"Could you please kill yourself somewhere else?"

Suomipoika · Jun 11, 2008

GodGunsAndGlory said:
Find proof there is such a thing from a study because "TobaccoFreeSomething" people are lying piece of craps.

Which human being, which sinner, for whom He died for on the Cross, would Jesus (whom your icon claims you love) call a "piece of crap"?

Suomipoika · Jun 11, 2008

Btw, in your language it's "pieces of crap", not "piece of craps". You should at least try to learn to smear people grammatically in your own language, if you're going to choose to follow (and "love") the Lord by smearing, mocking and slandering people. :preach:

Suomipoika · Jun 11, 2008

-znip-

RealDealNeverstop · Jun 11, 2008

faith guardian said:
Not one for wild gambling I take it? Yeah. It wasn't it's usual happy self (my face, that is).
My jacket smells of tobacco smoke. And I have neither been to a pub, nor do I smoke.

/me no like.

For your jacket to retain the aroma you would need to be in close proximity for a bit and just walking by smokers doesn't make sense for that to happen. Even though I smoke I still have a very keen sense of smell, so everytime I got on a train or bus if someone put on too much smell goods, or accidentally grabbed their grandma's bottle, I'd simply move. There are all kinds of annoyances. Welcome to society. I disagree with your rant but you know I still love ya!

RealDealNeverstop · Jun 11, 2008

MoonlessNight said:
But the thing is that all studies that have been successful (or close enough to it that the WHO changes their standards on statistics to say that they are successful) have been on people who live with smokers (at least that I've seen, there may have been also some on people who work in very heavily smoke filled environments). But we aren't talking about that. We are talking about walking by someone who is smoking outside, which is far less exposure to smoke.

That's not to say that I think it's okay for smokers to smoke wherever they want to, because it is unpleasant. But when people act like being in sight of a lit cigarette is going to kill them, I find it a bit ridiculous.

I remember having a conversation with someone about why I don't have a major problem with my friends smoking (if we are in a well ventilated area, like the outdoors). I said that I don't see it as any sort of risk because my exposure is so limited. Their response? "Well I wouldn't want to have "limited exposure" to nuclear waste, so why are you okay with limited exposure to cigarette smoke?" I was dumbstruck, really.

Littering, however, is not acceptable and it is stupid that smokers get away with it.

I would LOVE to see tickets handed out for that. A few times I've said something to people and they always cuss me out, like that would change the fact they butted on the ground. If iam in a pleasant mood (and not in a car) and see someone do it I will pick it up, hold it out, and politely say, "Excuse me, I just saw you drop this." As if they just dropped their wallet or something. I've gotten the best feedback from that approach.

GodGunsAndGlory · Jun 11, 2008

Suomipoika said:
Btw, in your language it's "pieces of crap", not "piece of craps". You should at least try to learn to smear people grammatically in your own language, if you're going to choose to follow (and "love") the Lord by smearing, mocking and slandering people.

First you correct me on grammar, but then you use 3 words that mean 3 different things.

Also, how dare you talk to me like that. Your the one who denies the law of God.

Luke16:17 said:
But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.

Ringo84 · Jun 11, 2008

GodGunsAndGlory said:
First you correct me on grammar, but then you use 3 words that mean 3 different things.

Also, how dare you talk to me like that. Your the one who denies the law of God.

How dare you accuse Suomipoika of something like that. On what basis do you make the claim that he "denies the law of God"?

Considering your track record on making demonstrably false statements, I suggest you post some proof or retract.
Ringo

ShieldOFaith · Jun 11, 2008

faith guardian said:
"Could you please kill yourself somewhere else?"
It's a quote I have felt like telling a few people every day.
No, it's not (that I know, anyway) that they are depressed.

They smoke.
Everywhere. Wait to cross the road, there they are lighting up cigarettes right among a bunch of other people. Most of whom are non-smokers.
Wait for the bus? There they are again. Huffing and puffing. Leaving or entering theaters, cinemas, or anywhere else people gather? Expect to walk through a tobacco haze.

It's seriously ticking me off. I hate tobacco. Not only because it's dangerous, which we all know. We all know how it clogs your arteries, damages your airways, make you smell like a rotting rat, causes cancer and kills somewhere in the vicinity of half it's users. No, it's not because of that, though that IS a consideration.

