Should prostitutes be able to adopt?

Nadiine · May 20, 2008

I voted NO for obvious reasons, but I would like to make a statement about worldviews.

Taking God and our Christianity out of the picture, we will be alot more likely to be voting for sinful things that God is directly opposed to becuz moral commands are often not accepted in our civil laws.

In other words, our civil laws might not make adultery illegal or Satanism, or atheism, so since they are legal, then that makes them viable candidates to adopt kids and there's little secular argument you can use against it if they can provide a house & food & clothing for a child.
But is a child in a good home with Satanist parents? On what scale?
physical or spiritual?

AS a born again Christian, God hasn't put me here to be transformed with the world and see things, accept them, condone them or encourage them the same way they do.
Therefore, I have to operate according to what God teaches as moral principles.

I also think apathy to sin in our cultures are tainting the church heavily - and I also think many are falling away from the faith entirely (that's a whole other thread).

Nadiine · May 20, 2008

Knight said:
Since prostitution is illegal in most states I would believe th answer would have to be no.

Unless you would wish to allow other ongoing offenders to adopt...

Well, in Amsterdam, they'de be good mothers then

*blank stare*

mont974x4 · May 20, 2008

IamRedeemed said:
Ok. Well, thank you for your participation Mont.
Clearly we see through different lenses on this. I am not interested in getting into a heated
debate with anyone about this poll, I was just asking for votes and comments.
You gave both. Again thank you for participating.

sorry, I'll bow out

unsubscribing

Jay

IamRedeemed · May 20, 2008

*blank stare*

Nadiine said:
Well, in Amsterdam, they'de be good mothers then

*blank stare*

IamRedeemed · May 20, 2008

Nadiine said:
I voted NO for obvious reasons, but I would like to make a statement about worldviews.

Taking God and our Christianity out of the picture, we will be alot more likely to be voting for sinful things that God is directly opposed to becuz moral commands are often not accepted in our civil laws.

In other words, our civil laws might not make adultery illegal or Satanism, or atheism, so since they are legal, then that makes them viable candidates to adopt kids and there's little secular argument you can use against it if they can provide a house & food & clothing for a child.
But is a child in a good home with Satanist parents? On what scale?
physical or spiritual?

AS a born again Christian, God hasn't put me here to be transformed with the world and see things, accept them, condone them or encourage them the same way they do.
Therefore, I have to operate according to what God teaches as moral principles.

I also think apathy to sin in our cultures are tainting the church heavily - and I also think many are falling away from the faith entirely (that's a whole other thread).

IamRedeemed · May 20, 2008

Just for clarity, are you saying that if it was legal
you would otherwise vote yes?

Knight said:
Since prostitution is illegal in most states I would believe th answer would have to be no.

Unless you would wish to allow other ongoing offenders to adopt...

Knight · May 20, 2008

IamRedeemed said:
Just for clarity, are you saying that if it was legal
you would otherwise vote yes?

I never said anything of the sort. I was merely pointing out one reason.

IamRedeemed · May 20, 2008

Okay, I didn't say you did. I am trying to clarify what your position
would be if prostitution was legal. Because you said "since it is illegal....."
Which is why I am trying to clarify. So would you answer whether you would
vote the same or differently please if prostitution was legal?

Knight said:
I never said anything of the sort. I was merely pointing out one reason.

Nadiine · May 20, 2008

IamRedeemed said:
*blank stare*

Knight · May 20, 2008

IamRedeemed said:
Okay, I didn't say you did. I am trying to clarify what your position
would be if prostitution was legal. Because you said "since it is illegal....."
Which is why I am trying to clarify. So would you answer whether you would
vote the same or differently please if prostitution was legal?

Not a problem.

I would vote no regardless.

IamRedeemed · May 20, 2008

Knight said:
Not a problem.

I would vote no regardless.

OllieFranz · May 20, 2008

First, I agree that I would have a problem if I knew a woman was a working prostitute. (Although I am not sure that the problem I would have with it would be enough for me to support a law against it. I suppose it would depend on the law, how it was worded, and what else it covered.)

I can't help but wonder, however, especially in light of your responses to those who commented, if you didn't set up this thread to point out what you feel is wrong with allowing LGBT couples (or singles) to adopt. The problem is that the two situations are not comparable. The way to make them comparable it to change the poll question to read "Many prostitutes are women. In light of this, should women be allowed to adopt?"

This is because you seem to always assume that all LGBTs live a "gay lifestyle" that matches up with all the worst gay stereotypes. Yes, it is possible to find individuals that do any of those things individually, and maybe even find a few that do most of them. But the vast majority of LGBTs, especially Christian LGBTs, live quiet lives not noticeably different from yours. To deny needy children their care, just because of a few extremists (who are not the ones applying for foster and adoptive roles) is the same as turning away all women because prostitution exists.

IamRedeemed · May 20, 2008

Ollie,

While the gauge would and should be an indicator of
what would and should be applied similarly, according to
where one's gauge for their moral compass comes from;
(ie., the world or God) the purpose is to get an idea of where
society is overall on the compass of morality.
I personally believe the poll results are a good indication of the
moral degradation of our society on a whole.

Mling · May 20, 2008

In places where it is illegal, absolutely not. The purpose of adoption is to provide a *stable* environment. If the child's parent could be arrested at any time, that's not exactly stable.

In places where prostitution is legal (now or in the future) I would be nervous about it, and I think the situation would require close examination, but I wouldn't say no across the board. If the prostitute, (male or female) is using safe practices in choosing his/her clients; has the time and resources to care for the child; demonstrates a mature understanding of childrearing, his/her profession and the separation between the two, I would consider him/her a possibility.

