Is there something in the creationists bible?

Mine says something quite opposite.

1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

consol said:

that allows creationists to, NEVER answer questions, only ask them?

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It takes a given amount of education to be able to recognize an answer. Those who are educationally-challenged cannot recognize the answers, and therefore assume the answerer is either trying to dodge the question, or just plain not answering it.

The inability of a teacher to convey information cannot be universally the fault of the student.

AV1611VET said:

It takes a given amount of education to be able to recognize an answer. Those who are educationally-challenged cannot recognize the answers, and therefore assume the answerer is either trying to dodge the question, or just plain not answering it.

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What kind of education are we talking about here? High school? College? University? PhD?

Or is it the top-secret Christian education that you can only get if you swear to keep it secret and already believe everything that's going to be taught?

FishFace said:

Or is it the top-secret Christian education that you can only get if you swear to keep it secret and already believe everything that's going to be taught?

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I'm not sure what you're talking about here, but let me say this again:

You guys know where I stand on issues (especially the Creation) better than my pastor does.

Believe me --- I haven't been hiding anything.

Tinker Grey said:

The inability of a teacher to convey information cannot be universally the fault of the student.

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Quoted for ULTRA-TRUTH!

As a former teacher myself, I learned the hard way something that some on here fail to learn.

If I gave a lecture and then when the test came around and the students almost universally messed up and didn't give me the answer I was expecting, do I assume that all my students are morons?

Or do I assume that maybe, just maybe, I didn't teach that particular lesson very well.

I think I know how AV would answer that question.

AV1611VET said:

I'm not sure what you're talking about here, but let me say this again:

You guys know where I stand on issues (especially the Creation) better than my pastor does.

Believe me --- I haven't been hiding anything.

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Agreed. Fundamentalist Christian "Education" in the sciences is hardly kept "top secret" (it would be nice if it were) and we all know, as I recall, that AV doesn't think most people could effectively teach this "knowledge" even though it is plainly available in the first chapter or two of Genesis.

So at least AV would maybe help us keep this "education" out of the schools. We may not agree on the reason for it to be kept out of the schools, but if AV helps unwittingly serve the greater good, well, it's a good thing.

thaumaturgy said:

I think I know how AV would answer that question.

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You got that right, Thaumaturgy ---

Romans 3:4a said:

God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar...

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It's not like this hasn't happened before:

1. Those who believed Lot: zero.
2. Those who believed Noah: zero.

And Noah was even a preacher of righteousness!

2 Peter 2:5 said:

And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

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You guys demand evidence? You think God is going to jump through hoops and provide it; when it didn't work before?

Galatians 3:1 said:

O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

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How is it I know you guys better than you know yourselves? Because I'm psychic? Or because I believe the Bible?

AV1611VET said:

How is it I know you guys better than you know yourselves?

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What an absolutely bizarre claim!

thaumaturgy said:

So at least AV would maybe help us keep this "education" out of the schools. We may not agree on the reason for it to be kept out of the schools, but if AV helps unwittingly serve the greater good, well, it's a good thing.

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Nope --- don't count on my support. I'll work to have the garbage taken out first, before I work to have the goods brought in.

Matthew 12:43-45 said:

43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

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Tinker Grey said:

What an absolutely bizarre claim!

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I got a million of 'em! -Jimmy Durante

AV1611VET said:

Nope --- don't count on my support. I'll work to have the garbage taken out first, before I work to have the goods brought in.

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Sadly for you, you likely couldn't identify "good" from "bad" science education.

That would require having an interest in science to begin with.

Too bad, so sad.

AV1611VET said:

You guys demand evidence? You think God is going to jump through hoops and provide it; when it didn't work before?

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Yeah. I tend to place things like this in examples from my own life. I like to apply Luke 6:31 to the world around me.

If I were in charge of a building full of people and I placed in effect a rule that unless someone came to my office and touched my desk lamp 3 times I would hit them in the head upon leaving work, and I did the great service of scrawling on a couple bathroom walls the warning: "If you don't go touch Thaum's desklamp 3 times before you leave work, he will beat you in the head with a shovel upon your exiting the building!" and signed it "Joe Schmoe" using a different handwriting, I don't think I could justify hitting anyone in the head after work because I simply didn't jump through enough hoops to get the word out that this was what I was going to do.

Unless, of course, I kinda wanted to surprise a couple folks!

You see, I don't see God has having to jump through any hoops anymore than I think "Gravity" has to jump through any hoops to prove its existence to me.

But I don't guess you'd understand that thinking. I do have to hear how often how "BIG" and "GREAT" and "AWESOME" God is, but for being so big and great and awesome he sure can hide pretty well.

How is it I know you guys better than you know yourselves? Because I'm psychic? Or because I believe the Bible?

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You don't know me. I guarantee you, you don't. In a sense I don't think you can simply because your view of the world is so ridiculously myopic and limited that it is unlikely you could understand what I'm thinking.

