were in daniel ch 9 does it talk about the anti christ???

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Yes.

I believe Jesus Christ and the ministry and works that He fulfilled completed Daniel 9:24-27, the 70 weeks.

I think of it this way. If I throw a rock in the middle of a pond, did the rock hit the water? Yes.

The water that is at the edge land, doesn't realize it yet, but the rock already hit the water. It may take some time for the edge that is at the land to realize it, but nevertheless, the rock hit the water.

Jesus is seated on the throne.

Looking at the world in the natural it doesn't look like it, yet nevertheless, Jesus is sitting on the throne reigning over all His creation. He will continue to reign until all His enemies are made a footstool.

I Corinthians 15:25 - For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.

Jesus is Lord and reigning right now.

The world doesn't see that yet (and sometimes the natural world doesn't express it), but in time they all will be subjected and put under His feet.

Remember the rock and the water. Yes it hit the water. The edge of the water where the land meets doesn't realize it yet, because the waves haven't reached the edge, nevertheless the rock hit the water.

The work of the cross (the rock) is finished and complete and spans across all time. The waves have yet to reach every part of the natural world (including time), but in the spiritual world, it is complete. He is seated (meaning finished) and we are seated with Him, now.

Of course, that is if we have entered into the kingdom of God.
 
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I have never mentioned anything about Revelation 12 or 13.

By your post, I see that you are linking Daniel 7 with Revelation 13 and Daniel 8 & 9 with Revelation 12.

Would you care to expound to us why you link them?

I only expounded on 4 verses of Daniel (9:24-27), which you did not or could not correct.

I expounded a little on Hebrews 10, Matthew 23 & 24 and Luke 17 which you did not or could not correct.

I expounded on the connection between Daniel 12:11, Matthew 24:15, and Luke 21:10 and you never even commented or corrected on that.

Have you read Daniel 9:24-27 for yourself and asked Jesus if He fulfilled those verses? He was the subject of them.

Tell me why you disagree that the 70 weeks are not fulfilled in Daniel. The 70 weeks are not in Revelation.

Daniel 8 is most certainly fulfilled. It spoke of the kingdom of Greece which is loooong gone. Daniel 9 I already shared with you.

I told you i'm still studying Daniel 7 so I can't comment with any certainty yet.

Are you confusing me with someone else? I don't understand you.
 
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ok, if you believe that the 69 weeks have been fulfilled then the 70th week approaches=7 year tribulation.
If you believe that the 70 weeks are fullfilled, then where does the 7 year trib come from?
I didnt respond to the other matters because it would cloud this issue/ thread topic.
In other words, people who believe in the 7 year trib believe that it is the 70th week of daniel.

where do you get the 7 year trib from?
 
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Debbie,

The reason why I posted what I posted is b/c it doesn't matter what type of futurists you are (pre, mid, post), whether you realize it or not, you have assumed there is a gap between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel and you have shot the last week of the 70 weeks into a future to expect and called it "the tribulation" or "the Great Tribulation".

That is my point. It's an unscriptural and unfounded assumption that is sensantional at best.

Where do you get a 7 year trib from? Maybe you don't realize it like I did not realize it.

I was pre and post for most of my life. Until I realized that every futurists puts a gap in the 70th week. I never knew that until I ran across it studying different futurists interpretations. Then when I went to the Bible, I could not find a gap in the 70 weeks. Futurists call this unknown amount of time gap, the church age. But none of them, for me, could support with scripture a gap of anykind at any moment in the 70 weeks.

We have been spoon fed for so long through preaching, teaching, movies, and books that we don't take the time to study for ourselves to see if these things are true. And the ingorant masses who don't know any better will continue to eat the slop given to them (remaining ignorant) until they learn to make their own good food (study for themselves).
 
