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Well, they're really two very separate issues. The risks and consequences to each are apples and oranges, IMO.

Marijuana use should more accurately be compared to alcohol than to any other "vice" (if you want to consider it a vice).

I don't think marijuana is any more damaging to families than alcohol. Can it be abused and cause problems? Yes, but IMO not on the same level as alcoholism. People rarely (if ever) get violent on weed the way they do on alcohol. Marijuana is not physically addictive, doesn't have any long term negative side effects except for psychological addiction and possible laziness. The minimal risk of danger to society does not outweigh it's benefits. And I do consider recreational use to be a benefit. It's a socializer - just like alcohol is. The biggest current threat to families caused by use of marijuana is the possibility that mom and/or dad will get put in jail for having some and thus break up the family unit. The occassional use of marijuana at a social get together or for relaxation purposes is no more detrimental than the occassional use of alcohol. Thus, it should not be penalized.

In addition the prosecution of marijuana users is a serious drain on governmental resources that could better be directed at more serious problems. The illegalization only produces a black market which in turn produces drug lords and such - destabalizing whole societies. If it were legal, the worst that could be said is that the weed companies increased the level of THC in the joints they sell (akin to the tobacco companies).

In addition, if it were legalized more serious studies could be made on the health benefits. As it stands, only biased studies have been done and very little funding is available for anyone who wants to determine if there is anything good about marijuana.

I think you are demphasizing some of the risks of marijuana a bit here.

As far as inappropriate content goes... it constitutes the objectification and subjugation of women,

I understand your point but you have to admit those women volunteered to be objectified and subjugated in the first place.

the moral decay of society as a whole, the bondage of men to base sexual desires.

I think you are responding to 6000 years of the world being bound to sin here though Tamara. Do you not think that men where not bound to base sexual desires and women objectified in the past? Slaves in early America where used for sex, throughout the 1500's to the 1700's (and longer) most nobles had secret lovers on top of their wives and this was known and accepted by everyone including the wife and the church. Prostitution was rampent. Even before that many noble and wealthy Christian men kept entire harems and had tons of illegitimate children. Heck one of the reason's that Martin Luther got upset and started the reformation was because he noted that in Rome there where brothels strictly dedicated to the "service" of the clergy.

The only difference now is that women freed from certain cultural restrictions have now also been bound to base sexual desires.

And let not forget, there are many out there that don't consider this a bad thing. I don't think we can ever write the law based on our faith alone.

It often escalates itself - start with soft core, end up with pedophilia. That's been documented repeatedly. Several serial killers have traced the start of their problems to inappropriate content. Ted Bundy said "If you want to stop people from becoming like me, don't burn Catcher in the Rye, burn Hustler."

Yes but when it escalates to that level you have to admit those people probably already had some issues anyways. I really don't think the inappropriate content created those issues. NOW it probably enhanced them quite a bit. I say that because honestly there are lots of people out there watching inappropriate content and you know that the majority of those guys don't turn into pedophiles or serial killers.

It damages people on a spiritual level, desensitizing them to unnatural lusts. It damages their ability to see and appreciate human decency, human beauty, purity and innocence.

Yes but you are looking at this from a purely Christian standpoint. (Although I give you the title of the thread says your own country and not America or something like that)

It exploits both men and women and ruins marital relationships.

So do credit cards, gambling etc. inappropriate content doesn't always ruin a marital relationship, some would tell you it enhances theirs. (I don't get that but ok). Credit Cards don't always ruin a marital relationship but they often enough do. And actually stasitically speaking they are more likely to ruin the average marriage then inappropriate content.

Ok I should probably note that when I was thinking of this I was thinking of America.
 
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I'd legalize marijuana, get rid of legal drinking ages (thus having no legal age), umm let's see... I would allow there to be monopolistic companies (they naturally don't last anyway)... hmm let's see... Basically, I would make there be less government in our lives... lower taxes dramatically, etc etc.
 
