The Islamification of Europe

Museveni · May 16, 2008

Rallies teeming with Muslims holding up signs calling for the destruction of Europe, "your 9/11 is on its way," "exterminate those who criticize Islam."

Actully I compared the people present at that rally w/ the total population in the UK at the time and less then 0.001% of the muslim population was present. But then again Islam is bound to have its idiots and the culture of the middle-east is very "honor" bound so any insult will be taking very personal by some.

Here's where a filmmaker named Theo van Gogh was assassinated:

Theo Van Gogh was an a''hole and quite frankly got what he had coming to him. He's also a "Troll" who did controversial movies not becuase he "believed" in anything but becuase it generates lots of publicity that boosts his ego. The movie in question was even flawed as it targetet "African Islam" wich is full of all kinds of Tribal traditions that lives on. Kinda like with Christianity and Christmas. Even most dutch that I've talked to dislike him severly. There was actully a politican murdered by muslims who was much more important then Van Gogh but people dont like to mention him since he's about as close to the nazis that you can get(he had less then favorable things to say about the jews aswell).

Muslim immigrants bringing their misogyny to Europe and killing women:

Nothing to do with Islam. "honor killings" is common among all religions around the mideterran sea. Jews/christians/muslims/etc killing their daughters and wifes becuase they "tarnish" the families reputation and honor. Israel is about the only country where its not that common(possibly among more fundamentalist groups) and in most European countries its nowdays gone to the more "humane" treatment of simply throwing the girls out on the street and never letting them into the family again. But never the less so-called Honor Killings is not a product of Islam nor is it more common among Muslims. Atleast if you count in percent.

A Swedish woman gang-raped by Muslims:

Link?

More Muslim rapes in Australia. Of course, it's all the fault of the women...

Ok so you actully managed to find one genuine "evil" muslim. Good work

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/Ronbo/Ronbo6/rape_victim1.jpg

Doesnt say anywhere that the boys are muslims or did what they did cuase they are muslims. Unless ofcourse you believe in some sort of wierd statistic that all the people there are muslim. Even if that were the case we can always pull the good ol' Christian Right-Wing card and say that they were not "True Muslims"(tm) like they do everytime someone brings up Christianities past transgressions. Even if putting her on trail for sex outside of marriage is pretty damn stupid. But that is a judicial problem. Just for the record the case mentioned was taken befor the "Criminal" court and not the Sharia one as the Sharia court will only settle disputes among muslims and not muslims and people of other faiths.

An example of Muslim immigrants' tolerance for the religions of the countries kind enough to take them in...here's a priest beaten in the name of Mohammed:

Link? Since that can be a picture of anyone.

Ofcourse there are problems with to many conservative elements within Islam but just as Europe had its enlightenment where the shackles of the church on the mind and soul of people were cast off Islam is having its "enlightenment". Even if it is painfully slow at times and aggression will only fuel the fire of those who seek to prevent it. Showing them why something is "wrong" and then showing them a better alternative is gonna do alot more the change the conservatives inside Islam then just screaming "YOUR WRONG" at them and then try to bully them into change. Ofcourse there will always be people who'll resist but eventually they'll be a minority and just like in the West they'll be nothing more the angry, grumpy old men whinning about the "Fall of Society" while sitting in their corner.

Kalevalatar · May 16, 2008

TheNewWorldMan said:
A Swedish woman gang-raped by Muslims:

More Muslim rapes in Australia. Of course, it's all the fault of the women...
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/australias-top-muslim-blames-women-for-sex-attacks

So not at all unlike, say, the brave U.S. GIs representing the Christian side of the world by gang raping a 12-old Japanese 6th-grader:

3 U.S. Servicemen Convicted Of Rape of Okinawa Girl

Or 14-old Japanese girls:

U.S. working to ease tensions in Japan rape case

Or generally gang raping not just minors but those Okinawa women regardless of age:

Japanese Woman Gang-Raped by GIs

In Iraq, it's a different ball game for those "onward" US soldiers representing the Christian side of the world. For instance, the 14-year-old Iraqi girl:

Troops 'took turns' to rape Iraqi

She was gang raped, murdered and burnt, and her parents and her younger sister were also murdered and burnt.

