Obama pro/con (4)

Nathan Poe · Jun 1, 2008

clirus said:
tulc quote

...but since the Republicans are just as hypocritical I hardly think they have much to be proud of.

Response

How do you consider the Republicans to be hyprocritical?

You've spammed it yourself: You do not believe that Republicans really reflect Christian values (although you've determined that the Dems most certainly do not)

And yet, every election, the Republicans make a big public display of the "Christian Principles" they claim to value -- but when called upon to actually legislate a few of them -- crickets chirp.

Really, clirus, how many times can you stand to be lied to by the Republican party?

Nathan Poe · Jun 1, 2008

tulc said:
hmmmm 20 of the last 32 years have had "pro-life" Presidents (8 years Reagan, 4 Bush sr, 8 Bush jr) and has abortion ended? The Republicans do little more then bang on the "pro-life" drum to get people to vote for them, going on and on about "the precious gift of life each mother to be carries" which the instant the baby is born it's suddenly transformed into "just another welfare leech sucking the blood from hard working Americans".

QFT. Find me a republican who actually values the "Born" over the "pre-born."

tulc(which, oddly enough, is one of the reasons why I vote Democrat)

Same here.

invisible trousers · Jun 1, 2008

silentreader said:
actually i started a thread on his wealth redistribution policies and not a single liberal on the board would even attempt to discuss the details. i provided facts from his own website but no response. just more BDS...

Post it again. It probably got lost in the sea of worthless Obama threads around here.

mpok1519 · Jun 1, 2008

theres really something creepy in all these(SoF) posts about his race; to think the American people won't choose based upon qualification and rather on skin color is deplorable; its revolting to think there are still racist people out there ruining our world with their ignorance. To think we're not smarter than biggoted rednecks who'd rather vote on barbaric rationalizing is insulting; to think the American people aren't smarter than a pile of biggoted white-trash(and yes; if one is racist, they are trash) racists is also insulting to the American people.

To say someone "won't win because of his race" is an insult to every person on the planet on many levels.

I am still ashamed at this thread.

fated · Jun 2, 2008

mpok1519 said:
theres really something creepy in all these(SoF) posts about his race; to think the American people won't choose based upon qualification and rather on skin color is deplorable; its revolting to think there are still racist people out there ruining our world with their ignorance. To think we're not smarter than biggoted rednecks who'd rather vote on barbaric rationalizing is insulting; to think the American people aren't smarter than a pile of biggoted white-trash(and yes; if one is racist, they are trash) racists is also insulting to the American people.

To say someone "won't win because of his race" is an insult to every person on the planet on many levels.

I am still ashamed at this thread.

I don't think that race will be a "decisive factor," but it could certainly have some standing if Obama lost... Or if he won... but, it would have to be pretty close for it to even be close to being considered "decisive," which it might well be...

But, like I said, even then, Obama-esque abortion deregulation and lifting DOMA will assuredly have far more of an effect than race.

mpok1519 · Jun 2, 2008

abortion is like number eight on the list of popular issues; its not gonna decide much.

but I gaurantee things like McCain not knowing the diff bt sunni and shiite won't be a factor; the next commander and cheif(like the last one) doesn't need to know anything about the war they got and keep their country in....sheesh...

fated · Jun 2, 2008

mpok1519 said:
abortion is like number eight on the list of popular issues; its not gonna decide much.

but I gaurantee things like McCain not knowing the diff bt sunni and shiite won't be a factor; the next commander and cheif(like the last one) doesn't need to know anything about the war they got and keep their country in....sheesh...

How about age, experience, and the ideology of federal authority?

mpok1519 · Jun 2, 2008

age can be a bad thing too, if you're so old you fall alseep at UN hearings(like Reagan was infamous for); experience doesn't mean much if its coupled with bad Bushy policies.

fated · Jun 2, 2008

mpok1519 said:
age can be a bad thing too, if you're so old you fall alseep at UN hearings(like Reagan was infamous for); experience doesn't mean much if its coupled with bad Bushy policies.

I'm kind of like Democratic social encouragement and Republican fiscal restraint for the next four years.

What I see is bad social policy, big social structure, and similar long range goals... versus, better social policies, incremental social structuring, and similar long range goals...

mpok1519 · Jun 2, 2008

either way, its still like any other election; two choices, A or B; Coke or Pepsi. Its crappy but I suppose its the best we got. But I'm of a new generation, so I have the taste of a new generation. heh.

SallyNow · Jun 2, 2008

Using the name Hussein as an insult is a little like using the name Vladimir as an insult...

"Oh, you share your name with Lenin, you must be a dictator! LOLZ!"

:doh:

Da Bomb · Jun 2, 2008

fated said:
How about age, experience, and the ideology of federal authority?

Hell no, He isn't even in the state of mind to hep people like me and you, If you support McCain you supporting another RIch republican, with war on his mind. Every one know we are in a BS IDEOLOGY war that Baby Bus=h wanted to finish for Daddy bush, History will not be kind to this administration, neither will lawyers once bush is out of office, but back to Mccain, He is to close politicly to bush to really make a difference. Oh yeah and the numbers, they dont lie, Not enogh republicans have registered to even make a difference this fall, 10000000 new dem, 600000 new repups, for mccain to win he needs 4000000 more people to vote for him just to tie. It aint going to happen. No matter who you put out Mccain is done, we basiclly have a a masive power vacum bush created and it is only enevitible that a Dem will fill it, and that dem OBAMA! Yeah I know its weird to see a Compitant person speak in public with out a speach, but man it feels good to actually see some one who cares enought to study his talking note before he hits the stage.

