The Word Of God Is Against Homo's; Gays

gengwall · May 16, 2008

selfinflikted said:
Gengwall, you're such a buzzkill the past few days What's up witht that? You're usually one of the more pleasant christians here.

I AM just a big crab lately. I have suspicions why, but nothing I can share here.

But be serious. If you had started a thread about, say, how judgemental "fundies" are, and then those very same Christians started posting, in your thread, "woe is me" comments and group hugs while complaining how persecuted and misunderstood they are and how hard their life is, wouldn't it about make you wanna puke? It's just way too much schmaltz for me to take on a Friday, especially when...while, never mind.

selfinflikted · May 16, 2008

gengwall said:
I AM just a big crab lately. I have suspicions why, but nothing I can share here. But be serious. If you had started a thread about, say, how judgemental "fundies" are, and then those very same Christians started posting, in your thread, "woe is me" comments and group hugs while complaining how persecuted and misunderstood they are and how hard their life is, wouldn't it about make you wanna puke? It's just way too much schmaltz for me to take on a Friday, especially when...while, never mind.

I can understand, sure. But you don't have to poop on others' parades. Don't worry, we'll include you in the (((hugzzz))).

gengwall · May 16, 2008

selfinflikted said:
I can understand, sure. But you don't have to poop on others' parades. Don't worry, we'll include you in the (((hugzzz))).

Actually, I will share one thing. I got a little bent out of shape from some of the stuff said in Trevorocity's thread and it is just making me antagonistic and cynical on a number of fronts (and toward the whole range of participants) on any threads dealing with homosexuality. Enough said. I will leave further discussion of that to the afore mentioned thread. I may just have to step away for a while until I can be more civil. I appologize for the sarcastic and biting remarks that have spilled out of me over the last couple days.

HannahBanana · May 16, 2008

gengwall said:
If you had started a thread about, say, how judgemental "fundies" are, and then those very same Christians started posting, in your thread, "woe is me" comments and group hugs while complaining how persecuted and misunderstood they are and how hard their life is, wouldn't it about make you wanna puke?

Jeez, sorry for telling the truth about my life as a bisexual. I'll be sure to always be happy and chipper in any future posts. (Sarcasm.)

FaithLikeARock · May 16, 2008

I'm celibate Hannah, so I see where you're coming from. I think it's ironic that the very same people who say homosexuals should be celibate criticize those who are celibate for "not having babies like God intended". They apparently forget that the greatest figures of the Bible were never married.

gengwall · May 16, 2008

FaithLikeARock said:
I'm celibate Hannah, so I see where you're coming from. I think it's ironic that the very same people who say homosexuals should be celibate criticize those who are celibate for "not having babies like God intended". They apparently forget that the greatest figures of the Bible were never married.

I assume you refer to Jesus, and probably Paul (although there are many who believe he must have been married at some point given his position in the Jewish hierarchy.) I can't think of any other great figures in the bible, especially the OT, who weren't married.

FaithLikeARock · May 16, 2008

How about ALL OF THE DISCIPLES? Timothy I believe never married.

Also, Paul stressed celibacy and said that he wished all could remain celibate and follow only God so if he did marry, his a hypocrite and I will not follow his teachings. Luckily there is no proof of this.

gengwall · May 16, 2008

FaithLikeARock said:
How about ALL OF THE DISCIPLES? Timothy I believe never married.

Also, Paul stressed celibacy and said that he wished all could remain celibate and follow only God so if he did marry, his a hypocrite and I will not follow his teachings. Luckily there is no proof of this.

1 Cor 9:5 says specifically that Peter was married and alludes to "the rest of the apostles and the brothers of the lord" being married. In all likelyhood, all of them or at the very least a great majority were married.

I said Paul was probably married "at some time" during his leadership period in the Jewish religious circles. His commentary on celibacy is in relation to working for the Lord, post conversion, but it does not condemn marriage. It is practically unthinkable that he would have risen to his position amongst the religious hierarchy without being married.

