Wonders of Amaterasu, sun godess of japan "White Light Majesty"

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Actually I would beg to differ about the advantage of worshiping a god that you can see. Something about us knowing how the sun really works makes it a bit more difficult to deify it. Surely a god must be immortal (if not eternal), but nature's inability to fuse iron puts a maximum lifetime on the sun: i.e. it's going to die. The prophets of Israel mocked the Gentiles' worship of wood and stone, because they knew that these images had been carved by human hands. I'm not quite sure what is appreciably different about the worship of the sun.

A follower of Shinto might say that he can see his god every day. At the risk of sounding like an atheist (I am an atheist with respect to any sun god), I instead see a collection of nuclear reactions which is going to run out of fuel some day. How can a man deify something which neither lives nor hears prayer, and which will die someday, never to be reborn?

You should know this. It's called faith. It's the same mechanism that lets you pray to a god for which there is no evidence of any kind that points to the conclusion that he exsists.
 
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Your wish to be reborn showes your lack of understanding of the world.
If you insult my faith one more time, i will inform administraion.
I will not accept your stalking and harrasment any longer.
You believe in human made stuff. Evrything you believe is a lie. The dates you believe in, ike eastern and christmas are old dates from polytheistic festivals. Church used it, to get more people.
Eastern isn´t christ to heaven, its just persian new year.
Christmas isn´t christ birth, it is old polytesistic saturnalia of the romans.
The bible is written from humans. Mostly lies to cover the power of the church.
The church chnaged the bible very often.

I wouldn´t believe in such a wrong cult...
Its human made...and humans make failures.

To address your concern about forum rules, perhaps you should inform the administration. Nothing I have said violates the rules. To be sure, I have been vehement in my belief in the utter impotence of the Shinto religion to impart any spiritual benefit to the believer, as well as it's absolute falsehood. Is this "stalking and harassment?" All of my comments have been in a public forum, and in response to public comments that you have made. If you make a post, you should expect a response. More importantly, if you write about false religions on a Christian forum, it is entirely within the realm of reason for a Christian to firmly state his belief in the inability of false religions to save the human soul. This forum's rules require respect of other posters (something I joyfully render to all people unless they prove unworthy of it). But to the extent that I properly understand the rules, it does not require respect of other religions. I cannot in good conscience respect a religion that I know to be false, and I am compelled against my will to speak of this religion in the manner that all lies deserve. However, as long as you level the charge of harassment against me, I would remind you of your own words in your less than charitable private message to me yesterday:

AkiraYamato said:
Of course you are christian. Your entire country is and always was submissive.
Indians like to be slaves. So be a slave. Be happy to serve a imaginary god with a minority complex.

Normally it might be more prudent to respond to a private message privately, but since you also accuse me of "stalking" (despite the fact that I have never directly contacted you by private messages or any other means), I decided against it. Besides that, there's an important point to be made here. Perhaps the greatest testament thus far to the superiority of my God Jesus Christ over your goddess is that despite your claim that you can see her every day at sunrise, she is still unable to hold your tongue from making careless and racist comments such as this. My God is invisible, forbidding the creation of any idol of himself, and seen only in the face of his Son who is in heaven, and yet he causes millions of sinners (most of us being far worse than you) of all races and ethnicities to repent and trust in him.

Allow me to present an alternative model to your "minority complex" theory. You know, at some level, that your worship of the sun is meaningless, but (based on what you've said in earlier posts) you continue to do it for some cultural reason. I insist that your god is false, and that the God who created the sun commands that you repent and believe in his Son Jesus Christ. This hurts you for some reason. Perhaps it's because you're afraid to admit the impotence of Amaterasu, for fear that failing to worship her will contradict centuries of cultural tradition. I'm not really sure, and I can only speculate. But I think you know that your worship of the sun is of no avail, because the reasons you give for doing this worship seem to be purely arbitrary. Instead of a discussion (or even debate) on the basis of logic and reason, you've responded with vitriol and racism.

