This is a very important article to read. For the preservation of Western civilization, we cannot allow Islam to co-opt our culture and civic life.
The Islamification of Europe
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This is a very important article to read. For the preservation of Western civilization, we cannot allow Islam to co-opt our culture and civic life.
There will be Europeans. They will run the show and call the shots, if the underclasses don't string them up first, that is.
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With declining population size and respect for traditional culture, Islam will overshadow Christianity as the dominant cultural force in Western Europe.
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GodsoldierClintus
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Here's an idea...why don't Christians start acting more like Christians the way Christ commanded. Perhaps then we won't be losing out to Islam.
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ScottishJohn
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I'm European, and I'm not really sold on this whole thing. Lots of fear and wild opinions being slung around, very little fact.
I grew up in a small seaside town. About 12,000 people. When I was about 16 and I wanted to save for a car, I started looking for a part time job. Because there were limited opportunities, I had zero experience and precious little aptitude, and my family had moved into the town, rather than having been born there, it was difficult to find anyone to take me on. It was eventually a newly arrived Muslim man from Turkey who took a chance on me and gave me a job in his kebab shop. I got better pay than my friends working for local businessmen, better leeway when I had exams and so on, and all the kebabs I could eat. The mullahs from the mosque used to come and visit my boss frequently, as did many of his other friends. I got invited to a few parties they had, and although I was young, opinionated and fairly ignorant of their beliefs, they showed me nothing but respect and kindness.
When I left to go to uni, this man phoned around kebab shops in my university town and got me a job there.
If we are going to have more people like that living in Europe, then it can only be a good thing.
I grew up in a small seaside town. About 12,000 people. When I was about 16 and I wanted to save for a car, I started looking for a part time job. Because there were limited opportunities, I had zero experience and precious little aptitude, and my family had moved into the town, rather than having been born there, it was difficult to find anyone to take me on. It was eventually a newly arrived Muslim man from Turkey who took a chance on me and gave me a job in his kebab shop. I got better pay than my friends working for local businessmen, better leeway when I had exams and so on, and all the kebabs I could eat. The mullahs from the mosque used to come and visit my boss frequently, as did many of his other friends. I got invited to a few parties they had, and although I was young, opinionated and fairly ignorant of their beliefs, they showed me nothing but respect and kindness.
When I left to go to uni, this man phoned around kebab shops in my university town and got me a job there.
If we are going to have more people like that living in Europe, then it can only be a good thing.
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Looking at the demographics, most of Europe is already gone. Post-Christian Europeans are not reporducing at a rate high enough to even maintain their presence, the reproduction rate to maintain is 2.1 children per women, most of post-Christian Europe is in the mid 1's. Accounting for spelling variations, the second most common boy's name in the UK is now "Mohammed". It's the same in other European countries as well.
The effects of this change in demographics can be seen in France's decision to come out against the allied effort in Iraq. But this should come as no surprise considering the large muslim population in France which is generally young (low 20's) and shouldering a disproportional unemployment rate over 20%.
What's surprising is that those with more liberal societal preferences are so unalarmed by this change. With the ultra-conservative culture inherant with Islam, I would have expected more concern than is witnessed today....
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Simply explained by the fact that just about every muslim man I've meet got the name Mohammed somewhere in their name in various versions. Not that there are more of them it's just that about every muslim man got the name. Also the totalt population of muslims in the UK is only 3% of the population and over 90% is still "white". "Christian Heritage" is a myth at best really. Sure the church had its uses a couple of hundred years ago but it has by far outlived that social usefullnes.
Also in just about all major European countries the muslim population rarely makes up over 5%(the "rampaging" muslim problem in the Netherlands for an example is a whooping 5,8% of the population). Are some exceptions but these are countries that already had a low population count and welcomed the immigrants as the needed workers to keep the economy up, The Netherlands being the best example.
Also if you belive that evey single muslim that moves to Europe wants to turn it into some Sharia state then you are way way way off. Need to remember that these people left said Muslim states for a reason. Living near a immigrant zone myself and just about every muslim person here has left their home cuase they got into trouble with the "establishment".
Generaly the "fear" of Europe turning muslims is just fear-mongering from the Church losing its power and basic ignorance. And I can tell you from personal accounts that the "Western way of life" affects the muslims more then any costums they bring here affects us.