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jbenjesus, I understand what you are saying, but you did not say where you got the idea of a 7 year trib.I thought before that you said you were not a preterist. So if you don't believe revelation has been fulfilled, please explain what part of revelation you don't think has been fulfilled?
I cannot see how you can believe revelation has not yet been fullfilled, and still maintain daniel's 70th week was fullfilled.
please explain.
Daniel's last prophecy was written 536 years before Christ was born.
Dan. 9:24 says that 70 weeks(490 Jewish years) remain "to finish the transgression, bring in everlasting righteousness, and seal up prophecy".
So I already see a gap from 536 years before Christ was born, & only 490 years being left to anoint Christ.
Do you think all prophecy has been sealed up? Including the other chptrs of Daniel?
"to finish the transgression" of Israel is referring to Israel's history. OBviously, Israel's history is still unfolding today. Are we living today in "everlasting righteousness"?
The next verse,25, says that 69 weeks are used up "unto the Messiah".
Verse 26 refers to the sanctuary being destroyed. Are you sure the SANCTUARY was destroyed on 70 AD? WAs there a flood?
Verse 27 says a 7year(1week) covenant was made with Israel, and broken 3.5 years into the contract. Did this happen in 70ad?
Verse 27 also says"even until the consummation". SO the weddiing feast of the Lamb(2nd coming) is not consummation?
verse 25 states 69 weeks are used up. Verse 27 states one week remains in Israel's history & it begins with a 1 week(7 year) contract.(dan.8:13 & 11).
WHat part of rev has not yet been fullfilled?
 
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My responses and comments are in blue.

Originally posted by Debbie
jbenjesus, I understand what you are saying, but you did not say where you got the idea of a 7 year trib.I thought before that you said you were not a preterist.

I explained extensively about the idea of the 7 year trib where that idea came from. It is not mine, and not an idea I hold to.

So if you don't believe revelation has been fulfilled, please explain what part of revelation you don't think has been fulfilled?
I cannot see how you can believe revelation has not yet been fullfilled, and still maintain daniel's 70th week was fullfilled.
please explain.

The problem is that you think that Daniel's 70th week is Revelation. That's why you don't understand. I don't believe Daniel's 70th week is revelation. Although it does talk about events of Daniel, but Revelation is the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

Ask yourself, why Revelation starts off with, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: " and why you still think it is Daniel's 70th week. It emphatically states that this letter is the revelation of Jesus Christ on things that will shortly come to pass.

Gabriel, the angel, told Daniel that the prophecy was sealed because it would not be in his lifetime, "And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end... But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days. " It took close to 400-500 years for that prophecy of Daniel to be fulfilled, yet in Revelation it was said that it will shortly come to pass. If anything, worse case scenario, what was spoken of in Revelation should have taken place within 500 years of it's scribing because it was not sealed and it was said that it will shortly come to pass.

Not only that, what would shortly come to pass was "signified" to John. Another word to use is "symbolized" or make known through signs or symbols.

Not everything in Revelation is to be taken literally. Many of the words are symbols using hebrew idioms and metaphors that were used in the Old Covenant. You need to study these words or phrases used in the Old Covenant to uncover it's meanings in Revelation. If everything is to be taken literally, then maybe you believe that there is a beast that is going to rise up out of the sea with 7 heads and 10 horns? Sounds like a fictional Godzilla movie to me. ;)

To understand Revelation you must allow scripture to interpret itself. Many of the idioms and metaphors used in Revelation are used elsewhere in the Bible and we must uncover the meaning by studying where else these metaphors were used.

For instance, the phrase "and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;" in Revelation 6:12. Some are expecting the sun to become black, which would cause the world to freeze up, and the moon to turn to blood. That's taking it literally. But if you look in the bible where this phrase had been used before, you would realize that its not to be interpreted literally but figuratively - meaning a kingdom is falling or "going down".

See Isaiah 13:1,10,13 - Babylon's fall
Ezekiel 32:7,8 - Egypt's fall
Isaiah 34:4,5 - Edom's fall

None of these are interpreted literally. They are Hebrew metaphors representing kingdom's falling.


Daniel's last prophecy was written 536 years before Christ was born.
Dan. 9:24 says that 70 weeks(490 Jewish years) remain "to finish the transgression, bring in everlasting righteousness, and seal up prophecy".
So I already see a gap from 536 years before Christ was born, & only 490 years being left to anoint Christ.

There is no gap. You seem to not have read Daniel. The 70 weeks start at the decree of Cyrus to build the temple. Not when it was given to Daniel. Moreso, the historical dates you are using are inept and in error. We cannot fully trust and depend on historical dates, especially in the BC era. What we can do is rely completely on the scriptures which say that from the decree to build the temple to Messiah is 483 years (7 weeks + 62 weeks). Then in the midst (1/2) of the last week He is cut off (crucified) and the last 3 1/2 years just runs out, ending with the stoning of Stephen.

