Obama pro/con (4)

fated said:

Seeing as you mention it, in what way am I suppose accept that Senator Obama's support for infanticide is somehow positive?

Who in there right mind believes that person devoted to allowing people to leave their babies out to starve to death is fit to be president?

If you want to keep bringing abortion up, I can either complain that Senator McCain is not Pro-life, or that Senator Obama supports the legalization of infanticide.

A vote for Obama is a vote for infanticide. That is, Senator Obama supports actual and undeniable baby killing. As in a hungry baby crying and being left to die.

Believe me, he will either have to change his position, or put himself in a awful position. Conservative are bound to remain skeptical of any change he makes this late in the game.

Because, Senator Obama believes in starving babies. Does it really matter how many babies he intends to allow to be starve?


You are actually suggesting that Senator Obama's baby starving support in no way impacts the way you view him? Or perhaps you support baby starving?

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What is so funny to me about this is you seem to be posting a number of threads claiming the Democrats use hate speech etc. and lumping all Democrats and liberals in a nice big ball of murderous baby killers.

Then to top it off, you lie and say Obama supports infanticide. A blatant lie and truly nothing but pure hate speech.

I think most of us would like reasonable and well thought out political discourse in America. What we get is garbage like yours from a small group of talk-radio led sheep who have hijacked our political system and turned it into debates about non-issues and lies.

You do all of us a disservice with your garbage. Yo have no defense for it. You should put a sock in it.

fated said:

Senator Obama would like me to think that he is pro-life even though he would not support a law banning infanticide.

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Lie

trunks2k said:

And I think you're desperate to look for anything you possibly can to criticize Obama. Since you can't find anything real to do it on, you've been reduced to splitting hairs over semantics. I think in the quotes given, it's clear that he is saying that the Soviet Union is a different type of threat than Iran is.

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you cant stand the fact your man cant even make his own foreign policy clear. obama is an ignorant person who cant seem to make a foreign policy point clear. you are an apologist who would rather stand up for a liar than support mccain. obamqa has nothing to stand in in the first place he hasn't done anyting in the senate but vote 'present'.

JoyJuice said:

Could you be specific on exactly what is not based on fact?

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the whole post has nothing of merit

ShieldOFaith said:

Sorry to dash your hopes, but he will not win.

He is black and extreme left. He will lose.

It is the Dems fault for putting him in the race and promoting him as the greatest thing since sliced bread.

The man has done nothing! He is not a war hero, and in this war on Terror HIS NAME IS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA???

Do you really think that while we are fighting against Osama Bin-Laden, that a guy named Barack Hussein Obama is going to make the American people feel safe?

Please don't put all reason on the back shelf and forget about it.

"BLACK RAGE"???

Can Barack Hussein Obama make the white voters forget about "Black Rage"??? Answer the question honestly please.

Does anyone remember what happened to another charismatic Black leader named Martin Luther King Jr.??? Anyone? Now, do you really think that the country has changed that much since then?

Seriously. I know we have made strides toward bringing race relations down from a boil to a slow simmer. But do you really think that Race will not play a part here??? Come on.

I know this is very basic and has nothing to do with his fancy words and suits. But facts are facts. He is black and this will hurt him in the ballot box.

He will not win.

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In my watching your posts these past months, and in seeing how completely wrong you have consistently been during all of that time, I don't take your post here with much worth at all.

Clearly, there has been a huge change in attitudes towards African Americans by the white community. The very fact that Obama is now a presidential contender is proof of those changes.

We are NOT a reflection of you. Just because YOU still hold racist issues, that does not mean that the rest of America does.

Obama WILL be our next president.

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IF race is the factor which sinks Obama's campaign, it will be because the McCain camp swiftboated it into the public eye at the expense of actual issues. I think such a president would be morally repugnant -- I think such a president would be morally repugnant -- althoguh he might be up your alley.

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...and we've already had almost 8 years of that type pf Presidency.
tulc(not sure we could survive many more)

I actually can't wait for the platforms of both candidates to come out because for the life of me I can't figure out what either stands for. Hope and change are very nebulous terms and McCain is probably the most liberal republican in recent times to get the nomination.

Does president Bush have a plan to improve health care?
Actually, yes, he made a drug benefit and my grandparents are grateful.

But, Senator Obama even voted against a bill to protect newborns who survive the abortion procedure.

How does it make sense to call SOF a racist? It seems like a baseless ignorant or blind piece of speculation, when the media spends time pondering exactly the thing.

Lanakila said:

I actually can't wait for the platforms of both candidates to come out because for the life of me I can't figure out what either stands for. Hope and change are very nebulous terms and McCain is probably the most liberal republican in recent times to get the nomination.

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Almost as liberal as Dubya himself.

fated said:

How does it make sense to call SOF a racist? It seems like a baseless ignorant or blind piece of speculation, when the media spends time pondering exactly the thing.

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It's one thing to ponder. It's an other to declare.

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fated said:

How does it make sense to call SOF a racist? It seems like a baseless ignorant or blind piece of speculation, when the media spends time pondering exactly the thing.

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Kind of like is is not wrong for me to call you a liar. When he flat out says racist things, he is easily outed as a racist.

When you flat out lie, it is easy to out you as a liar.

