Reformationist:
I think you and I are in agreement more than you realize. In online discussion forums such as this, we sometimes get so involved in debating that we fail to realize our similar our views are.
Basically, what I'm saying is that Moses taught the children of Israel that if any "prophet" or "dreamer of dreams" came along, performing signs and miracles and claimed to sent by God, yet taught the children of Israel to abandon the Torah, they were to recognize him as a false prophet/false teacher/false Messiah:
Then along comes Yeshua, performing signs and miracles, claiming to be the Messiah, and yet Christianity holds that he taught they we've been "freed from the Torah." See the problem here? By saying that Yeshua "freed us from the need to obey the Torah" one is saying that Yeshua *CANNOT* be the Messiah.
Of course, I believe that Yeshua *IS* the Messiah, therefore I understand that He could not possibly have "freed us from the Torah."
That is one the fundamental reasons why Traditional Judaism does not accept Yeshua as the Messiah today -- because the "Jesus" that has been presented to them is fundamentally unsound. They know that the Messiah would not teach against the Torah, and yet the "Jesus" that is presented does exactly that.
But Yeshua's Own words were that He had *NOT* come to abolish the Torah:
Heaven and earth are still with us, therefore the commandments of the Torah are still in effect.
That is being saved regardless of whether or not one chooses to be saved. God gave us the choice of whether or not to accept His salvation. We have the free will to choose to accept Him or reject Him.
No, I haven't forgotten that at all.
The "New Covenant" is the the Torah written on the heart = a life governed by Torah.
All who have the Torah written on the heart participate as First Fruits of the New Covenant.
The Torah is written on the heart by faith in Messiah Yeshua. This saving faith is produced by the Holy Spirit Who gives us a new heart = a willingness and power to obey God and keep His commandments of the Torah.
Shimon
I think you and I are in agreement more than you realize. In online discussion forums such as this, we sometimes get so involved in debating that we fail to realize our similar our views are.
Basically, what I'm saying is that Moses taught the children of Israel that if any "prophet" or "dreamer of dreams" came along, performing signs and miracles and claimed to sent by God, yet taught the children of Israel to abandon the Torah, they were to recognize him as a false prophet/false teacher/false Messiah:
Deuteronomy 13:1-5: If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn [you] away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
Then along comes Yeshua, performing signs and miracles, claiming to be the Messiah, and yet Christianity holds that he taught they we've been "freed from the Torah." See the problem here? By saying that Yeshua "freed us from the need to obey the Torah" one is saying that Yeshua *CANNOT* be the Messiah.
Of course, I believe that Yeshua *IS* the Messiah, therefore I understand that He could not possibly have "freed us from the Torah."
That is one the fundamental reasons why Traditional Judaism does not accept Yeshua as the Messiah today -- because the "Jesus" that has been presented to them is fundamentally unsound. They know that the Messiah would not teach against the Torah, and yet the "Jesus" that is presented does exactly that.
But Yeshua's Own words were that He had *NOT* come to abolish the Torah:
Matthew 5:17-18: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Heaven and earth are still with us, therefore the commandments of the Torah are still in effect.
Suppose you and I are out rock-climbing, and I slip and fall. As I'm plummeting to my death you reach out and grab me and pull me to safety. That is being saved.
That is being saved regardless of whether or not one chooses to be saved. God gave us the choice of whether or not to accept His salvation. We have the free will to choose to accept Him or reject Him.
Kinda forgetting one itsy bitsy little detail. Jesus did not have a nature that was enslaved to it's sinfulness.
No, I haven't forgotten that at all.
The "New Covenant" is the the Torah written on the heart = a life governed by Torah.
All who have the Torah written on the heart participate as First Fruits of the New Covenant.
The Torah is written on the heart by faith in Messiah Yeshua. This saving faith is produced by the Holy Spirit Who gives us a new heart = a willingness and power to obey God and keep His commandments of the Torah.
Shimon
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