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I think you are demphasizing some of the risks of marijuana a bit here.

Kirk, if you want to debate with me, make some effort and do it right. This is so annoying.

"I think you're a purple dinasaur."

In what way and why? Making conclusory statements without any reasoning for support is annoying.

I understand your point but you have to admit those women volunteered to be objectified and subjugated in the first place.

Irrelevant. People used to sell themselves into slavery and indentured servitude too, and we have still outlawed those things.

I think you are responding to 6000 years of the world being bound to sin here though Tamara. Do you not think that men where not bound to base sexual desires and women objectified in the past? Slaves in early America where used for sex, throughout the 1500's to the 1700's (and longer) most nobles had secret lovers on top of their wives and this was known and accepted by everyone including the wife and the church. Prostitution was rampent. Even before that many noble and wealthy Christian men kept entire harems and had tons of illegitimate children. Heck one of the reason's that Martin Luther got upset and started the reformation was because he noted that in Rome there where brothels strictly dedicated to the "service" of the clergy.

What does that have to do with anything? Because people have sinned in the past we suddenly can't make laws about it? Oh gee, did you know that hired hit men have been around for millenia? I guess we better legalize murder for hire.

The only difference now is that women freed from certain cultural restrictions have now also been bound to base sexual desires.

Nonsense. Women have always been subject to the same fleshly desires. This has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject at hand.

And let not forget, there are many out there that don't consider this a bad thing. I don't think we can ever write the law based on our faith alone.

The thread asked what we, personally, would do if we were ruler of a country. You asked me, more specifically, the reasons why I would outlaw inappropriate content.

As the leader of my own country, I tell you that this is what I would do and I don't care what you think "we can" do nor do I care if there are some people out there who justify sin to themselves and don't think it's evil to arouse their own lust by looking a inappropriate content or to make money by using women (and children) as objects of lust.

Moral relativism will not be a consideration in my legislation.


Yes but when it escalates to that level you have to admit those people probably already had some issues anyways. I really don't think the inappropriate content created those issues. NOW it probably enhanced them quite a bit. I say that because honestly there are lots of people out there watching inappropriate content and you know that the majority of those guys don't turn into pedophiles or serial killers.

Agreed as to serial killers. But there are A LOT of pedophiles out there who started with soft core inappropriate content and worked their way down the ladder. With the internet and mass availability of inappropriate content on unprecedented levels, pedophilia is quickly becoming pandemic. Does everyone slide down to the bottom? No, but enough to make it a serious problem and real threat to society. Enough to say "enough is enough" and pull the plug on it.

Yes but you are looking at this from a purely Christian standpoint. (Although I give you the title of the thread says your own country and not America or something like that)

Why shouldn't I look at it from a purely Christian standpoint?

So do credit cards, gambling etc. inappropriate content doesn't always ruin a marital relationship, some would tell you it enhances theirs. (I don't get that but ok). Credit Cards don't always ruin a marital relationship but they often enough do. And actually stasitically speaking they are more likely to ruin the average marriage then inappropriate content.

You just make statistics up off the top of your head, don't you Kirk?

Marriages that fail often site money issues as the number one reason for the failure. But most of the time money is just the "safe ground" that couples chose to vent their problems with one another about. As a divorce lawyer, I know that inappropriate contentography is a huge problem in many marriages and leads to distrust, disrespect, isolation, and separation. Couples are often hesitant to talk about it. Wives are embarassed because they see it as a statement about themselves (they think it means they are sexually unattractive) and men wish to hide their sin. (And let's face it, inappropriate contentography can be a problem for women too, but it is far more likely to be men with the problem).

Ok I should probably note that when I was thinking of this I was thinking of America.

So was I because I'm in America and the OP asked what we would change about the country we are in.
 
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Disagreeing with me... Illegal! :)
Ala Vladimir Putin...

I would like to:
End the drug war.

Make harsher penalties for cyber crime and crimes against animals.