HannahBanana · May 16, 2008

FaithLikeARock said:
I'm celibate Hannah, so I see where you're coming from. I think it's ironic that the very same people who say homosexuals should be celibate criticize those who are celibate for "not having babies like God intended". They apparently forget that the greatest figures of the Bible were never married.

Yeah, I'm planning on being celibate for much (if not all) of my life, too, due to the fact that I'm just uncomfortable spending long amounts of time with other people, which means that romantic relationships are pretty much out of the question for me. So I totally feel your pain. :hug:

EDIT: And thanks, by the way. LOL, I can't believe I almost forgot to thank you. :doh:

selfinflikted · May 16, 2008

gengwall said:
Actually, I will share one thing. I got a little bent out of shape from some of the stuff said in Trevorocity's thread and it is just making me antagonistic and cynical on a number of fronts (and toward the whole range of participants) on any threads dealing with homosexuality. Enough said. I will leave further discussion of that to the afore mentioned thread. I may just have to step away for a while until I can be more civil. I appologize for the sarcastic and biting remarks that have spilled out of me over the last couple days.

There's no hard feelings on my part. We all have (gasp!) lives apart from CF where real life things happen. It's no sweat man, hope you feel better and get whatev's wrong sorted out

mpok1519 · May 16, 2008

~sigh~

You're a sinner too, y'know.

Why spread awareness of just one sin?

Why spread awarenes of sin? everyone is already aware of sin.

Why not just love?

Its not like someone comes out and starts pointing the finger at sinners and blaming them for problems f the world and how they only create schisms in christianity.

Alcoholism is something thats frowned upon, but you don't hear preachers EVERY sunday preaching against it, like MANY do with homosexuals simply because its a hot political topic, and theres not much of another reason.

mrghost · May 16, 2008

I have my own sins to deal with, The World is full of all types. I never mentioned just one in the first thread, There are quite a few listed, But then Again Here we go, people can read something and only see what they want, I call It self Delusion. Sin, To much Sugar is real bad for you, Overeating is a sin against yourself. Driving while drunk is a can be a very deadly sin. To some eating Pork is Sin, Sex outside of marriage is it sin ? To eat a Eagle after he just ate a mouse with the plauge that's a Sin. knowing to do good and not doing it Thats a sin. But going to hell for refusing to hear the truth is deadly of the worst sort. Leaving children to starve thats a sin and a crime. Bearing false witness thats a sin. Man or Women having sex with animals is a deadly sin and may be where Aids got its start. Children being born out of wedlock with aids thats a sin, thats hard to bare. A person lusting after another That is a Sin. Killing someone to take their money thats a sin, Money is not the root of evil, It's what a person will do to get money that where the sin is. A girl selling her body to buy her crack thats a sin. Taking too much of your perscription at one time that is a sin. The lust of the eye is never full or satified Solomon Proverbs, To put your lust before the will of God Thats a Sin. If your wife tell you to get off the cordless phone in a lighting storm, then she's a redneck...Mrghost

HannahBanana · May 16, 2008

MrGhost, care to explain just what exactly it is about homosexuality that is so sinful?

Here are a few misconceptions that I'd like to clear up for you before you do:

-Homosexuality is not a choice.
-Homosexuals are no more sexually promiscuous than heterosexuals are.
-Not all homosexuals have AIDS, and plenty of heterosexuals have AIDS as well.
-There is no "gay agenda." Gays want nothing more than to have the exact same rights as straights do.
-Growing up with gay parents won't turn you gay any more than growing up with straight parents will turn you straight. (And I myself am a bisexual who grew up with straight parents.)
-There is no way to "turn yourself straight," and this claim is proven by the extremely low success rates of "ex-gay" camps.

So, care to tell us what exactly about homosexuality is so sinful?

selfinflikted · May 16, 2008

mpok1519 said:
~sigh~

You're a sinner too, y'know.

Why spread awareness of just one sin?

Why spread awarenes of sin? everyone is already aware of sin.

Why not just love?