My main issue is that I, a non-smoker, am not given a choice. I cannot choose to avoid tobacco smoke. Oh, sure, indoors no-one is allowed to smoke anymore. At least not in public buildings. But outdoors? No limitations. Smoke anywhere. Want to walk into a crowd and light up a pack of cigarettes, it's legal. And 'everyone' does it. And not only do they smoke everywhere, they also dump their cigarette buds everywhere. The worst litter in any city - at least Norwegian - is cigarette buds. Everywhere.

What do smokers think? "I'll head over to that group of people, blow smoke in their faces and litter some more. The ground is far too clear of litter over there! And those people, why, they are not smoking. Let's harm their health a bit!"

Enough is enough! Smokers should feel free to smoke - I guess. But they should have the decency to conduct this expensive and -let's face it- stupid business somewhere where it doesn't affect those among us who have chosen to not smoke. Smoke in your home, smoke somewhere other people don't go. And PLEASE don't just drop the cigarette when you're done with it. Eat it, pocket it, or put it in a public ash-tray. I don't care. Just DON'T litter! Is it really too much to ask? Smokers are usually adult anyway, and should really have enough decency to act appropriately among other people.

Oh, but it's an addiction, you say. They can't help it, they're addicted. Well, a lot can be addictive. Bulimia for example. But I am yet to see a bulimic vomit all over random people on the street.

So my proposal is to ban public smoking. Or set up smoking booths where people can get their dosage of tar and carcinogens without imposing their suicidal tendencies on us non-smokers. Let us non-smokers have a real choice.

You do know that Obama is a chain-smoker right?

FaithLikeARock · Jun 11, 2008

To answer why people start smoking - for the same reason they start doing other drugs. Cigarettes give a light-headed, euphoric and peaceful feeling to the user. But unlike most drugs, you build an adaptation to them much quicker and you get addicted much quicker as well. I know this from personal experience as I used to smoke when I was young.

To answer your question - I've never encountered this problem. From my experience, smokers smoke where they are designated and it's easy to get around them. I always tried to smoke away from people who I know don't smoke. My friends all do the same. I even refuse to smoke at all when there are any children under the age of 12 in the room or within sight. So maybe it's just the area? Because where I live smokers are very courteous. Personally, I think that smoking does fall under the category of what should be an illegal drug. It's one of the most addictive. I haven't smoked in years but I still am very tempted when I smell it second hand. My aunt is addicted to the point where a good amount of her income goes to cigarettes and even when her whole family was pushing her to stop, she continued to smoke through her pregnancy (luckily the baby was fine).

FaithLikeARock · Jun 11, 2008

GodGunsAndGlory said:
First you correct me on grammar, but then you use 3 words that mean 3 different things.

Also, how dare you talk to me like that. Your the one who denies the law of God.

English isn't his first language, as he clarified in that post. That considered I think you should be praising him for his excellent English-speaking skills. English isn't an easy language to learn.

I remember the days where it was against the rules to accuse people of not being Christian when they claim to be.

Suomipoika · Jun 12, 2008

GodGunsAndGlory said:
First you correct me on grammar, but then you use 3 words that mean 3 different things.

Also, how dare you talk to me like that. Your the one who denies the law of God.

I deny the law of God by telling how it's not Christ-like to mock people all the time?

And how do you think you know for sure I wasn't aware of the differet shades of meaning of those words? Maybe I was very well aware of what I was writing, ya know?

FaithLikeARock said:
English isn't his first language, as he clarified in that post. That considered I think you should be praising him for his excellent English-speaking skills. English isn't an easy language to learn.

Praising me? I wonder if GodGunsAndGlory even believes that a person can be a true, born-again Christian unless one is a patriotic citizen of the United States. Do you? :sorry:

....not that I think any Christian could be "worthy of praise" anyway ......oh, wait, I am aware of the different uses of the word "praise"! So "praise" the English skills of a Finnish dude? Well, I *did* write my bachelor's thesis in English. It's *not* the hardest language to learn!

Suomipoika · Jun 12, 2008

Anyway, so I believe our lecturer also "denied the law of God" by telling us students to turn off our cell phones at a lecture because of the girl who was allergic to electricity?

Suomipoika · Jun 12, 2008

GodGunsAndGlory said:
Also, how dare you talk to me like that. Your the one who denies the law of God.

.....But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.