Make it illegal to advertise drugs (prescription or otherwise) on TV

Force defense attorneys to swear that they believe their client is innocent before commencing a trial or not take the case. Ask the same (professing belief in guilt of the accused) of the prosecutors.

Legalize prostitution in certain areas but force johns to first hear a presentation(not presented by the hooker) detailing the christian perspective/consequences of adultery, as well as that of one other religion.

Ban inappropriate content

Have disclaimers on all political ads saying "this person will say whatever it takes to get elected"
 
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Interesting, I usually agree with Tamara on most things, but as far as Marijuana:

http://www.marijuana-addiction.net/

Just one reference. I've known people, one be a very good friend, that had an addiction to marijuana. Also, as far as the medical uses, there are hundreds of drugs that are more effective for vision, pain killing, etc, without the side effects.

And who said they'd outlaw hate crimes? Define hate crimes, way too subjective.
 
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Interesting, I usually agree with Tamara on most things, but as far as Marijuana:

http://www.marijuana-addiction.net/

Just one reference. I've known people, one be a very good friend, that had an addiction to marijuana. Also, as far as the medical uses, there are hundreds of drugs that are more effective for vision, pain killing, etc, without the side effects.

Well if you define addiction as "an uncontrollable urge to possess and use the drug" then you can call it an addiction. .... But I did already note that there is a pyschological addiction to marijuana... just not a physical addiction. There is a difference. The addiction as defined on that website is the pyschological kind.

As far as medical uses... there is no substance known to man that is more effective in treating nausea and loss of appetite. That is why it is so effective for chemo patients. As far as pain relieving goes... there are many types of pain, from many sources and no two people respond the same way to the same pain relievers. Marijuana may be more effective in some kinds of pain and in some patients than others. As far as in comparison to asprin and other OTC pain relievers, the number one plus is that it doesn't irritate the stomach or cause stomach or liver problems.

For more see here.

And what side effects? Dry mouth (oh horror, people will drink a lot of fluids, how terrible for sick people! :p)? A bit of laziness? Increased appetite? (Really really bad for sick people to get nutrition and rest :p).


FTR: I'm not a dopehead. I did a research paper on marijuana in college - when I started my thesis was how terrible it is for people. After doing the research, though, I discovered that it's really really not. Compared to alcohol, marijuana is much safer. And I think alcohol is a blessing. It can be abused - as can all things - but the possibility of abuse doesn't justify making it illegal.
 
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What would you outlaw that's legal in the country you live in now? What would you legalize that's not legal in the country you live in now?

What would I outlaw? Same-sex marriage. :sigh:
 
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Agreed as to serial killers. But there are A LOT of pedophiles out there who started with soft core inappropriate content and worked their way down the ladder. With the internet and mass availability of inappropriate content on unprecedented levels, pedophilia is quickly becoming pandemic. Does everyone slide down to the bottom? No, but enough to make it a serious problem and real threat to society. Enough to say "enough is enough" and pull the plug on it.
Again, how would you define softcore inappropriate content? It's very hard to do without stepping on legitimate art. If you're going to stop the buck, it would be easier to do so from a legal standpoint by doing so at hardcore inappropriate content, not softcore.
 
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Abortion - illegal in all cases (it's murder folks, you can't get around that)

Gay "marriages" or "civil unions" - no more

inappropriate content - illegal


I know that the judicial system is not the same as the legislative (law making), but here are some ideas for punishments:

1. If you sexually abuse, molest, rape, etc, you're castrated after the first offense. This wouldn't apply to anyone under 18. Lose your winkie, betcha won't do it again.

2. If you steal, ya lose a finger. And you aren't under general anesthesia.

3. If you commit a crime with a vehicle (whether DUI or a collision) you lose your license the FIRST time. Being a crappy driver should be a crime because it puts the rest of us at risk.

I'll think of more later!

You'd probably enjoy living in an Islamic state.
 
