When did the Messianic movement start?

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There is different ideas of when the messianic movement started. I believe it started with Yeshua, and because of persecutions, popped up in tiny groups throughout the centuries throughout many countries. Here is a thread of believers who had some elements outside the catholic version of christianity and had been noted to... keep the sabbath, keep kosher, keep the feasts, keep jewish customs.. in varying degrees and various combinations.... much like Messianics do today.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=4145248&highlight=waldenses
 
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When did the Messianic movement start?
A - just over 2000 years ago; B - around 1967

Does it draw out Hebrew Catholics?
sometimes, but not many - the Catholics have found a way to maintain their belief of being the best closest and only expression of apostolic faith and provide a "Messianic" expression within the confines of the Mother Church.
 
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When did the Messianic movement start?



On the day of Shavuot. For the thousands that came to be followers of Yeshua on that eventful Shavuot were not added to the Christian Church (which was not yet in existence), but to the followers of The Way (so the disciples of Yeshua were called, cf. Acts 9:2; 19:9, 23; 24:14, 22), a sect of Judaism. Nor did they see themselves as some new entity, or some new beginning. Rather, they saw the revival of faith among Jews as well as the ingathering of the Gentiles as evidence of the faithfulness of God to Israel, keeping His covenant promises to make Israel a light to the nations, and to bless the nations by bringing them to that light. Therefore the Messianic movements started at Acts 2. And has always been a thread of Messianic from that time till now. It has grown larger in the last 15 or 25 years.
 
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When did the Messianic movement start?

At Pentecost, but in the modern day, in England, as someone posted above.

Does it draw out Hebrew Catholics?

Those who reject Hebrew Catholics within the Messianic movement are the same people that reject Catholics simply because they are Catholic.

However, there is an excellent, positive organisation of Hebrew Catholics, who in my mere opinion have a wonderful charism and a great approach to keeping the Jewish members Jewish! So, if you're inclined towards Catholicism here is their website.

For the record, the one book apart from the NT that really helped me in my conversion was a Catholic book. PM me if you want to know about that, 'cos it would be off topic here.
 
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On the day of Shavuot. For the thousands that came to be followers of Yeshua on that eventful Shavuot were not added to the Christian Church (which was not yet in existence), but to the followers of The Way (so the disciples of Yeshua were called, cf. Acts 9:2; 19:9, 23; 24:14, 22), a sect of Judaism. Nor did they see themselves as some new entity, or some new beginning. Rather, they saw the revival of faith among Jews as well as the ingathering of the Gentiles as evidence of the faithfulness of God to Israel, keeping His covenant promises to make Israel a light to the nations, and to bless the nations by bringing them to that light. Therefore the Messianic movements started at Acts 2. And has always been a thread of Messianic from that time till now.

That Messianic movement did indeed start at Pentecost (Acts 2), and the eventual result was the establishment of the early church - the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic church (not to be confused with the Roman Catholic church - which left the rest of the church in 1054).

The modern messianic movement has very little in common with the original. The modern messianic movement came out of Protestant Christianity, which came out of Roman Christianity, which at that point was already 500 years removed from Orthodox Christianity.
 
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That Messianic movement did indeed start at Pentecost (Acts 2), and the eventual result was the establishment of the early church - the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic church (not to be confused with the Roman Catholic church - which left the rest of the church in 1054).

The modern messianic movement has very little in common with the original. The modern messianic movement came out of Protestant Christianity, which came out of Roman Christianity, which at that point was already 500 years removed from Orthodox Christianity.



not. You are referring to the founding of the MJAA maybe?