Oh, btw, here's something more for you:

Eph.2:15:
by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace

Col.2:14:
having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.

There's a Biblical "tension" for you to contemplate... can you handle a Biblical tension, GodGunsAndGlory?

Anyway, this would be a subject for a whole another thread, a theological one...

TheReasoner · Jun 12, 2008

FaithLikeARock said:
To answer why people start smoking - for the same reason they start doing other drugs. Cigarettes give a light-headed, euphoric and peaceful feeling to the user. But unlike most drugs, you build an adaptation to them much quicker and you get addicted much quicker as well. I know this from personal experience as I used to smoke when I was young.

To answer your question - I've never encountered this problem. From my experience, smokers smoke where they are designated and it's easy to get around them. I always tried to smoke away from people who I know don't smoke. My friends all do the same. I even refuse to smoke at all when there are any children under the age of 12 in the room or within sight. So maybe it's just the area? Because where I live smokers are very courteous. Personally, I think that smoking does fall under the category of what should be an illegal drug. It's one of the most addictive. I haven't smoked in years but I still am very tempted when I smell it second hand. My aunt is addicted to the point where a good amount of her income goes to cigarettes and even when her whole family was pushing her to stop, she continued to smoke through her pregnancy (luckily the baby was fine).

Well, yeah. They normally smoke where designated. They don't smoke indoors anymore. And that's great! But the problem is, they are not (here, anyway) told where to and where not to smoke outdoors. Smoking has had a boost here lately. More people seem to be smoking now than jus a few years ago. Which is sad. And expensive for society. And annoying if they can't avoid blowing smoke on others.

ShieldOFaith said:
You do know that Obama is a chain-smoker right?

What's with the size SOF? Compensating for something?
I don't think it's good that anyone smokes. It's detrimental to their health. But I don't have anything against smokers. I have a lot against littering and just starting smoking around people who don't smoke though.

GodGunsAndGlory said:
Also, how dare you talk to me like that. Your the one who denies the law of God.

How does he do that?

RealDealNeverstop said:
For your jacket to retain the aroma you would need to be in close proximity for a bit and just walking by smokers doesn't make sense for that to happen. Even though I smoke I still have a very keen sense of smell, so every time I got on a train or bus if someone put on too much smell goods, or accidentally grabbed their grandma's bottle, I'd simply move. There are all kinds of annoyances. Welcome to society. I disagree with your rant but you know I still love ya!

Maybe I was overdoing that a little. Though my wife has complained on the rare occasion. Sometimes it is like walking into the great Smog of London... (Overdoing it again, but it can be bad)
Me moving myself is fine - to an extent. However, if you go to a bus stop, and sit down waiting for the bus. Someone walks up, sits down next to you and lights a cigarette. I move and stand beside the booth, he scoots closer cause he wants to sit closer to the wall of it or something. I walk away. Someone else comes and lights up a cigarette next to me. I move again, and someone ELSE shows up and lights a cigarette.... It gets annoying. Norwegians have this thing culturally, they don't want to stand too close to people they don't know. So smokers, they end up being spread out across a fairly large area, making avoiding the smoke pretty close to impossible
I wonder, why can't they just huddle up near the ash tray? There is one provided... It doesn't take Einstein to figure out what an ash-tray with a large sticker depicting it's function, and several buds in it is for.

What if I was allergic to tobacco smoke? Or had severe asthma... I could have had that, some people do, and it must be really tough on them when this happens.

Lanakila · Jun 12, 2008

trunks2k said:
I don't much mind people smoking outside. Generally there's not enough of them concentrated in one spot near more, or there's enough air movement that being a couple feet away keeps most of the smoke away. But there are a couple people I work with that reek so bad of stale smoke when they come back from a smoke break that it makes me gag.

The thing I really do mind about people smoking outside is them throwing cigarette butts on the ground. Why the hell is this considered acceptable?

In fire prone areas it's not only unacceptable it's downright dangerous. This is an odd year here and we might not have a fire season but in places with one like Southern CA, Utah, Idaho, Montana (where I live) please do not throw your lit cigarette butts on the ground. It could mean a whole forest going up in smoke as well as peoples homes.

RealDealNeverstop · Jun 12, 2008

faith guardian said:
Well, yeah. They normally smoke where designated. They don't smoke indoors anymore. And that's great! But the problem is, they are not (here, anyway) told where to and where not to smoke outdoors. Smoking has had a boost here lately. More people seem to be smoking now than jus a few years ago. Which is sad. And expensive for society. And annoying if they can't avoid blowing smoke on others.