You can yell at me all you like, but it will never absolve you of your responsibility to ask why you really worship the sun.
 
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You should know this. It's called faith. It's the same mechanism that lets you pray to a god for which there is no evidence of any kind that points to the conclusion that he exsists.
Ya might have something there because at least we can see the Sun, Moon and Stars to worship if ever need be. Those be Natural lights in the sky.

Biblicall, the Sun Moon and Stars can also be "False Lights", that only shine on the "earthly" creation while the True spiritual Lights shine from Within those who come to know the True Life and Light of the Bible, Jesus Christ and YHWH His Father. AMEN!

Ezekiel 32:7 And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.

1Corinthians 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

Revelation 21:23 And the City not need is having of the sun, neither of the moon, that they should be appearing to her. For the glory of the GOD illuminates her and the Lamp of her, the Lamb-kin/the Word. :)
 
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To address your concern about forum rules, perhaps you should inform the administration. Nothing I have said violates the rules. To be sure, I have been vehement in my belief in the utter impotence of the Shinto religion to impart any spiritual benefit to the believer, as well as it's absolute falsehood. Is this "stalking and harassment?" All of my comments have been in a public forum, and in response to public comments that you have made. If you make a post, you should expect a response. More importantly, if you write about false religions on a Christian forum, it is entirely within the realm of reason for a Christian to firmly state his belief in the inability of false religions to save the human soul. This forum's rules require respect of other posters (something I joyfully render to all people unless they prove unworthy of it). But to the extent that I properly understand the rules, it does not require respect of other religions. I cannot in good conscience respect a religion that I know to be false, and I am compelled against my will to speak of this religion in the manner that all lies deserve. However, as long as you level the charge of harassment against me, I would remind you of your own words in your less than charitable private message to me yesterday:



Normally it might be more prudent to respond to a private message privately, but since you also accuse me of "stalking" (despite the fact that I have never directly contacted you by private messages or any other means), I decided against it. Besides that, there's an important point to be made here. Perhaps the greatest testament thus far to the superiority of my God Jesus Christ over your goddess is that despite your claim that you can see her every day at sunrise, she is still unable to hold your tongue from making careless and racist comments such as this. My God is invisible, forbidding the creation of any idol of himself, and seen only in the face of his Son who is in heaven, and yet he causes millions of sinners (most of us being far worse than you) of all races and ethnicities to repent and trust in him.

Allow me to present an alternative model to your "minority complex" theory. You know, at some level, that your worship of the sun is meaningless, but (based on what you've said in earlier posts) you continue to do it for some cultural reason. I insist that your god is false, and that the God who created the sun commands that you repent and believe in his Son Jesus Christ. This hurts you for some reason. Perhaps it's because you're afraid to admit the impotence of Amaterasu, for fear that failing to worship her will contradict centuries of cultural tradition. I'm not really sure, and I can only speculate. But I think you know that your worship of the sun is of no avail, because the reasons you give for doing this worship seem to be purely arbitrary. Instead of a discussion (or even debate) on the basis of logic and reason, you've responded with vitriol and racism.

You can yell at me all you like, but it will never absolve you of your responsibility to ask why you really worship the sun.

Listen fasist. I don´t care about your mental illness. I think you are just stupid, ignorant and unable to respect others.
Now go and cook rice with curry. I guess thats all you are good for.
 
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Listen fasist. I don´t care about your mental illness. I think you are just stupid, ignorant and unable to respect others.
Now go and cook rice with curry. I guess thats all you are good for.

l think that some of your accusations may be a bit premature...

Indianx, may I ask if this is the life of harmony and simplicity that appeals to you more than the desert cult which instills fear through the threat of infinite punishment? I would remind you that before Galilean (the white supremacist) became apostate, you joined me in harshly criticizing most of his comments. And they were far tamer than this. Do you really oppose racism, or do you merely use it as a vehicle for religious debate? I don't ask this as a rhetorical question.
 
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let the egos hit the floor
let the egos hit the floor
let the egos hit the floor
let the egos hit the....



floooooooooor!!!!!!!