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Obviously you've done a lot more research on this then I have but I do become very uncomfortable about illegalizing inappropriate contentography much like I would with firearms or anything else.

Taking away freedoms including freedom to harm yourself. And legislating morality is not my view of what America should be.
 
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Well libertarian as I am, I dislike many things BUT I don't think it should be illegal, we aren't a theocracy nor should we act like one, so for that matter what SHOULDN'T be illegal: inappropriate content , abortion, prostitution, gay marriage, free speech, marijuana for personal or medical use for that matter, nor should there be incarceration for posession, or non-violent crimes. I favor a social rehabilitation program. ( I realize some of these like abortion or inappropriate content aren't illegal and I don't want to see that change no matter how much it saddens me).

Sex offenders I would love to see them confined to an island away from all of society for good. I particularly am speaking about child offenders.

I also think the death penalty should be illegal.

In this country I say NO to legislating morality and NO to a theocracy-no matter HOW appealing the current predominant religion thinks it is. If you don't agree, go live in a country where religiion/theocracy rules their legal system, then tell me how "wrong" we are in this country to afford the freedoms we do to EVERY member of society.
 
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If I was ruler of my own country, I would first make myself unquestioned ruler for life.
I would make the following illegal: abortion,inappropriate content,same-sex marriage, alcohol would be restricted,drunkeness would be a crime. Cussing or speaking filthy in public or to minors would be a crime.Prostitution and gambling would be a crime.
First offenses for any crime would be much harsher.
Those that rape and molest and so on would either get the death penalty or life in prison without the possibility of perole.
If you commit murder you should be given the same form of death as the victim.
Even if you are crazy or mentally handicaped and you commit a heinous crime you will at least spend the rest of your life in a mental hospital or prison.
If a child commits an adult crime like murder or rape they will be tried as an adult.
If you see someone in need of help and you turn your back on them you will spend some time in jail.
Adultry would be a crime.
Pre-marital sex would be crime.
The ten commandments would be enforced as law.
The only religion allowed to be practiced would be Christianity, unbelievers could live there and be treated as equals legally, but no other religions would be allowed to be practiced.
The Bible and prayer would be put back in schools.
More attention would be paid to the build up of the military and advances in technology.
Everyone would get medical care no matter what.
Teachers and Police and people who have real jobs would make more money than those that played sports for a "living"
Anyone who wanted to go to college could at prices they could afford.
Outrageous intrest on loans and such would be illegal.
That's all I could think of right now.
 
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If I was ruler of my own country, I would first make myself unquestioned ruler for life.
I would make the following illegal: abortion,inappropriate content,same-sex marriage, alcohol would be restricted,drunkeness would be a crime. Cussing or speaking filthy in public or to minors would be a crime.Prostitution and gambling would be a crime.
First offenses for any crime would be much harsher.
Those that rape and molest and so on would either get the death penalty or life in prison without the possibility of perole.
If you commit murder you should be given the same form of death as the victim.
Even if you are crazy or mentally handicaped and you commit a heinous crime you will at least spend the rest of your life in a mental hospital or prison.
If a child commits an adult crime like murder or rape they will be tried as an adult.
If you see someone in need of help and you turn your back on them you will spend some time in jail.
Adultry would be a crime.
Pre-marital sex would be crime.
The ten commandments would be enforced as law.
The only religion allowed to be practiced would be Christianity, unbelievers could live there and be treated as equals legally, but no other religions would be allowed to be practiced.
The Bible and prayer would be put back in schools.
More attention would be paid to the build up of the military and advances in technology.
Everyone would get medical care no matter what.
Teachers and Police and people who have real jobs would make more money than those that played sports for a "living"
Anyone who wanted to go to college could at prices they could afford.
Outrageous intrest on loans and such would be illegal.
That's all I could think of right now.

Ok, I sincerely say this, this has got to be the scariest post I have EVER read on a forum. It totally freaks me out that people think this way. For real? I'm going to bed. This is to much for me to wrap my head around.
 