I think we should be much more worried about the real problem, which is that spousal abuse and rape in Christian Finland is far too common. When Finnish baptized Christian husbands beat their wives and Finnish baptized Christian men rape Finnish women, it would be ridiculous to get all worked up by an abstract threat of some scary "Muslim" men coming here to "gang rape" all us pretty blondes. I mean, please, allow me to laugh at the idea.

jgarden · May 16, 2008

SpyridonOCA said:
There is little comparison between white, European, Christian culture and Islamic culture. It would take a self-hating Westerner to accuse the two of moral equivalence.

You're right - based on the 20thC there is little comparison or moral equivalence.

I suppose that it was those "brown," evil Islamic nations, and not the supposed peace-loving "white, European, Christian culture" that was primarily responsible for WW1 and WW2. :bow:

Oliver · May 16, 2008

TheNewWorldMan said:
If you want to discuss European history in the Renaissance, please start another thread. This thread is about contemporary Europe.

His [Spyridon] post was refering to the Europeans on the 17th century, not contemporary Europe.

Sphere · May 16, 2008

TheNewWorldMan said:
Do I really need to spell this out for you? Rallies teeming with Muslims holding up signs calling for the destruction of Europe, "your 9/11 is on its way," "exterminate those who criticize Islam."

Obviously I do, so here goes:

Okay...now I'm waiting for the inevitable Muslim apologists' response that these are all "isolated incidents."

Pictures and movies are nice and all, but I could just as easily slap down some pictures of fundamentalist mormons, WBC, the KKK, ect and then say "See that? Christians are dangerous and we need to monitor them". So I'll pose my questions again:

What percentage of Muslims moving to "the West" are radicalized, terrorist sympathizers or potentially dangerous?

What percentage of Muslims currently residing in "the West" ARE radicalized, terrorist sympathizers or potentially dangerous?

Let's see some data and statistics to back up your claims. Not emotional pictures. Thanks.

LonesomeTexan · May 16, 2008

God have mercy. The muslims have been at this crap for centuries. Every couple hundred years, we wipe them out. The perpetual cycle of muslim extremism has been in place since the 8th century. After being killed off and slaughtered, they reproduce, regain their numbers, and continue on their quest for global domination. This time around, the world is a much more dangerous place. If they were to secure a nuke, there is no doubt in my mind that they'd turn it on Israel and the Western world.

The PC liberal culture has warped the minds of so many. Pick up a history book. Appeasement didn't work with the Nazis. What makes you think it'll work with radical Islam? Wake the hell up people. I can't wait till we go to war with Iran. I'd love to see them wiped off the face of the earth. Islam is the scum of the earth. The religion of peace huh? Try telling that to the people who have lost their heads, toes, fingers, genitals, ect... to this so called "religion". Muslims disgust me. Anyone who could worship a pedophile is a sick person in my book.

Nathan Poe · May 16, 2008

LonesomeTexan said:
God have mercy. The muslims have been at this crap for centuries. Every couple hundred years, we wipe them out.

Apparantly not good enough. Have you considered learning from History?

The perpetual cycle of muslim extremism has been in place since the 8th century. After being killed off and slaughtered, they reproduce, regain their numbers, and continue on their quest for global domination. This time around, the world is a much more dangerous place. If they were to secure a nuke, there is no doubt in my mind that they'd turn it on Israel and the Western world.

Got a Solution to this? Previous attempts at extermination have proven fruitless -- perhaps you'll come up with something more... Final?