What's with the size SOF? Compensating for something?
I don't think it's good that anyone smokes. It's detrimental to their health. But I don't have anything against smokers. I have a lot against littering and just starting smoking around people who don't smoke though.

How does he do that?

Maybe I was overdoing that a little. Though my wife has complained on the rare occasion. Sometimes it is like walking into the great Smog of London... (Overdoing it again, but it can be bad)
Me moving myself is fine - to an extent. However, if you go to a bus stop, and sit down waiting for the bus. Someone walks up, sits down next to you and lights a cigarette. I move and stand beside the booth, he scoots closer cause he wants to sit closer to the wall of it or something. I walk away. Someone else comes and lights up a cigarette next to me. I move again, and someone ELSE shows up and lights a cigarette.... It gets annoying. Norwegians have this thing culturally, they don't want to stand too close to people they don't know. So smokers, they end up being spread out across a fairly large area, making avoiding the smoke pretty close to impossible
I wonder, why can't they just huddle up near the ash tray? There is one provided... It doesn't take Einstein to figure out what an ash-tray with a large sticker depicting it's function, and several buds in it is for.

What if I was allergic to tobacco smoke? Or had severe asthma... I could have had that, some people do, and it must be really tough on them when this happens.

Smokers don't stand close to each other cause they don't like smoke blowing in their face. I'm not kidding.

Smokers should be more courteous around others so I agree while at bus stops the smokers should be responsible for the buffer zone and not the other way around.

Lisa0315 · Jun 12, 2008

My brother smoked and my other brother's wife, our sister-in-law, complained one day that the smell was getting into her clothes even in her underwear. She said he ought to pay for paying a drycleaner to remove the smell. My brother replied, "Lady, if your panties stink, it is not because I smoke."

She never said another word about anyone smoking in her presence again.

Lisa

Shadowfax503 · Jun 12, 2008

Lisa0315 said:
My brother smoked and my other brother's wife, our sister-in-law, complained one day that the smell was getting into her clothes even in her underwear. She said he ought to pay for paying a drycleaner to remove the smell. My brother replied, "Lady, if your panties stink, it is not because I smoke."

She never said another word about anyone smoking in her presence again.

Lisa

Smoker or not that is funny! ^_^

RealDealNeverstop · Jun 12, 2008

Lanakila said:
In fire prone areas it's not only unacceptable it's downright dangerous. This is an odd year here and we might not have a fire season but in places with one like Southern CA, Utah, Idaho, Montana (where I live) please do not throw your lit cigarette butts on the ground. It could mean a whole forest going up in smoke as well as peoples homes.

A couple of years ago I pulled into a McD's drive thru behind a long line of cars. Some genius thought the mulch bed looked like a nice ashtray and I didn't think anything of it till I pulled up closer to the speaker and noticed a nice little fire going, and within 20 seconds it blazed up even more so I jumped out and grabbed a hose that was luckily close by, turned on the water and put it out. Then ran around the corner to yell at the idiot and he was just pulling out but I caught him and told him what he did. He didn't believe me. He really thought I was just some crazy loon and sped away. It was the only time in my life I can remember the cars behind me not beeping their horn cause the line wasn't moving fast enough.

So yeah, fires can start real easy but cigs are being made much safer now. If I put a newport down it will self-extinguish within 2 minutes and it burns more internally than externally. They changed the tobacco paper or something.

RealDealNeverstop · Jun 12, 2008

Lisa0315 said:
My brother smoked and my other brother's wife, our sister-in-law, complained one day that the smell was getting into her clothes even in her underwear. She said he ought to pay for paying a drycleaner to remove the smell. My brother replied, "Lady, if your panties stink, it is not because I smoke."

She never said another word about anyone smoking in her presence again.

Lisa

That is a freaking riot!!!!! Although, she was correct about smoke filled clothes. Sometimes I couldn't smoke inside because of roommates or having a smoke-free partner and I noticed a huge diff in my clothes.

More than a couple of times people have said something to me while buying a pack, like "You know, those aren't healthy for you." I always say something back like, "Well, neither is trying to tell a stranger how to spend their own money. Guess we both like living on the edge."

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