I know there exist sex workers who are mature, well-rounded human beings, perfectly capable of raising children. But the nature of the job does expose a person to certain risks, and also adds extra stress to any pre-existing personality problems. Not the only job to do either, but I would be nervous about putting a child with any person in a similar position--scientists who work on stressful projects with potentially dangerous materials come to mind, also. Or a counselor or social worker who works in extremely emotional or disturbing situations

In any case, if person in a position to be *potentially* dangerous to a child and to be *potentially* a caring and stable parent, I'd allow it if they can demonstrate that they are in the latter category, but I wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt.

Miracle Storm · May 20, 2008

IamRedeemed said:
Yes, actually I do believe her occupation would make her less able to protect
the child. In RL, the state would actually remove a child from such an
environment, to be placed in foster care and these are the same states that
make it legal for a Dr. to stab a scissor into the back of an infant's head and
suck their brains out with a vacuum as long as three inches of the skull is still
in the birth canal...so go figure.

You said for the sake of the poll we should consider that where she lives it is legal correct? So then No, the state would not remove the child from that "enviroment" because the child would not be participating in the enviornment.
I am not saying that prostitution is ethical or moral, but none of us are without sin.
If we are to judge potential parents by their "sins" then you better set up the lie detectors and chuck up some money to start building more foster homes..only a nice word for orphanages.

Should we allow those who are not Christian to adopt?
Should we allow those who drink alcohol to adopt?
Should we allow those who smoke cigarettes to adopt?
What about those who speed on the freeway?
Should we allow those who use profanity to adopt?
Should we allow those whose sin is gluttony to adopt..? (they eat to much you know?)
Should we allow doctors who perform abortions to adopt? (An off topic for the record:against abortion..after much research done throughout my life)
Should inappropriate content stars be allowed to adopt?
Should we allow people of particular race adopt a child of another race?
Should single people be allowed to adopt?
Should someone who hates their brother be allowed to adopt?
Should those who are prideful and arrogant be allowed to adopt?
Should someone who is lazy be allowed to adopt?
What about a liar?
Should ANY sinner be allowed to adopt? If yes, which sins are acceptable for one to be able to adopt?

Maybe a poll should be started of who Should be allowed to adopt...I have the feeling the list would be short... :sorry:

Armistead · May 20, 2008

I didn't consider adoption were prostitution was legal. I haven't researched adoption laws in places like Nevada and see if it's been tested. If it is legal in a state, I don't see how by law they could deny adoption right, as long as they meet the criteria. I would rather see children adopted by someone loving, than rot in a tax funded foster home.

We have a gay couple in our neighborhood, two women. They have three children. To be honest, I assume they are from previous marriages, but one is mixed, so I don't know. The parents are loving, active in school events and the children seem well rounded. The children do suffer from being made fun of, as I have heard that myself. However, they are some of the best behaved children I know.

I'm sure many more states will legalize prostituion. Any state where it is legal, I don't see how they could not allow adoption, at least in that state. If they cleaned up prostitution as far as the danger, protected the women, got rid of pimps, ect..I think it would depend if they meet the adoption agenda. However, I do morally think it's dangerous to the children in the state that prostitution is in now. I would also require drug testing for all potential parents that adopt.

Guess I'll go see if I can find any info on adoption laws in legal states.

Ave Maria · May 21, 2008

No, not as long as they are practicing prostitutes. The reason is because they are violating the law and also because they are doing something that is grossly immoral. Children should not be raised by those who are grossly immoral.

SallyNow · May 21, 2008

I guess I have to vote "no" because many of the prostitutes in my area live in dangerous conditions, and many are hard drug abusers living in unstable conditions. Many are also still children themselves. But there are also many escorts and companions out there who are living stable lives.

Really, there are so many questions within the question I don't even know where to begin:

Is the person currently a prostitute, or have they moved on to different career?
What kind of prostitution do they engage in?
Is prostitution illegal in the area?
Is the person connected with dangerous elements of society? For instance, child molestors, smugglers?
Does the person have a steady income, and will he or she have time to spend with the child?
If in the USA, would the child be eligible for health insurance?
Would the child have access to safe schools and good activity programs?
Would the parent be able to provide a safe, healthy home enviroment? (ie, no exposed asbestos, clean water, heat in the winter, safe food storage?)
Will the child be able to play with other children in the area?
Is the person capable and knowledgable in dealing with the psychological issues that can arise out of adoption?
Is the person willing to learn and deal with any medical or behavioural problems the child may have?

IamRedeemed · May 21, 2008

No, that is INCORRECT. What I said was, for the sake of the poll that
YOU MAY assume it is legal where she lives if YOU wish.
YOU being you, (Miracle Storm) the person that asked.
I also apologized for giving any indication that this poll might
be based on legalities as it is not.

Miracle Storm said:
You said for the sake of the poll we should consider that where she lives it is legal correct?

IamRedeemed · May 21, 2008

Amen. If more people thought this way, (on the heart of the matter) there would be no need for a multitude of questions surrounding the actual activities, whether they are legal or not, whether she has a pimp or not, whether she is doing it for an upscale madam or call service or not, infinitum.

Next thing you know I'll be asked how tall or short, fat or skinny, rich or poor,
the "johns" are. :doh:

The questions in themselves beg questions.

PaladinGirl said:
No, not as long as they are practicing prostitutes. The reason is because they are violating the law and also because they are doing something that is grossly immoral. Children should not be raised by those who are grossly immoral.

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