The PC liberal culture has warped the minds of so many. Pick up a history book. Appeasement didn't work with the Nazis. What makes you think it'll work with radical Islam? Wake the hell up people. I can't wait till we go to war with Iran. I'd love to see them wiped off the face of the earth. Islam is the scum of the earth. The religion of peace huh? Try telling that to the people who have lost their heads, toes, fingers, genitals, ect... to this so called "religion". Muslims disgust me. Anyone who could worship a pedophile is a sick person in my book.

Wake me when you actually propose to do something about it. :yawn:

Sphere · May 16, 2008

LonesomeTexan said:
The muslims have been at this crap for centuries.

Wrong.

LonesomeTexan said:
Every couple hundred years, we wipe them out.

Wrong.

LonesomeTexan said:
The perpetual cycle of muslim extremism has been in place since the 8th century.

Wrong.

LonesomeTexan said:
After being killed off and slaughtered, they reproduce, regain their numbers, and continue on their quest for global domination.

Wrong.

LonesomeTexan said:
If they were to secure a nuke, there is no doubt in my mind that they'd turn it on Israel and the Western world.

Wrong.

LonesomeTexan said:
Islam is the scum of the earth. The religion of peace huh? Try telling that to the people who have lost their heads, toes, fingers, genitals, ect... to this so called "religion". Muslims disgust me. Anyone who could worship a pedophile is a sick person in my book.

It's really mind boggling that you managed to cram so much nonsense, lies and filth into one post. But I suppose, when you're seething with hatred and utterly clueless about the religion, it's history, and it's people, that's to be expected. David Duke would be so proud of you.

Next time before you before you butcher history, you might try actually learning it. It will spare you the embarrassment of making a total and complete fool of yourself.

TheNewWorldMan · May 16, 2008

Criminology said:
Pictures and movies are nice and all, but I could just as easily slap down some pictures of fundamentalist mormons, WBC, the KKK, ect and then say "See that? Christians are dangerous and we need to monitor them". So I'll pose my questions again

Okay, if anyone commits a crime against you, I'll use your logic to get them off the hook. Let's say someone breaks into your house, beats you, and steals your TV. At the trial I'll say, "well, there was a break-in down the street last week, so since there's more than one criminal at work in this neighborhood, none can be held responsible."

Sound like a plan?

Folks, note the goalpost-shifting that Muslim apologists use to justify or minimize the wicked acts committed in the name of Islam. First they try and deny there's any problem with Islam...then, when someone comes along and posts several links and pictures from multiple continents to back the accusations against Islam, the argument then shifts to, "well, Christians are bad too!"

LonesomeTexan said:
I can't wait till we go to war with Iran. I'd love to see them wiped off the face of the earth. Islam is the scum of the earth. The religion of peace huh? Try telling that to the people who have lost their heads, toes, fingers, genitals, ect... to this so called "religion". Muslims disgust me. Anyone who could worship a pedophile is a sick person in my book.

Agreed about the anyone who could worship a pedophile being sick (of course, one of Mohammed's great claims to fame is that he's the only adult male to have sex with a 9 year old girl and yet enjoy immunity from the "pedophile" label here on politically-correct Christian Forums). But I can't go along with the notion of just wiping Iran off the face of the earth. There are Christians there, as well as Zorastrians and even Jews. Not to mention that simply exterminating one's enemies is un-Christian.

We should be tough with Iran and certainly reserve the right to a vigorous riposte if us or Israel are attacked. I also would support surgical strikes if needed to keep Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.

Museveni · May 16, 2008

TheNewWorldMan · May 16, 2008

Museveni said:
I've always wondered where this little piece of lie comes from.

Source.

Museveni · May 16, 2008

TheNewWorldMan said:
Source.

Still makes her about 2 years older then the avarage marital age in Europe at the time. By todays standards it would seem perverted but in the 6th century it was pretty much common practice so calling him a pedophile would be way of actully unless you admit that just about every man at the time was a pedophile.