Do you think all prophecy has been sealed up? Including the other chptrs of Daniel?

I believe Daniel's prophecy in history has been completed. I'm not looking for anything in the future to come to pass from Daniel, other than spiritual principles which can be gleaned and learned from it.

"to finish the transgression" of Israel is referring to Israel's history. OBviously, Israel's history is still unfolding today. Are we living today in "everlasting righteousness"?

If you have obtained the everlasting righteousness of Jesus Christ, then yes.

The next verse,25, says that 69 weeks are used up "unto the Messiah".
Verse 26 refers to the sanctuary being destroyed. Are you sure the SANCTUARY was destroyed on 70 AD? WAs there a flood?

Why do you thing it's supposed to be destroyed with a flood of water??? :confused:

Verse 27 says a 7year(1week) covenant was made with Israel, and broken 3.5 years into the contract. Did this happen in 70ad?

I already said this but for your sake I'll say it again. It says "he" will confirm a covenant with "many" for one week. This "he" is not antichrist. He's not talked about once in the whole chapter. Your cutting and pasting pieces of scripture together. You need to read it in its context, right where it's at. It also doesn't say Israel. "He" will confirm a covenant with "many" is what it says, paraphrased. The subject of the 4 verses is Messiah. So, Messiah will confirm a covenant (the New Covenant in His blood) with many (Jews and Gentiles). I already spoke of this before.

Verse 27 also says"even until the consummation". SO the weddiing feast of the Lamb(2nd coming) is not consummation?

How did you connect these two??? :confused:

verse 25 states 69 weeks are used up. Verse 27 states one week remains in Israel's history & it begins with a 1 week(7 year) contract.(dan.8:13 & 11).

I have to say this again: Your cutting and pasting pieces of scripture together. You need to read it in its context, right where it's at.

WHat part of rev has not yet been fullfilled?

I will only say this. I don't believe "all" of revelation has been fulfilled. So far I still await and expect:
The coming (parousia) of Christ
The day of the Lord
The resurrection of the dead
The rapture of the living
The (final) judgment
The end of history

All six of Daniel 9:24 have been fulfilled by the cross of Christ.


 
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Jbenjesus... Thankyou for responding, here's the problem:
I understand revelation much better than Daniel. Whereas you understand Daniel much better than Revelation.
I am trying to understand Daniel better. You have helped me thus far.ty. This is where I get the flood:
Dan. 9 :26- "... the Messiah shall be cut off, buit not for HImself:and the PEOPLE OF THE PRINCE THAT SHALL COME SHALL DESTROY THE CITY AND THE SANCTUARY;AND THE END THEREOF SHALL BE WITH A FLOOD, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."
Was the sanctuary destroyed in 70 ad by the Messiah's people with a flood?
 
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I believe "a flood" is figurative speech meaning the city and the sanctuary will be swamped or overwhelmed when destroyed.

The Roman army did that by surrounding the city for 3 1/2 years (coincidence?) causing the city to suffer famine, pestilence, sword and fire (all talked about in Ezekiel).

They suffered famine because they could not get food from outside the city into the city. They suffered pestilence because so many people were dying from the famine (starvation) that they could not bury them outside the city. It was even recorded that mothers ate their children, which was prophesied by Jesus to happen. Bodies were piled up in the streets and even into the temple. Sword because the Romans during their final seige strike mowed down the inhabitants of the city with their sword and finally fire, b/c they burned that city and the temple down. So much so that the gold of the temple was said to melt and pour into the cracks of the streets.
 
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So your answer is "NO" the Messiah's people did not destroy their own temple with a flood in 70 AD.
In fact, The sanctuary was destroyed ,but not by a flood & not by the people of the prince of the Messiah, but by the people of ANOTHER" PRINCE.that shall come" I believe you said "THE ROMANS".
THerefore, even if you take the flood as being figurative, you cannot deny that the next verse, dan 9:27 is referring to the prince who destroyed the sanctuary. "and he shall confirm the covenant..."= the prince of the people who destroyed the temple with a figurative flood.
 