You only tell yourself that you know people like me. In point of fact your limited experience or outright disinterest in the kind of things I'm interested in keeps you totally in the dark as to who I am or what I'm like.

I suspect I'm not alone in that.

thaumaturgy said:

If I were in charge of a building full of people and I placed in effect a rule that unless someone came to my office and touched my desk lamp 3 times I would hit them in the head upon leaving work, and I did the great service of scrawling on a couple bathroom walls the warning: "If you don't go touch Thaum's desklamp 3 times before you leave work, he will beat you in the head with a shovel upon your exiting the building!" and signed it "Joe Schmoe" using a different handwriting, I don't think I could justify hitting anyone in the head after work because I simply didn't jump through enough hoops to get the word out that this was what I was going to do.

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On the other hand:

1. If everyone in the building knew of you.
2. If I could stop anyone, anywhere and ask what you said you would do if they failed to touch your desk lamp three times.
3. If even the lights on the ceiling were arranged in pictographic notation.
4. If that message "on a couple bathroom walls" was the bestseller of all time.
5. If your own son died in the lobby of the building proclaiming your message.

Get the picture?

AV1611VET said:

If everyone in the building knew of you.

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But you see, your analogy fails because not everyone knows of your god.

If I could stop anyone, anywhere and ask what you said you would do if they failed to touch your desk lamp three times.

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But you see, your analogy fails because not everyone knows what your god will do if they "fail" to believe.

If even the lights on the ceiling were arranged in pictographic notation.

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How epically earth-centric -- even if we accept the statement, which I don't. There is nothing pictographic about the lights in the sky.

If that message "on a couple bathroom walls" was the bestseller of all time.

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Fat lot of good it does to starving illiterate sex-slaves in Thailand.

If your own son died in the lobby of the building proclaiming your message.

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With no witnesses except paid stooges who weren't there either.

Get the picture?

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Do you?

Tinker Grey said:

But you see, your analogy fails because not everyone knows of your god.

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That's still a far cry from a message on "a couple bathroom walls."

Tinker Grey said:

But you see, your analogy fails because not everyone knows what your god will do if they "fail" to believe.

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That's still a far cry from a message on "a couple bathroom walls."

Tinker Grey said:

How epically earth-centric -- even if we accept the statement, which I don't. There is nothing pictographic about the lights in the sky.

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Says you --- get an education before you take on someone who does have one.

Tinker Grey said:

Fat lot of good it does to starving illiterate sex-slaves in Thailand.

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Science isn't doing those "starving illiterate sex-slaves in Thailand" any good either, is it? If anything, it got them in that condition.

Tinker Grey said:

With no witnesses except paid stooges who weren't there either.

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Paid stooges who weren't there --- hmmm --- sounds like scientists to me.

Tinker Grey said:

Do you?

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I sure do --- it's in pictographic notation in the night sky.

Read God's Voice in the Stars, by Kenneth C. Fleming.

AV1611VET said:

That's still a far cry from a message on "a couple bathroom walls."

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Tell that to the billions who've died without hearing the story.

That's still a far cry from a message on "a couple bothroom walls."

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Tell that to the billions who've died without hearing the story.

Says you --- get an education before you take on someone who does have one.

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Ad hominem, ergo invalid argumentation. You know nothing about me at all. The fact that the human mind finds patterns in stars is not any different than tasseomancy.

Science isn't doing those "starving illiterate sex-slaves in Thailand" any good either, is it? If anything, it got them in that condition.

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Tu quoque -- invalid argumentation. Mebbe you want to get an education -- Oops!

You've argued that it's available to everyone. Then you argue that it's a best seller. Both of these are demonstrably false.

The fact that publishers have made a buck on the gospel (lookup "simony") does indeed do no good to starving, illiterate sex-slaves in Thailand.

The response cannot be "you too! Nyah, nyah."

Paid stooges who weren't there --- hmmm --- sounds like scientists to me.

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Tinker Grey said:

How epically earth-centric -- even if we accept the statement, which I don't. There is nothing pictographic about the lights in the sky.

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AV1611VET said:

Says you --- get an education before you take on someone who does have one.

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Um you do realize many of the constellations are in reference to Greek mythology, or other mythologies, right?

Most ancient cultures saw pictures in the stars of the night sky. The earliest known efforts to catalogue the stars date to cuneiform texts and artifacts dating back roughly 6000 years. These remnants, found in the valley of the Euphrates River, suggest that the ancients observing the heavens saw the lion, the bull, and the scorpion in the stars. The constellations as we know them today are undoubtedly very different from those first few--our night sky is a compendium of images from a number of different societies, both ancient and modern. By far, though, we owe the greatest debt to the mythology of the ancient Greeks and Romans.
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emphasis added.

So when you look up at Andromeda, do you think of the greatness of Perseus slaying Neptune's sea monster and saving Andromeda chained to a rock? How does that work into your daily worship?