But the modern movement began (again) in the 1800s with Leopold Cohen in Budapest. He was an ortho rabbi who go saved and continued being a rabbi until he moved to New York City and founded Chosen People Ministries
 
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On the day of Shavuot. For the thousands that came to be followers of Yeshua on that eventful Shavuot were not added to the Christian Church (which was not yet in existence), but to the followers of The Way (so the disciples of Yeshua were called, cf. Acts 9:2; 19:9, 23; 24:14, 22), a sect of Judaism. Nor did they see themselves as some new entity, or some new beginning. Rather, they saw the revival of faith among Jews as well as the ingathering of the Gentiles as evidence of the faithfulness of God to Israel, keeping His covenant promises to make Israel a light to the nations, and to bless the nations by bringing them to that light. Therefore the Messianic movements started at Acts 2.
It was not long, however, until the emerging Christian Church of the 2nd Century CE began to interpret the events of that Shavuot very differently. Having begun the split from the synagogue, the
Church began to define herself not only as separate from the Jewish communities out of which she was birthed, but also as something different in terms of God’s previous work. Rather than seeing herself as within the boundaries of Israel, she began to define herself as the “new people of God” who had replaced wayward Israel. As such, she saw Pentecost (for so she called Shavuot) as the birthday of the new, Apostolic Church. Indeed, by the 4th and 5th Centuries, Pentecost was grouped with Christmas and Easter as the three primary festivals of the Christian Church.

In the widening gulf that occurred between the Church and Synagogue in the ensuing decades, Pentecost became an entirely Christian event in the eyes of the Church, completely separated from its historical connection with the Torah festival of Shavuot. The giving of the Spirit at Pentecost, then, was
viewed as the beginning of something new—as a divine imprimatur upon the Church as God’s new people as over against Israel whom He had abandoned.

Philip Schaff’s general description of the Church is representative of this viewpoint:


[The history of the church is the rise and progress of the kingdom of heaven upon earth, for the glory of God and the salvation of the world.… It comes down through the preparatory revelations under the patriarchs, Moses, and the prophets, to the immediate forerunner of the Saviour, who pointed his followers to the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. But this part of its course was only introduction. Its proper starting-point is the incarnation of the Eternal Word, … and next to this, the miracle of the first Pentecost, when the Church took her place as a Christian institution, filled with the Spirit of the glorified Redeemer and entrusted with the conversion of all nations. (Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church 8 vols [Hendrickson (reprint), 1996], 1.3–4)

Here we find the common threads of the later doctrine: the Tanach (Moses and the Prophets) were preparatory to the Christian Church, meaning that their purpose was introductory, not foundational. The message of Moses and the Prophets had therefore given way to the message of Yeshua and His Apostles. In short, the preparatory message was no longer needed, now that the reality
of the Christian Church had arrived, and the ultimate and final plan of God in salvation was never to be worked out through Israel, but through the Church which was God’s plan from the beginning. Thus, the shadow (for so the Tanach with its history of Israel was considered) gives way to the substance (the
Christian Church).-{Replacement theology)
 
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That Messianic movement did indeed start at Pentecost (Acts 2), and the eventual result was the establishment of the early church - the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic church (not to be confused with the Roman Catholic church - which left the rest of the church in 1054).

The modern messianic movement has very little in common with the original. The modern messianic movement came out of Protestant Christianity, which came out of Roman Christianity, which at that point was already 500 years removed from Orthodox Christianity.
Where may I ask are you getting your information? Sources please.
 
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Where may I ask are you getting your information? Sources please.

First of all, is an internet source required for every bit of information? How can you compress years of research, from literally dozens of sources (online and off-line), into something you can post on the internet.

What I posted is known history. Of course alot of false histories exist as well about a great many topics, not just religion. It's actually quite incredible how inexact a science archaeology is.

Anyhow, I apologize for posting in your forums. And here's a link with a bit of historical interest, a recent archaeological find.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...eloved-God-worshipped-Christ-alive-found.html
 
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First of all, is an internet source required for every bit of information? How can you compress years of research, from literally dozens of sources (online and off-line), into something you can post on the internet.

I know how you feel!

What I posted is known history. Of course alot of false histories exist as well about a great many topics, not just religion. It's actually quite incredible how inexact a science archaeology is.

History is not the issue- it's how it is interpreted that causes the trouble! :)

Anyhow, I apologize for posting in your forums. And here's a link with a bit of historical interest, a recent archaeological find.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...eloved-God-worshipped-Christ-alive-found.html

That is without doubt the best and most interesting link to hit these pages for ages.
 
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