wrong with it whatsoever. They are doing no more harm than any other consenting couples, and they are doing no more harm than a person who happens to be born a different colour to yourself. The fact they can't naturally as a couple have children, shouldn't be a reason to hit them over the head with it. The people who bring up that argument disgust me. You wouldn't go up to an infertile couple who can't have kids and beat them over the head with it, would you?
Anyway, the main point I'm trying to make, is that homophobia should not be tolerated. I don't care if it does happen to say in the precious bible that it is an abomination, anyone with a heart should rise above that, and realise that it is completely inconsistent with other sins and most likely was added in as an afterthought by a narrow minded editor. Would you hate interracial couples if the bible said that mixed race children are an abomination? I sincerely hope not, and I'd like to think that most people would think "maybe the bible has got it wrong here" or "that shouldn't really be in there, and someone at some point in time has planted that in there, as surely God wouldn't say that?". The tiny bits that have been added in on homosexuality shouldn't be there either in my opinion, and it is really obvious that it just doesn't fit with the Christian message if you open your mind. Any decent human being should see that.
By expressing these sort of views you are causing more hurt than what 2 consenting adults could possibly cause. Who really is the righteous here? I dunno, maybe if you were born into the privileged group i.e. white, straight, middle or upper working class male you might find it hard to relate to what discrimination feels like, but everyone must have been on the receiving end of hurtful comments, so imagine what it feels like to have to put up with that constantly, when people dislike you just for who you are. Even if you say you don't hate homosexuals, you just hate the sin, I don't know how a homosexual wouldn't take it personally. It would be like walking up to a black person, and saying I don't hate you, I just hate the colour of your skin.
So I appeal to the homophobes, just keep your mouth shut on the subject, even if you're worried about what God might say to you on your day of judgement, you can justify yourselves by saying I wanted to cause the least hurt possible to my brother and sisters. If God is the loving being that you suggest, God will understand that your heart was in the right place by not speaking out against homosexuality. How are you going to justify the fact you have consciously spent so much time causing hurt to homosexuals when there are so many other wrongs in the world? If God asks you, to put in your own words, why stealing is bad, you'll be able to answer quite easily I would think. If God asks you, to put in your own words, to justify what REALLY is wrong with homosexuality, how are you going to respond rationally? If you believe in God, presumably you believe that God gave you a mind to think for yourself, so use it, and realise that there is nothing really wrong with homosexuality.
Normally, there are one, two, three or four chumps in each thread who are very outspoken on their views against homosexuality, which gives themselves a sense of security that they are being righteous. These people need to understand that discriminating against gays is just as bad as discriminating against race (most people accept racism is bad these days, don't they?). If you are against homosexuality you are no better than a racist. A racist is a bigot, and so is a homophobic, in fact, even if you're hurtful towards people with ginger hair, you are just as bad.
Homophobes say they don't hate anyone, and maybe they don't, but I think your views (the usual suspects know who they are) and the way you exaggerate something, which lets face it, is only a tiny part of scripture and could have been added in by any Tom, Dick or Harry, could be and I'm sure is hurtful to others. I don't think they realise how hurtful they are being, so I'll try and put it into perspective in a way I can relate to and hopefully the outspoken anti-gay people can understand.
I don't take what the anti-gay brigade say especially personally, mainly because I'm heterosexual, but I can relate to how homosexuals must feel as I myself feel like I have been discriminated against at some points as I came from a working class background and my parents were of different races. Where I grew up, it wasn't exactly abnormal to have parents from 2 different countries, so I don't think I've had it too bad or at least I haven't been on my own, but it is hurtful for someone to treat you differently or say that interracial dating is wrong and the offspring wont fit in, or even that we should throw immigrants out of the country (I'm not an immigrant but I am the son of an immigrant). Anyone who throws that sort of bile around is scum in my opinion. I imagine gays feel the same kind of hurt, when they are told what they are doing is wrong.
If someone told me that I couldn't get married or be a Christian because I was born a different way or because of my genes or because my parents were from different countries, I'd be hurt. For the most part homosexuality is rarely a conscious choice, and even when it is, there is nothing wrong with it whatsoever. They are doing no more harm than any other consenting couples, and they are doing no more harm than a person who happens to be born a different colour to yourself. The fact they can't naturally as a couple have children, shouldn't be a reason to hit them over the head with it. The people who bring up that argument disgust me. You wouldn't go up to an infertile couple who can't have kids and beat them over the head with it, would you?
Anyway, the main point I'm trying to make, is that homophobia should not be tolerated. I don't care if it does happen to say in the precious bible that it is an abomination, anyone with a heart should rise above that, and realise that it is completely inconsistent with other sins and most likely was added in as an afterthought by a narrow minded editor. Would you hate interracial couples if the bible said that mixed race children are an abomination? I sincerely hope not, and I'd like to think that most people would think "maybe the bible has got it wrong here" or "that shouldn't really be in there, and someone at some point in time has planted that in there, as surely God wouldn't say that?". The tiny bits that have been added in on homosexuality shouldn't be there either in my opinion, and it is really obvious that it just doesn't fit with the Christian message if you open your mind. Any decent human being should see that.
By expressing these sort of views you are causing more hurt than what 2 consenting adults could possibly cause. Who really is the righteous here? I dunno, maybe if you were born into the privileged group i.e. white, straight, middle or upper working class male you might find it hard to relate to what discrimination feels like, but everyone must have been on the receiving end of hurtful comments, so imagine what it feels like to have to put up with that constantly, when people dislike you just for who you are. Even if you say you don't hate homosexuals, you just hate the sin, I don't know how a homosexual wouldn't take it personally. It would be like walking up to a black person, and saying I don't hate you, I just hate the colour of your skin.
So I appeal to the homophobes, just keep your mouth shut on the subject, even if you're worried about what God might say to you on your day of judgement, you can justify yourselves by saying I wanted to cause the least hurt possible to my brother and sisters. If God is the loving being that you suggest, God will understand that your heart was in the right place by not speaking out against homosexuality. How are you going to justify the fact you have consciously spent so much time causing hurt to homosexuals when there are so many other wrongs in the world? If God asks you, to put in your own words, why stealing is bad, you'll be able to answer quite easily I would think. If God asks you, to put in your own words, to justify what REALLY is wrong with homosexuality, how are you going to respond rationally? If you believe in God, presumably you believe that God gave you a mind to think for yourself, so use it, and realise that there is nothing really wrong with homosexuality.
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