Also in just about all major European countries the muslim population rarely makes up over 5%(the "rampaging" muslim problem in the Netherlands for an example is a whooping 5,8% of the population). Are some exceptions but these are countries that already had a low population count and welcomed the immigrants as the needed workers to keep the economy up, The Netherlands being the best example.
Also if you belive that evey single muslim that moves to Europe wants to turn it into some Sharia state then you are way way way off. Need to remember that these people left said Muslim states for a reason. Living near a immigrant zone myself and just about every muslim person here has left their home cuase they got into trouble with the "establishment".
Generaly the "fear" of Europe turning muslims is just fear-mongering from the Church losing its power and basic ignorance. And I can tell you from personal accounts that the "Western way of life" affects the muslims more then any costums they bring here affects us.
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It's not inherent with Islam. If you have even a minuscule understanding of the religion, you know that the adherents vary greatly in their ideology based on region as well as family history. Kind of like how in the United States, you'll find various denominations of Christianity in pockets. Mormonism in Utah, Catholicism in southern Texas, and Baptist in other areas. And in those various regions, there will be liberal mormons and conservative mormons. Liberal catholics and conservative catholics. And so on.
That's because you have an incorrect view of Islam. The religion is not monolithic, and Muslims are not some hive-minded community. So quit the senseless paranoia and worrying.
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I am tolerant of Muslims living in my country, provided that they do not support terrorists and Islamic law.
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If you have a large immigrant group that refuses to assimilate into your culture and recognize your government as legitimate, that is a problem. When they openly advocate Islamic law and acts of terrorism, that's a problem.
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And that's the bone I have to pick with Muslim immigrants. If they want to come over here and leave the regressive elements of their religion behind, that's fine. But the ones I can't stand are the ones who come to the West to escape the poverty and violence in their homelands...and then proceed to bring the...very...same...misogynist...regressive...CRAP...over to their new homes. It's like a drug addict who thinks moving somewhere will cure his addiction. Not if you bring the stuff with you!
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You need to explain this one to me. What percentage of muslims moving to "the west" later commit crimes, preach hatred, and/or endorse radical Islam? Or better yet, define the "regressive crap" that they bring over and how many of them do it?
Be specific, cite sources.
What percentage of Muslim immigrants which are in/moving to the United States, or Western Europe openly advocate Acts of Terrorism?
Be specific, cite sources.
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TheNewWorldMan
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Do I really need to spell this out for you? Rallies teeming with Muslims holding up signs calling for the destruction of Europe, "your 9/11 is on its way," "exterminate those who criticize Islam."
Obviously I do, so here goes:
Here's a charming one:
Now this woman in the next photograph has to be one of the most brainwashed people on the planet. Scientology should definitely try and go for her. Here she is, a slave to a religion that makes her dress like a beekeeper, and yet she'll still call for genocide:
More calls for genocide against non-Muslims:
Here's where a filmmaker named Theo van Gogh was assassinated:
Muslim immigrants bringing their misogyny to Europe and killing women:
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1244406,00.html
Another charming expression of Muslim opinion:
A Swedish woman gang-raped by Muslims:
More Muslim rapes in Australia. Of course, it's all the fault of the women...
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/australias-top-muslim-blames-women-for-sex-attacks
Here a British Muslim imam says it's open season on non-Muslims:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4&feature=related
More misogyny from the Religion of Peace: a British woman gang-raped by Muslims. The Muslims' response: it was HER fault:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/Ronbo/Ronbo6/rape_victim1.jpg
An example of Muslim immigrants' tolerance for the religions of the countries kind enough to take them in...here's a priest beaten in the name of Mohammed:
Okay...now I'm waiting for the inevitable Muslim apologists' response that these are all "isolated incidents."
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TheNewWorldMan
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I posted a response, complete with photos...and got a message that my post had to be approved by a moderator.
Hmmm.
Looks like someone somewhere doesn't want the truth to come out...
Hmmm.
Looks like someone somewhere doesn't want the truth to come out...
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How do you think the "first peoples" in North America felt about preserving their native culture when the same "Western civilzation" was advancing in overwhelming numbers, forcing them off their homelands?
Now we even refer to many of their descendents as "illegal" immigrants.
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There is little comparison between white, European, Christian culture and Islamic culture. It would take a self-hating Westerner to accuse the two of moral equivalence.
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TheNewWorldMan
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If you want to discuss European history in the Renaissance, please start another thread. This thread is about contemporary Europe.
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