ShieldOFaith · Jun 2, 2008

mpok1519 said:
theres really something creepy in all these(SoF) posts about his race; to think the American people won't choose based upon qualification and rather on skin color is deplorable; its revolting to think there are still racist people out there ruining our world with their ignorance. To think we're not smarter than biggoted rednecks who'd rather vote on barbaric rationalizing is insulting; to think the American people aren't smarter than a pile of biggoted white-trash(and yes; if one is racist, they are trash) racists is also insulting to the American people.

To say someone "won't win because of his race" is an insult to every person on the planet on many levels.

I am still ashamed at this thread.

I am only pointing out that he is black.

I am also saying that there is race tension in this country, whether you like it or not.

Many black people still harbor ill will toward the white folk because of slavery. Many white folk still harbor suspicion toward black folk.

Sorry that that bothers you. I wish there was no such thing as racial tension in the U.S.; but there is.

Obama will lose because of this.

tulc · Jun 2, 2008

Obama will lose because of this.

Well he hasn't so far, wouldn't he have already been defeated if it was as easy as that? :scratch:

tulc(just curious)

Morcova · Jun 2, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
It is good to be Captain Obvious sometimes!!!

Not when your trying to make an argument.

Morcova · Jun 2, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
I am only pointing out that he is black.

I am also saying that there is race tension in this country, whether you like it or not.

Many black people still harbor ill will toward the white folk because of slavery. Many white folk still harbor suspicion toward black folk.

Sorry that that bothers you. I wish there was no such thing as racial tension in the U.S.; but there is.

Obama will lose because of this.

Of course there is race tension in this country.

Because of people like you, who are more concerned with the race of a person than anything else.

Anglian · Jun 2, 2008

Mr. Obama is just about to defeat the most formidable election-winning team in the USA. Back this time last year we were being told he couldn't beat the Clintons because they had all the Domocratic fund-raisers tied up already; he couldn't raise the money, we were told. He did.

We were told he couldn't get the White votes; he got enough to see Mrs. Clinton off. He pulls in voters who do not usually vote. His appeal is cross-party. It may be that Mrs. C. is reckoning that if she damages him enough he'll lose then she can become the nominee in 2012; if so, she's learnt little. Mr. Obama has thus far thrived on people underestimating him. I'm sure he'd be happy to hand the Republicans to that list - and SoF!

As it happens, my own politics are not those of Mr. Obama, but if anyone is going to help lift the reputation of the US abroad, it is him. He may not do it, but he can give it a good try. Mr. McCain in more of the same, as is Mrs. Clinton.

Anyone who refuses to vote for Mr. Obama because of his race should really ask questions about their own values. Raising the race issue because you think others will is not very concealed code, really.

Anglian

Lanakila · Jun 2, 2008

dfbomb said:
Hell no, He isn't even in the state of mind to hep people like me and you, If you support McCain you supporting another RIch republican, with war on his mind. Every one know we are in a BS IDEOLOGY war that Baby Bus=h wanted to finish for Daddy bush, History will not be kind to this administration, neither will lawyers once bush is out of office, but back to Mccain, He is to close politicly to bush to really make a difference. Oh yeah and the numbers, they dont lie, Not enogh republicans have registered to even make a difference this fall, 10000000 new dem, 600000 new repups, for mccain to win he needs 4000000 more people to vote for him just to tie. It aint going to happen. No matter who you put out Mccain is done, we basiclly have a a masive power vacum bush created and it is only enevitible that a Dem will fill it, and that dem OBAMA! Yeah I know its weird to see a Compitant person speak in public with out a speach, but man it feels good to actually see some one who cares enought to study his talking note before he hits the stage.

In many states you don't have to declare a party at all when registering. I've never declared a party and I've been registered to vote in 6 states. Many of us vote on the issues and pick the best candidate or the least worst candidate no matter what party they belong to.

fated · Jun 2, 2008

dfbomb said:
Hell no, He isn't even in the state of mind to hep people like me and you, If you support McCain you supporting another RIch republican, with war on his mind. Every one know we are in a BS IDEOLOGY war that Baby Bus=h wanted to finish for Daddy bush, History will not be kind to this administration, neither will lawyers once bush is out of office, but back to Mccain, He is to close politicly to bush to really make a difference. Oh yeah and the numbers, they dont lie, Not enogh republicans have registered to even make a difference this fall, 10000000 new dem, 600000 new repups, for mccain to win he needs 4000000 more people to vote for him just to tie. It aint going to happen. No matter who you put out Mccain is done, we basiclly have a a masive power vacum bush created and it is only enevitible that a Dem will fill it, and that dem OBAMA! Yeah I know its weird to see a Compitant person speak in public with out a speach, but man it feels good to actually see some one who cares enought to study his talking note before he hits the stage.

Democrats may well win the popular vote and lose the general election. It could even be a landslide both way. What then? Should we redo the system in a way that pushes around the states that don't agree with popular opinion? No, we should regard it as the system, which preserves justice.

Anglian · Jun 2, 2008

Whether one agrees with Mr. Obama's political views or not (and it would be hard to put much difference between him and Mrs. Clinton) he is clearly an intelligent, well-educated and articulate man. If these are not qualities any nation needs in a leader then one only has to see what happens when a nation is led by an inarticulate, incurious man of moderate intelligence.

It may be that the 'attack dog' nature of modern American politics will succeed in destroying Mr. Obama; but thus far he has managed to cope with everything the Clinton machine has thrown at him.

Mr. McCain's prowess as an election-winner is unproven since he was running against a bunch of guys even less able to appeal to the popular vote than he was. But at least, like Mr. Obama, he appears able to think and talk at the same time.

Whatever the shortcomings of the American system (and which country has the perfect one?), it has produced two candidates who may at least be able to have a debate without notes.

Anglian

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