Don't want the label, don't do the deed.

fated said:

How does it make sense to call SOF a racist? It seems like a baseless ignorant or blind piece of speculation, when the media spends time pondering exactly the thing.

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Yes, the media "ponders" the question because there are still some racists left in the US. But they media doesn't say Obama will lose, merely that his being Black could keep some from voting for him -- though they also factor in that some will likely vote for Obama because he is Black, including many who do not normally vote.

By contrast, SoF only talks of Obama in terms of race and how that will cause him to lose the election.

Of course, if Hillary had won the nomination, we'd likely be hearing about how Hillary cannot win because too many males will refuse to vote for a woman from SoF (rather than just his thread where he claims a woman should never be president).

ShieldOFaith said:

Sorry to dash your hopes, but he will not win.

He is black and extreme left. He will lose.

It is the Dems fault for putting him in the race and promoting him as the greatest thing since sliced bread.

The man has done nothing! He is not a war hero, and in this war on Terror HIS NAME IS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA???

Do you really think that while we are fighting against Osama Bin-Laden, that a guy named Barack Hussein Obama is going to make the American people feel safe?

Please don't put all reason on the back shelf and forget about it.

"BLACK RAGE"???

Can Barack Hussein Obama make the white voters forget about "Black Rage"??? Answer the question honestly please.

Does anyone remember what happened to another charismatic Black leader named Martin Luther King Jr.??? Anyone? Now, do you really think that the country has changed that much since then?

Seriously. I know we have made strides toward bringing race relations down from a boil to a slow simmer. But do you really think that Race will not play a part here??? Come on.

I know this is very basic and has nothing to do with his fancy words and suits. But facts are facts. He is black and this will hurt him in the ballot box.

He will not win.

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I think others here have made very good points regarding your feelings and I applaude them.

Martin Luther King was shot because of his civil rights ideals by those that didn't want change.
As too was Medgar Evers.
JFK was fudemental in making Medgar and Martin luther's dreams to come true, he was assasinated too.

Ronald Reagan was nearly assasinated, it was nothing to do with racism.
How about Abraham Lincoln??
Being black does not make you a target.

As has been stated, times have changed in America and Obama will most likely win, wether you like it or not .

Barack Obama is bi-racial.

Proof: Family picture



Taken from here.

Now, his mother doesn't look all that black, does she? In fact, she's white as white can be.

I doubt it helps to call SoF a racist and other derogatory terms. He has his views and many of us (including me) disagree rather profoundly with him. But he is always forthright, and it would be a shame if his views, which are shared by many, were simply written off as 'racist'.

They represent views which I am sure Mr. Obama knows only too well, and which his campaign offers a real chance to deal with. During the next few months Mr. Obama can show how much America has changed, and offer a nation in need of it an opportunity to renew itself. Mr. McCain can contribute to that process too, and if the two of them play to their strengths, the healing process can begin.

Maybe, glory be, SoF can be part of that process?

Peace,

Anglian

ShieldOFaith said:

"BLACK RAGE"???

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What is that?


I must be living in a black bubble.

praying said:

What is that?

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It may be the twin brother of the Red variety that many seem to feel when they read SoF?

Anglian

Anglian said:

I doubt it helps to call SoF a racist and other derogatory terms. He has his views and many of us (including me) disagree rather profoundly with him. But he is always forthright, and it would be a shame if his views, which are shared by many, were simply written off as 'racist'.

They represent views which I am sure Mr. Obama knows only too well, and which his campaign offers a real chance to deal with. During the next few months Mr. Obama can show how much America has changed, and offer a nation in need of it an opportunity to renew itself. Mr. McCain can contribute to that process too, and if the two of them play to their strengths, the healing process can begin.

Maybe, glory be, SoF can be part of that process?

Peace,

Anglian

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For me and many I know, the problem IS the process. It has become so tainted by vitriolic hate, that we can't talk about issues any more. The very idea that we have to talk about a man's race at all is endemic of this. The fact that we even say Obama is the first black nominee is evidence of the racism we still face. When a man who is born to a white mother and a black father is seen as black, it is not hard to see that we have an ingrained belief that blackness is like some sort of disease. Even a drop of "black" blood in a person is enough to cause us to stop talking about important issues and focus on some nebulous definition of race. What amount of whiteness is needed to dilute the blackness enough for him to become white?

The abortion statements made here are similarly idiotic and telling. We live in a nation where everyone is anti-abortion. We all wish there were as few abortions as possible, and want to do what we can to prevent them. The problem is, extremists spoil the dialog. They immediately begin calling people murderers, make up lies about candidates wanting to commit infanticide, refuse to recognize that we don't live in a world of absolutes, and bring everything to a halt. The presume to know that there is absolutely no case where an abortion may be necessary and to be king over the body of another person.

So what we get is a "process" that goes nowhere. The process has become so tainted and so negative and based on so many lies, that we can never accomplish what really matters anymore. So I for one am tired of these idiots. It is time we started talking about what matters.

silentreader said:

you cant stand the fact your man cant even make his own foreign policy clear.

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He's not "my man". I'm an independent. I don't see myself voting for McCain (but would have 8 years ago), was definitely not going to vote for Clinton, and haven't yet decided if I'm going to vote for Obama or a third party.