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I already explained this. I know you are a post-trib proponent so I got an excerpt from a post-trib proponent that explains what I have explained to you:

"How Jesus fulfilled Daniel 9:24
Let's look at Daniel 9:24 in greater detail.

Daniel 9:24

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Why are 70 weeks determined? To do these things:
• 1. to finish the transgression
• 2. to make an end of sins
• 3. to make reconciliation for iniquity
• 4. to bring in everlasting righteousness
• 5. to seal up the vision and prophecy
• 6. to anoint the most Holy

1. Finish the Transgression.
Recall that to begin with, the Jews were in captivity for 490 years because of not honoring the Sabbath - they didn't give the land rest every seven years. The 70 years of capitivity in Babylon gave the land its rest. This is in 2 Chronicles 36- it's a whole lot of verses. Then God gives them another 490 years - maybe this time is their last chance.

2. Make an End of Sins.
Though we still sin, if we are saved, then there is no condemnation for those sins.

Romans 8:1

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

3. Make Reconciliation for Iniquity.
Only Jesus could do this. He came to make reconciliation for us.

Hebrews 2:17

Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

4. Bring in Everlasting Righteousness
Jesus Himself said that He fulfilled all righteousness.

Matthew 3:13-15

Matthew 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

Matthew 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

5. Seal up the Vision and Prophecy
Contrary to what most teach about this passage, "seal up" doesn't mean to hide it from men's understanding until the last days. From Strong's, seal is [2856] chatham: meaning to close up, make an end of, stop. So Jesus made the end of this vision and prophecy. It doesn't say "all visions and prophecies" for you naysayers. It says "the vision..."

6. Anoint the Most Holy
Again, Jesus was anointed at His baptism in Mark 1. He is the Most Holy.

Daniel 9:25

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

I've already showed in the first post, why I believe, and the math supports it, that Jesus is whom this is referring to. The big question comes from the next verse:

Daniel 9:26

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Who is The Prince?
A big argument is over who this prince is. In the 1769 KJV, the first prince is capitalized - Prince and the second is not. Unfortunately, not knowing the Hebrew, folks err and make a doctrine based on the translators' take. What they may not know is that the 1611 KJV had both of them as "Prince." It was changed later. The YLT (a really good word-for-word translation of the Textus Receptus/Masoretic) has this:

Daniel 9:25-26
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

Daniel 9:25 And thou dost know, and dost consider wisely, from the going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem till Messiah the Leader is seven weeks, and sixty and two weeks: the broad place hath been built again, and the rampart, even in the distress of the times.

Daniel 9:26 And after the sixty and two weeks, cut off is Messiah, and the city and the holy place are not his, the Leader who hath come doth destroy the people; and its end is with a flood, and till the end is war, determined are desolations.

Clearly, in the word for word, he equates Messiah the Prince with the Prince that shall come.

In the KJV, we find that "the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city." Does the prince destroy the city? No, the people of the prince. In 70 AD, the people of the prince rebelled and went against the Romans. What happened? The city was destroyed. Did they do it directly? Well, no one knows exactly who torched the temple. But, either way, the actions of the Jewish people in Jerusalem brought down the fury of the Roman armies. Whether the Jews burned it or the Romans did is rather a moot point.

Daniel 9:26 - Another Look
Look at this from Dan 9:26.
"...and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."
Desolations are determined to the end of the war. At the end, when Jerusalem was destroyed is when the desolation ended.

From the YLT....

Daniel 9:27
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

Daniel 9:27 And he hath strengthened a covenant with many -- one week, and in the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.'

From the KJV...

Daniel 9:27

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week.
From the first post, Jesus' ministry (most agree with this) was seven years...one week. "Confirm" as shown by the YLT, means "strengthen." This says "Covenant." Not treaty. Covenant. What covenant?

Look at Daniel 9 again...

Daniel 9:3-4

Daniel 9:3 And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:

Daniel 9:4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

Note that Daniel does not say to all Israel. He says to them that love him and that keep his commandments. So again, what covenant? It's a covenant that Jesus merely strengthened. It is the covenant that He gave to Abraham.