Sphere · May 16, 2008

TheNewWorldMan said:
Okay, if anyone commits a crime against you, I'll use your logic to get them off the hook. Let's say someone breaks into your house, beats you, and steals your TV. At the trial I'll say, "well, there was a break-in down the street last week, so since there's more than one criminal at work in this neighborhood, none can be held responsible."

Where did I say we cannot hold radical muslims responsible? I challenge you right now to quote me where I said we should not hold radical muslims responsible.

TheNewWorldMan said:
Folks, note the goalpost-shifting that Muslim apologists use to justify or minimize the wicked acts committed in the name of Islam.

What goal shifting? I asked that you substantiate an assertion of yours.

Is it that you believe you should be able to make up anything you want, no matter how absurd it is, and assume it'll be accepted as honest and legitimate?

TheNewWorldMan said:
First they try and deny there's any problem with Islam...then

There is no problem with Islam. There is a problem with individuals who have fundamentalist beliefs. They adhere to all religions, not just Islam.

TheNewWorldMan said:
, when someone comes along and posts several links and pictures from multiple continents to back the accusations against Islam, the argument then shifts to, "well, Christians are bad too!"

I don't understand, is your reading comprehension severely degraded? That was never the argument at all. I was pointing out the absurdity of you using emotional pictures as "evidence" for your assertion, by saying that similar tactics can be used to demonize ANY religion--including Christianity.

So, lets get back to my original question, which you have failed to answer. To jog your selective memory, you said:

TheNewWorldMan said:

But the ones I can't stand are the ones who come to the West to escape the poverty and violence in their homelands...and then proceed to bring [...] regressive...CRAP...over to their new homes.

Click to expand...

I asked you to substantiate that claim.

How many muslims who come to the west are radical, or bring radical beliefs with them?

Can you substantiate your claim at all? Or did you just make it up?

Nathan Poe · May 16, 2008

TheNewWorldMan said:
Okay, if anyone commits a crime against you, I'll use your logic to get them off the hook. Let's say someone breaks into your house, beats you, and steals your TV. At the trial I'll say, "well, there was a break-in down the street last week, so since there's more than one criminal at work in this neighborhood, none can be held responsible."

Sound like a plan?

Beats using your logic here: "Well, we know the general religious/ethnic background of the criminal, so let's just round them all up, because we know a few of them are surely guilty... of something or other."

Sound like a plan -- and a historically familiar one at that?

Folks, note the goalpost-shifting that Muslim apologists use to justify or minimize the wicked acts committed in the name of Islam. First they try and deny there's any problem with Islam...then, when someone comes along and posts several links and pictures from multiple continents to back the accusations against Islam, the argument then shifts to, "well, Christians are bad too!"

Running around holding up signs, screaming bloody murder -- clearly wicked wicked deeds deserving of extermination.

We should be tough with Iran and certainly reserve the right to a vigorous riposte if us or Israel are attacked. I also would support surgical strikes if needed to keep Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.

And yet, Islam will continue to flourish.

Kalevalatar · May 16, 2008

TheNewWorldMan said:
Folks, note the goalpost-shifting that Muslim apologists use to justify or minimize the wicked acts committed in the name of Islam. First they try and deny there's any problem with Islam...then, when someone comes along and posts several links and pictures from multiple continents to back the accusations against Islam, the argument then shifts to, "well, Christians are bad too!"

Well, clearly the problem isn't just Muslim men but men in general and specifically pitiful petty little men who get their petty little power kicks by raping and abusing women. Not that it matters whether it's a small minority of men since it's all about grand generalizations and preverse tabloid sensationalism anyways, isn't it? I mean, that poor Swedish woman being gang-raped by Muslims... I bet no Swedish girl has ever been gang-raped by a born-and-bred blue-eyed Swedish men. Well of course not! Because we all know all Swedish men are gay and would not even know what to do with a woman!

So, in order to save the Finnish women, in order to save the Swedish and Australian women, in fact, in order to save Europe and the human kind in general, maybe we should expand on the Final Solution®, corral all the men on an atoll and just nuke it, because all men are rapist scums anyway, just study the history and thank you for proving me right.

