'Expelled' goes easy on Darwin-Nazi link

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=62376

Darwin critics know Ernst Haeckel as the German philosopher whose faked embryo drawings helped generations of clueless students accept Darwinism – "Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny" and all that. But there is still another problem with Haeckel, a darker one than mere fraud. Critics of the Ben Stein film, "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed," apparently do not know this.



And these are the idiots who want to be taken seriously in the scientific world?



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I don't see how it has any relevance at all though, even if it by some impossible coincidence was true(which it isn't) it doesn't change the fact that Evolution is true.


That's just it, they think it does.
 
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I don't see how it has any relevance at all though, even if it by some impossible coincidence was true(which it isn't) it doesn't change the fact that Evolution is true.
Believed to be true but unobserved happening, and which cannot be made to happen through experimentation.
 
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That's an outright lie.

http://christianforums.com/t7152237-what-was-this-about-evolution-being-untestable.html


I know the truth doesn't mean anything to you but to others it does.
The lie is that you actually believe that they are no longer lizards nor can they mate with the other lizards. Why not evolve a lizard man. Then you would have proven something. All that has been shown is that GOD has provided life with the ability to adapt to an environment. A new species or kind has not been the outcome.
 
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Believed to be true but unobserved happening, and which cannot be made to happen through experimentation.
Let's see... any of Jesus' supposed miracles, all of Genesis, Noah's flood, the Exodus, any religious "cure", any faith-based "healing" and anything attributed to "God" including God himself.

That is what you were talking about... right?
 
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The lie is that you actually believe that they are no longer lizards nor can they mate with the other lizards. Why not evolve a lizard man. Then you would have proven something. All that has been shown is that GOD has provided life with the ability to adapt to an environment. A new species or kind has not been the outcome.
Your ignorance and stupidity is astounding. Nothing has been shown regarding any gods. Now those lizards can only become more different. But in your limited ability to understand you can only see what you will see. I can't help that. But I can work to kick you out of the way as speaking to you no longer serves any purpose.
 
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The lie is that you actually believe that they are no longer lizards nor can they mate with the other lizards. Why not evolve a lizard man. Then you would have proven something. All that has been shown is that GOD has provided life with the ability to adapt to an environment. A new species or kind has not been the outcome.
Evolving a "lizard man" would pretty much disprove evolution.
 
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The lie is that you actually believe that they are no longer lizards nor can they mate with the other lizards. Why not evolve a lizard man. Then you would have proven something. All that has been shown is that GOD has provided life with the ability to adapt to an environment. A new species or kind has not been the outcome.


So basically what you are saying above is that you are completely ignorant about the detail of the theory of evolution right?

Hint: What evolution predicts happened to the lizards.
 
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Hitler believed in Christianity therefore Christianity doesn't exist.
Didn't he also use chemistry to develop the poison used to kill his prisoners? And didn't he also use Newtonian physics for the rockets used to attack England? Wait, this means that Newton is responsible for Hilter's rise of power! Kinematics is a vile, immoral theory.
 
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So basically what you are saying above is that you are completely ignorant about the detail of the theory of evolution right?

Hint: What evolution predicts happened to the lizards.
So what you are saying, is that changes within a species is the result of one's environment.
 
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Didn't he also use chemistry to develop the poison used to kill his prisoners? And didn't he also use Newtonian physics for the rockets used to attack England? Wait, this means that Newton is responsible for Hilter's rise of power! Kinematics is a vile, immoral theory.

Hitler was elected to the position of Führer by an overwhelming majority of votes. So clearly, democracy is a terrible, horrible thing that we should avoid because of its inexorable link with Hitler.
 
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Stein is under heavy attack for 'exaggerating' the influence of evolutionism behind Nazism and Stalinism (super evolution of Lysenkoism in the Soviet Russia). But the monstrous Haeckelian type of vulgar evolutionism drove not only the 'Politics-is-applied-biology' Nazi takeover in the continental Europe, but even the nationalistic collision at the World War I.

The marriage laws were once erected not only in the Nazi Germany but also in the multicultural states of America upon the speculation that the mulatto was a relatively sterile and shortlived hybrid. The absence of blood transfusion between "white" and "colored races" was self evident (Hailer 1963, p. 52).