Its not like someone comes out and starts pointing the finger at sinners and blaming them for problems f the world and how they only create schisms in christianity.

Alcoholism is something thats frowned upon, but you don't hear preachers EVERY sunday preaching against it, like MANY do with homosexuals simply because its a hot political topic, and theres not much of another reason.

Two possibilities:

1) This is a "sin" for which they can fill themselves will self-righteousness. It's something they can condemn without fear of being tempted by the very same "sin".

2) A diversion to keep the heat off their own sexual insecurites.

FaithLikeARock · May 16, 2008

gengwall said:
1 Cor 9:5 says specifically that Peter was married and alludes to "the rest of the apostles and the brothers of the lord" being married. In all likelyhood, all of them or at the very least a great majority were married.

I said Paul was probably married "at some time" during his leadership period in the Jewish religious circles. His commentary on celibacy is in relation to working for the Lord, post conversion, but it does not condemn marriage. It is practically unthinkable that he would have risen to his position amongst the religious hierarchy without being married.

I never said it condemned marriage.

And yet they left those wives to follow Jesus. I believe that says something. Besides, that verse is hardly specific. I barely understood it in context reading it so I don't know how you gather anything specific. I'd also like to know why Peter is called Cephas, because who knows how that could alter the meaning of the post.

Anglian · May 16, 2008

I much preferred :groupray:

to the

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I can understand that those who have been hurt by the attitude of some Christians on this subject should assume that all Christians who take the view that homosexual activity is sinful share that attitude; but it is not so.

My Church, like many others, takes the age old view that it is one of the sins of the flesh. We do not elevate it to any great place in the hierarchy of sins; we remember we are all sinners and all are God's children; we also recall Christ's advice that we should love one another. To hate anyone is to go against the great commandment of Christ. He told us that people would know we were His children by the love we had for one another. I fail to understand how any Christian can hate any person.

Moreover, for those of us who take the view of the Church on this seriously, we should remember that in living in lifelong celibacy, those who are homosexual bear a greater cross than those of us whose sexual sins are fornication and adultery.

For those who are not Christians, the seeming obsession of some Christians with this subject becomes just another reason to distrust Christianity. As I have commented before, I'd be grateful if someone could explain this western obsession with homosexuality as some special sin. Why??

:groupray:

Anglian

Battie · May 16, 2008

mrghost said:
Simon & grafunkel's Song People only hear what they want to and dis-regard the rest. THE BIBLE INTERPETS IT SELF, READ MY POST ON SOME thing in the Bible are hidden. There is no private interptation of the Bible the more you read it the more the puzzles unfold. I never said Homo was the number one sin everyone else Assumed that, Cause they cant hear of comprehend the deeper things of God. Because they don't want to. You will never see the full truth untill you do a full surrender to God, And if your heart is set only on your own lust, then you are lost. Repent and turn from your evil ways, and He will bless you. Untill then, you are just stumbling around in the dark reading between the line full of guilt.getting everything thing out of context, and bending the scriptures to suit your lusts. Pray. Mrghost....

Oh, dear! It saddens me to see such a beautiful song at "The Boxer" misquoted and one of its lines taken completely out of context. Consider:

I am just a poor boy,though my story's seldom told
I have squandered my resistance
for a pocket full of mumbled "Such are promises"
All lies and jests. Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest.

That doesn't remotely fit in with what you're saying. It's almost the opposite of what you're saying. I wouldn't be so uptight, but such brilliant wordsmiths deserve better consideration.

mrghost · May 16, 2008

22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

Anglian · May 16, 2008

Dear mrghost,

Those of us who accept this are already convinced. Those who don't will ask why you don't abide by the dietary restrictions in Leviticus and where, in what you quote, it says a woman should not lie with a woman?

In short, you are preaching to the converted on one side and to the unconvertible on the other. Do you follow the word of the Lord in loving these fellow sinners?

Peace,

Anglian

HannahBanana · May 16, 2008

MrGhost, is there any reason why you haven't responded to post #73 yet? I'd really appreciate it if you would respond to that post. Thanks.

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