TheNewWorldMan · May 16, 2008

Kalevalatar said:
Well, clearly the problem isn't just Muslim men but men in general and specifically pitiful petty little men who get their petty little power kicks by raping and abusing women. Not that it matters whether it's a small minority of men since it's all about grand generalizations and preverse tabloid sensationalism anyways, isn't it? I mean, that poor Swedish woman being gang-raped by Muslims... I bet no Swedish girl has ever been gang-raped by a born-and-bred blue-eyed Swedish men. Well of course not! Because we all know all Swedish men are gay and would not even know what to do with a woman!

But I'll bet you when a Christian man or group of men rape a woman, Christian leaders don't come out of the woodwork to say she deserved it. And that's the difference. Sure, criminality cuts across religious lines, but some religious leaders condemn crimes committed by their followers, and others try to justify them.

Sphere · May 16, 2008

Will waiting for you to substantiate your claim TheNewWorldMan. I quoted it again on post #33.

I'm looking forward to seeing the empirical evidence, hard data and statistics that you'll use.

TheNewWorldMan · May 16, 2008

Criminology said:
Will waiting for you to substantiate your claim TheNewWorldMan. I quoted it again on post #33.

I'm looking forward to seeing the empirical evidence, hard data and statistics that you'll use.

I already posted evidence and examples from three continents. If that isn't good enough for you, you don't want to see the problem.

Face it: no matter what anyone posts, you're going to still say that Christianity is just as bad as Islam, and that Islam really isn't bad at all. You're following PC doctrine, not fact. PC doctrine is that all religions, philosophies, and belief systems are equally valid and "good" or "evil." Never mind that some consistently produce much better results than others.

I'll bet Islam hasn't yet destroyed anything or anyone you care about.

Sphere · May 16, 2008

Listen carefully, you posted pictures. PICTURES. Those pictures do not represent the ideology of ALL muslims, nor ALL of Islam. The religion is not monolithic. Muslims are not monolithic.

Do you know what 'monolithic' means?

How is it that you are totally incapable of seeing why generalizations are not rational arguments?

How is it that you are totally incapable of seeing why simply saying "MUSLIMS ARE BAD BECAUSE I SAY SO" is not a rational argument?

As for my question: Since you are unwilling (rather, incapable) of substantiating your claims, we can surmise that they're actually false, and were just made up on the spot.

TheNewWorldMan · May 16, 2008

Criminology said:
As for my question: Since you are unwilling (rather, incapable) of substantiating your claims, we can surmise that they're actually false, and were just made up on the spot.

The fact that we're missing two very large office buildings in Manhattan alone substantiates that Islam has a screw loose. Unless you think 9/11 was all invented to smear your beloved Islam and that there are holographic projectors beaming empty sky where the World Trade Center still stands.

But the crimes of Islam go way, way beyond 9/11.

For one view of the carnage carried on by the followers of Mohammed, try this independent Web site:

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

And then answer the following question:

The vast majority of violent deaths in Iraq today are being carried out by:

a. Christians
b. Rosicrucians
c. Wiccans
d. Shintoists
e. Muslims

And note that the killings are not being carried out by people who incidentally just happen to follow that religion. They are being carried out by groups for whom that religion comprises a prime motivator for the acts in question.

Let's see...daily carnage in Iraq. Repression in Iran. Violent insurgency in Syria. Terrorism in Iran. Stoning of rape victims in Nigeria and other places. Bombing of embassies in Kenya and Uganda. Assassination in the Netherlands. Violent insurgency and terrorism in Thailand, Algeria, the Phillipines, Somalia, Iraq, Turkey, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and India. Genocide and mass rape in Sudan.

Yep, it's a local problem. There is nothing to see here. And if there is, Christians did the Crusades and the Romans threw slaves to the lions, so hey, one hand washes the other.

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