I am no longer an evolutionist

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The Bible is self-fulfilling.
Science is self-fulfilling.
Thus, these two ways of looking at the world are equal.
One promises eternal life.
Guess which I chose.


Interesting because I am no longer a Creationist. I was wondering if you could go over how our knowledge of the history of the world is wrong simply because a literal interpretation of a text?
 
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Science is self-fulfilling.
Uh, how?

Thus, these two ways of looking at the world are equal.
Not quite, sparky.

One promises eternal life.
Guess which I chose.
To paraphrase the knight from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, "you chose... poorly."

I'm afraid I'll also have to call Poe on this.
 
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I know a religion that promises 72 virgins. Are enticing propositions more likely to be true?

It's science that has brought us things like antibiotics, flu vaccinations, pasturization, and improved the quality of our lives. Though religion promises a better life, the track record indicates it's science that has always delivered.
 
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The Bible is self-fulfilling.
Science is self-fulfilling.
Thus, these two ways of looking at the world are equal.
One promises eternal life.
Guess which I chose.

They are not really equal. One includes the other one. So you choose the bigger one, then the smaller one is free. And if you chose the small one, you may or may not see the big one because there is a boundary.

No matter what your intention was or what you said, you can not fool the truth.
 
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The Bible is self-fulfilling.
Science is self-fulfilling.
Thus, these two ways of looking at the world are equal.
One promises eternal life.
Guess which I chose.

Well, I'm sure your decision is a relief to those who think that creationism is essential to faith. And maybe it is a relief to you as well. If so, then I'm glad for you.
Yet, I would pose to you this:

Science addresses the mechanics of the Universe: how it was created.
The Bible (or any other religious text for that matter) addresses the question of why it was created.
The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive. The polarization of these types of issues is not only silly, it's non-productive.
 
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I know a religion that promises 72 virgins. Are enticing propositions more likely to be true?

It's science that has brought us things like antibiotics, flu vaccinations, pasturization, and improved the quality of our lives. Though religion promises a better life, the track record indicates it's science that has always delivered.

so what? I know one with a beer volcano. Yeah, that's right, BEER VOLCANO.
 
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The bible does not promise eternal life, use your brain, the bible actaully promises life for the ages to come(aions of the aions) after the great white throne judgement seat of God Almighty. That is when this mortal shall put on immortality this corruptable incorruptability.

Only God is eternal, nor is mankind punished for his finite sins with infinate torture, to say God would do this is actually blaspehming his benevolent nature as God is love and asks us to love our enemies and to be kind to evil (Luke 6:35-36) do you worship or could you worship a God that only says rather than does what He say's!?.
 
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The bible does not promise eternal life, use your brain,
Actually, this depends on who you ask. Ask ten different Christians and you'll get ten different answers. Then most will tell you they've attained their understanding of the Bible's promises via the Holy Spirit.

the bible actaully promises life for the ages to come(aions of the aions) after the great white throne judgement seat of God Almighty.
Which happens to be what you've accepted, but is no more evidenced or confirmable than any other interpretation. Thusly, you have a blind-assertion and nothing more, yet present it as though it were factual. It's an unsupported belief and would be most accurately presented as such.

That is when this mortal shall put on immortality this corruptable incorruptability.
Speaking in contradictions is nothing unusual for those promoting Christianity, though I can't recall the last time I saw a complete contradiction presented in just two words.

Only God is eternal,
Blind assertion. Until you can demonstrate that God does indeed exist, you can't really present any credible claim concerning his period of duration.

nor is mankind punished for his finite sins with infinate torture,
Again, this is a blind-assertion intended to counter the blind-assertions of other Christians. From a productivity stand-point, it's equal to; "Is too!".. "Is not!!".

to say God would do this is actually blaspehming his benevolent nature as God is love and asks us to love our enemies and to be kind to evil (Luke 6:35-36) do you worship or could you worship a God that only says rather than does what He say's!?.
Well, if you want to get analytical about it (and I think that's a good thing), the idea of blasphemy is itself, completely self-refuting. Can you imagine a president who dedicates his efforts and demands the military to pursue an individual just because they didn't vote for him and spoke negatively and outwardly toward him?

Most people would quickly see that as being terribly childish, immature and a strong reason to doubt his ability to make important objective assessments. Yet unfortunately, people buy into this whole blasphemy idea as though it didn't paint God as being childish, emotional and incapable of reacting objectively.

To use the words of Mark Twain;
Blasphemy? No, it isn't blasphemy. For if God is as great as all that he is above blasphemy. And if he's not, then he's beneath it."

Like it or not there is a lot of wisdom and logic in those words. Put still another way, to suggest that God is so petty and childish as to even be concerned that someone would refer to him in an unkind, negative or even fallacious way is a disservice to the proclaimed nature of God. To proclaim blasphemy, is to commit blasphemy.

As time progresses it should become more apparent that there is a bit more involved in participating in GA than presenting a list of "Hell and Brimstone" (or even "Love and Benevolence"), assertions. Here you'll need to actually support such claims and you'll likely find this none to simple when you discover that many here find no magic or divinity behind the Bible and can actually demonstrate much of the Bible to be completely contrary to reality, to Christianity, and even to itself.

Venture forward; your awakening lies in wait. (Welcome to GA!)
 
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The Bible is self-fulfilling.
Science is self-fulfilling.
Thus, these two ways of looking at the world are equal.
One promises eternal life.
Guess which I chose.


Hey Pascal,
I just founded 998 new religions, in all of them God hates gullible people and gives eternal life only to people who don't believe in him. What do you choose now?
 
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