In the red corner from the Land of the Rising Sun, AKIRA!!!!!!
And standing in the blue corner, the Doctor of Doom, ARUNMA!!!!!

**** the crowd cheers ****

ok you lot, you know the rules............no punching below the belt, no ad hominem attacks, no eye poking or any of that 3 stooges stuff. now go to your corners and come out fighting!!!

*** ding! ***


and here we go! both men are sizing the other one up and Akira makes a hard swing with a left and punches Arunma in the goolies!!!! Arunma hits the canvas like a bag of potatoes!

*** the crowd hisses, whistles and boos ***

The ump DQ's Akira and Arunma gets the win! The fans are disappointed with the very short fight and leave the arena yelling and cursing, no body enjoyed that spectacle at all, full stop!


Nothing's wrong with me.............:ebil:
Rhyddid Rose Rhys
 
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In Hiroshima is a very very big and old Ginko Tree. That tree is sacred to Amaterasu, our japanese sun godess. 1945 the atomic bomb detonated just over that tree. That tree was in the hypocenter of the explosion. The bomb was just 100 meters away from it.
and the tree survived it! next spring it got fresh green and stand till today.
Because of that tree, people didn´t lost hope there and rebuild city. That tree has become a national symbol.

Even scientists call it a wonder.

How can christians explain that?

How do you explain the descendant of Amaterasu going on national radio and telling you he's not a god... I do not know how Shinto could continue to exist after WWII.
 
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I fully support an end to this feuding. Just avoid each other, you guys.

It takes a minimum of two to feud. If you believe that I have made use of ad hominem attacks, then please tell me. I have no intention of fighting with anyone. At the same time, you know very well that I have always stood against all non-Christian religions, insisting that they are false and sure roads to eternal condemnation. Therefore I cannot compromise on my position that the Shinto religion (and all other non-Christian faiths) is not a legitimate means of communion with the Deity.
 
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And thats the point where americans were unable to see the giant power of Shintoism. In Shinto, it was never said, that the emperor is a god.

The Tenno said: "The love of my people towards me and our special relationship base not on the false assumption that i´m a god."


The tenno was never a god. He comes from the gods. Thats doesn´t mean that he is a god. Or do you call Virgin Mary a god?
And believe me, Shintoism is 3000 years old. Do you think your laughable nation is able to even scratch on the light of Amaterasu?

And thats something, that you will never understand.
Look at your president, he is nothing more than a joke. He has no honor. And i don´t talk about Bush, i talk about all your leaders.
The tenno is unimaginable honored. He fills evry room with honor and your politicians and leaders look like disgusting shadows next to him.
 
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It takes a minimum of two to feud. If you believe that I have made use of ad hominem attacks, then please tell me. I have no intention of fighting with anyone. At the same time, you know very well that I have always stood against all non-Christian religions, insisting that they are false and sure roads to eternal condemnation. Therefore I cannot compromise on my position that the Shinto religion (and all other non-Christian faiths) is not a legitimate means of communion with the Deity.

You have succeeded in expressing your view that Shinto is not the Truth. Your mission here is complete.


AkiraYamato, please just ignore arunma. You won't get anywhere with your approach.


eudaimonia,

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And thats the point where americans were unable to see the giant power of Shintoism. In Shinto, it was never said, that the emperor is a god.

The Tenno said: "The love of my people towards me and our special relationship base not on the false assumption that i´m a god."


The tenno was never a god. He comes from the gods. Thats doesn´t mean that he is a god. Or do you call Virgin Mary a god?
And believe me, Shintoism is 3000 years old. Do you think your laughable nation is able to even scratch on the light of Amaterasu?

And thats something, that you will never understand.
Look at your president, he is nothing more than a joke. He has no honor. And i don´t talk about Bush, i talk about all your leaders.
The tenno is unimaginable honored. He fills evry room with honor and your politicians and leaders look like disgusting shadows next to him.