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Well libertarian as I am, I dislike many things BUT I don't think it should be illegal, we aren't a theocracy nor should we act like one, so for that matter what SHOULDN'T be illegal: inappropriate content , abortion, prostitution, gay marriage, free speech, marijuana for personal or medical use for that matter, nor should there be incarceration for posession, or non-violent crimes. I favor a social rehabilitation program. ( I realize some of these like abortion or inappropriate content aren't illegal and I don't want to see that change no matter how much it saddens me).

Sex offenders I would love to see them confined to an island away from all of society for good. I particularly am speaking about child offenders.

I also think the death penalty should be illegal.

In this country I say NO to legislating morality and NO to a theocracy-no matter HOW appealing the current predominant religion thinks it is. If you don't agree, go live in a country where religiion/theocracy rules their legal system, then tell me how "wrong" we are in this country to afford the freedoms we do to EVERY member of society.

The bolded is a good one. I'd make the death penalty illegal as well.
 
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Dang, I would've been screwed during my teen years then.

LOL, at the double entendre.

I thought of another law for my country. The death penality would be enforced on people who put those awful sensor activated water faucets in public restrooms. I am sure if God had given us an 11th comandment it would have been something about those things being an abomination before the LORD.
 
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If I was ruler of my own country, I would first make myself unquestioned ruler for life.
I would make the following illegal: abortion,inappropriate content,same-sex marriage, alcohol would be restricted,drunkeness would be a crime. Cussing or speaking filthy in public or to minors would be a crime.Prostitution and gambling would be a crime.
First offenses for any crime would be much harsher.
Those that rape and molest and so on would either get the death penalty or life in prison without the possibility of perole.
If you commit murder you should be given the same form of death as the victim.
Even if you are crazy or mentally handicaped and you commit a heinous crime you will at least spend the rest of your life in a mental hospital or prison.
If a child commits an adult crime like murder or rape they will be tried as an adult.
If you see someone in need of help and you turn your back on them you will spend some time in jail.
Adultry would be a crime.
Pre-marital sex would be crime.
The ten commandments would be enforced as law.
The only religion allowed to be practiced would be Christianity, unbelievers could live there and be treated as equals legally, but no other religions would be allowed to be practiced.
The Bible and prayer would be put back in schools.
More attention would be paid to the build up of the military and advances in technology.
Everyone would get medical care no matter what.
Teachers and Police and people who have real jobs would make more money than those that played sports for a "living"
Anyone who wanted to go to college could at prices they could afford.
Outrageous intrest on loans and such would be illegal.
That's all I could think of right now.

I'm with overit here... This is truly scary.

As for my country:
Abortion would be legal (or stay legal) with the exception of late-term abortions.
Gay marriage would be legal and would be given all of the same rights and privileges as heterosexual marriage.
Drinking age would be 18 OR voting and serving in the military would be 21, I haven't decided which, I just think they should be the same. If you can vote and die for your country you should be able to buy a drink wherever you please.
Legalize prostitution
Harsher sentences for violent offenders (rape, murder, etc)
Sex ed in the schools would be comprehensive.
More money would be given to fund scientific research and advancement, including space exploration.

That's all I can think of for now.
 
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I thought of another law for my country. The death penality would be enforced on people who put those awful sensor activated water faucets in public restrooms. I am sure if God had given us an 11th comandment it would have been something about those things being an abomination before the LORD.

LOL I hate those things! Ditto goes for automatic toilets. ^_^
 
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1. More resources allocated to technology innovation and intellectual property protection

2. Harsher punishment to those who violated working ethics especially those who work in scientific research and public media

3. Ban death penalty

4. Ban smoking in public area or in closed space where there are minors

5. Legalize (with certain restrictions) "consential crimes" such as drug using, gambling and prostitution; Legalize euthanasia but only upon the explicit request from people with proven sanity
 
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