Genesis 22:18

Genesis 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

How would all nations be blessed through Abraham's seed? Through Jesus the Christ. The father of John the Baptist, Zacharias, gave this prophecy:

Luke 1:72-75

Luke 1:72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

Luke 1:73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

Luke 1:74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

Luke 1:75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

Jesus Strengthened the Covenant

Jesus strengthened the covenant that God had already made. Those believers in the Old Testament believed that God would do as He promised and provide His salvation, though they knew not the name of Jesus. Those who have believed since Jesus cmbelieved that Jesus' death, burial and resurrection paid the price for their (our) sins. It has always been the same. God has not changed. His mercy and grace has been extended in the same way, most folks, however, saw the physical or fleshly side and not the spiritual side and I must admit that I find it difficult somedays to see the spiritual too. I know we all do. The flesh wars against the Spirit all the time. Jesus confirmed the covenant that God had made with Abraham. In thee shall all nations be blessed. See also Matthew 26:28, Mark 14:24, and Luke 22:20.

He shall cause the sacrifice to cease...

In Daniel 9, we find that "he shall cause the sacrifice to cease." If this were the antichrist, as is taught by dispensationalists, then he has already been here because there has been no sacrifice in the temple for a long time. Not since 70 AD. Instead look at what Jesus' death meant. It meant that the covering of sins that the sacrifices did was no longer needed. He took all our sins upon Himself and once we accept that free gift, then ours sins are removed as far as east is from west.

The sacrifice ceased literally in 70 AD, but the need ended at Calvary.

[A]nd for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Indeed, the city was made desolate. The Romans overran the city, destroying all that was in their wake. This has been done. History proves it.
I hope this helps.
 
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Thanks for all your work benjesus. yes I am aware that the promise of Abraham's is for all Christians. I agree that Jesus sealed up Daniel's part of the vision concerning everlasting righteousness and an end of sins, and He was anointed.
lol. Dont be mad, but Dan9 :27 to me is in direct correlation to Dan. 8:11-13. Do you agree?
 
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To me, Daniel 9:27 does not at all correlate with Daniel 8:11-13. The 70 weeks went beyond the kingdom of Greece into the 4th kingdom, Rome.

In verse 8, chapter 8, it says,

Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
The goat was figurative representation of the kingdom of Greece (the third kingdom). The great horn that was broken was representative of the king of Greece, more specifically, Alexander the Great.

The "four notable ones" are the 4 generals that reigned over the kingdom of Greece when Alexander died. These four divided up the kingdom into 4 pieces. Out of one of these four, came a little horn. A ruler rose up out of the divided 4 piece kingdom of Greece.

Verse 9, chapter 10-14 (for the meaning read verse 15-27 which explains this vision that Daniel sees) says,

And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
This "little horn" in history is know as Antiochus Epiphanes IV. He caused the daily sacrifice to cease in the temple. He desescrated the temple by entering it and sacrificing swine on the altar and erecting a statue of Zeus. He told the Jews not to worship their own God, but his. He also decreed that they should not sacrifice anymore. This caused the Jewish uprising known as the Maccabean revolt.

After Antiochus Epiphanes IV issued the decree and stopped the sacrifices, 2300 days later, one of the sons of Maccabeaus (forgot his name), who started the revolt, cleansed the temple and initiated sacrifices to the Holy One of Israel, again.

It truly is amazing at how precise and detail the Lord was in His prophecies and their coming to pass.
 
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This argument always comes down to the use of a pronoun. Daniel 9......Some would believe that verse 26 speaks of a prince that will come and his people would destroy the city and the sanctuary. And that he will make a covenant with many for one week. And somehow this he is suppose to be the messiah.... even though the previous text is about the prince that comes and destroys the city.

The bible tells me that Christ's covenant is everlasting. It is eternal, that He will never leave me. I'm not sure how some reconcile this with the covenant in Daniel 9 27 that is clearly a covenant for one week. Messiah's covenant is not for one week.
 
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I agree.... and I understand the Jewish calendar. I know a lady who calculates by the jewish calendar and a little bit of astrology that 69 and 1/2 weeks allegedly comes out to exactly passover in 33AD. And on and on. She makes a very compelling argument and can spew out all of the math etc......... But these people all miss the simple fact that the Messiah's covenant is eternal. It has no end. So regardless of how facts, figures, and history are interperated............ we know that the covenant at the end of Daniel 9 is not the Messiah's.
 
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