Yea, well, the Tenno was never so honored as when he had the privilege of standing next to his conqueror.

itoi12-6-9s.jpg


Still, consider the fact that your Tenno has all of that honor because his subjects used to kneel and obediently give up all of their self respect to him. While it brought him honor, it didn't bring any honor to them. Conversly in modern Japan and the United States we retain our own individual honor and based upon that we select our leaders to serve us on our behalf.

You're a voluntary serf, we're free citizens. And we're just as impressed by your Tenno as you are impressed by our Presidents. The only difference is it actually matters in your case.
 
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Indianx, may I ask if this is the life of harmony and simplicity that appeals to you more than the desert cult which instills fear through the threat of infinite punishment? I would remind you that before Galilean (the white supremacist) became apostate, you joined me in harshly criticizing most of his comments. And they were far tamer than this. Do you really oppose racism, or do you merely use it as a vehicle for religious debate? I don't ask this as a rhetorical question.
Not all of us have the luxury of spending hours on end at a forum. This is a particularly taxing time for me, considering most of my exams are taking place right now. If I can't respond to every post in this thread and on this forum, understand that it's because I might have other pressing matters. My previous post in this thread was my first in almost a month.

Now, with respect to that post, I'm going to assume that you actually read it and if you did read it, you would know that I was talking about the fundamental tenets of his religion. I'm not going to let his childishness taint the beauty of his religion. I don't intend to allow his behaviour to constrain my views of his religion.

But, I am aware that I'm now speaking to a person who once used an arbitrary post in an arbitrary forum to make crass generalizations about a religion of over a billion people. I'm also aware that when a Christian entered this forum and began posting racist rants, you clamored for me and a few others in this forum to not perceive that post to be representative of your religion. So, you can probably understand why it's somewhat amusing to hear you speak about some supposed case of double standards now.

Akira is making the same mistake you made in the past. He depends upon racist generalizations about Indians to make foolish points. He doesn't understand that most Indians are in the same boat as him when it comes their religion being marginalized and disparaged by misguided Christians like yourself.
 
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Yea, well, the Tenno was never so honored as when he had the privilege of standing next to his conqueror.

itoi12-6-9s.jpg


Still, consider the fact that your Tenno has all of that honor because his subjects used to kneel and obediently give up all of their self respect to him. While it brought him honor, it didn't bring any honor to them. Conversly in modern Japan and the United States we retain our own individual honor and based upon that we select our leaders to serve us on our behalf.

You're a voluntary serf, we're free citizens. And we're just as impressed by your Tenno as you are impressed by our Presidents. The only difference is it actually matters in your case.

I like that picture very much. It shows our honorful Tenno and a low animal next too him. The animal isn´t even aware of the basic rules of conversation.

I don´t blame you. You come from a barbaric culture.
 
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I like that picture very much. It shows our honorful Tenno and a low animal next too him. The animal isn´t even aware of the basic rules of conversation.

I don´t blame you. You come from a barbaric culture.

The animal speaks Japanese, so even if it were aware of the basic rules of conversation it wouldn't have anything to say to its conqueror. My culture rules the world, I like that you find it barbaric - you have to live in it anyway :)
 
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This is just about the natiest thread I have ever been a part of. I am sorry that I ever participated. I wanted to talk to the OP and wasn't sure of the rules. How will he ever believe in the love of Jesus if we do not demonstrate it in the face of insults?

Jesus loves you, Akira Yamato. He loves you so much that He died for your sins and my sins and the sins of the world. That is the beginning of truth.

Lisa
 
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I like that picture very much. It shows our honorful Tenno and a low animal next too him. The animal isn´t even aware of the basic rules of conversation.

I don´t blame you. You come from a barbaric culture.

Wow. This thread is taking a turn for the worse. Do you really think every single American is a barbarian?

Do you really think that we are Animals?

Do you really think that Hirohito and his minions were upholding Bushido when they invaded, slaughtered, and subjected Chinese civilians to war crimes?

Why is it that Japan adopts American music, clothing, holidays, sports, and movies if you see us as barbarians?
 
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