The first law on sterilization in US had been established in 1907 in Indiana, and 23 similar laws had been passed in 15 States and sterilization was practiced in 124 institutions in 1921 (Mattila 1996; Hietala 1985 p. 133; these were the times of IQ-tests under Gould's scrutiny in his Mismeasure of Man 1981). By 1931 thirty states had passed sterization laws in the US (Reilly 1991, p. 87).

So the American laws were pioneering endeavours. In Europe Denmark passed the first sterilization legislation in Europe (1929). Denmark was followed by Switzerland, Germany that had felt to the hands of Hitler and Gobineu, and other Nordic countries: Norway (1934), Sweden (1935), Finland (1935), and Iceland (1938) (Haller 1963, pp 21-57; 135-9; Proctor 1988, p. 97; Reilly 1991, p. 109).

Seldom is it mentioned in the popular media, that the first outright race biological institution in the world was not established in Germany but in 1921 in Uppsala, Sweden (Hietala 1985, pp. 109). (I am not aware of the ethymology of the 'Up' of the ancient city from Plinius' Ultima Thule, however.) In 1907 the Society for Racial Hygiene in Germany had changed its name to the Internationale Gesellschaft für Rassenhygiene, and in 1910 Swedish Society for Eugenics (Sällskap för Rashygien) had become its first foreign affiliate (Proctor 1988, p. 17).

Hitler's formulation of the differences between the human races was affected by the brilliant sky-blue eyed Ernst Haeckel (Gasman 1971, p. xxii), praised and raised by Darwin. At the top of the unilinear progression were usually the "Nordics", a tall race of blue-eyed blonds. Haeckel's position on the Jewish question was assimilation, not yet an open elimination. But was it different only in degree, rather than kind?

In 1917 the immigration of "defective" groups was forbidden even in the United States by a law. In 1921 the European immigration was diminished to 3% based on the 1910 census.

Eventually, in the strategical year of 1924 the finest hour of eugenics had come and the fatal law was passed by Congress. It diminished immigration to 2% of the foreign-born from each country based on the 1890 census in order to preserve the "nordic" balance in population, and was hold through World War II until 1965 (Hietala 1985, p. 132).

Richard Lewontin writes:“The leading American idealogue of the innate mental inferiority of the working class was, however, H.H. Goddard, a pioneer of the mental testing movement, the discoverer of the Kallikak family,
and the administrant of IQ-tests to immigrants that found 83 % of the Jews, 80% of the Hungarians, 79% of the Italians, and 87% of the the Russians to be feebleminded.” (1977, p. 13.) Finnish emmigrants put the cross on the box reserved for the "yellow" group (Kemiläinen 1993, p. 1930), until 1965.

Germany was the most scientifically and culturally advanced nation of the world upon opening the riddles at the close of the nineteenth century, and in 1933 the German people had not lived normal life for twenty years. And so Adolf Hitler did not need his revolution. He did not have to break the laws in Haeckel's country, in principle, but to constitute them.

Today, developmental biologists are anticipating legislation of laws that would define the do’s and dont’s. The legislation should not distract individual researchers from their personal awareness of responsibility. A permissive law merely defines the ethical minimum. The lesson is that a law is no substitute for morals and that dissidents should not be intimidated.
I am suspicious over the burial of the Kampf (Struggle). The idea of competition is innate in the modern society. It is the the opposite view in a 180 degree angle to the Judaeo-Christian ideal of agapee, that I personally cheriss. The latter sees free giving, altruism, benevolence and self sacrificing love as the beginning, motivation, and sustainer of the reality.

You may read more on the matter from my conference posters and articles defended and published in the field of bioethics and history of biology (and underline/edit them a 'bit'):
http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Asian_Bioethics.pdf http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Haeckelianlegacy_ABC5.pdf
pauli.ojala@gmail.com
Biochemist, drop-out (Master of Sciing)
http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Expelled-ID.htm
PS. Here's the final chapter scanned from an evolutionist scholar D. Gasman from his The Scientific Origins of National Socialism: Social Darwinism in Ernst Haeckel and the German Monist League (chapter 7, Gasman 1971)
http://www.helsinki.fi/~pjojala/Gasman.htm
I emphasize that Daniel Gasman, unfortunately, is NOT an IDist or Idealist of any kind.
 
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So basically what you are saying above is that you are completely ignorant about the detail of the theory of evolution right?

Hint: What evolution predicts happened to the lizards.
What would need to be done is to reverse the environment and the nutritional variables and see if the lizards in question revert. If that happens then what occurred had nothing to do with natural selection.
 
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