Supreme Court Ruling Opens Door for States to Resume Executions by Lethal Injection

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351527,00.html

The court turned back a challenge to the procedures in place in Kentucky that employ three drugs to sedate, paralyze and kill inmates. Similar methods are used by roughly three dozen states.
The three drug method is alot less likely to cause severe pain, as to any other method.
The defendants asked for a single large dose of barbituates to bring death. Which will supress the muscles(preventing breathing) and knock out the brain, but pain could be there. And for drug abusers, you never know what dose will kill them and what dose will just knock them out. Thats why they use the combonation, to prevent the problem of a strong tolerance to narcotics or barbituates.
This problem is why they claim the 3 drug is painful,
because if they don't use enough of the narcotic before the paralytic agent the person could be in extreme pain
when the heart is stopped, and no one know it.

I say let the person choose between lethal injection and anything else, I bet they chose lethal injection.
 

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To hell with the death penalty.

Indeed. No matter how it's done, it's still murder. Full stop.

All this discussion about the logistics of it makes me feel sick, and it only serves to distract from the fact that's it's WRONG. It's wrong wrong wrong, and every single American should feel as humiliated and ashamed that I do that our country still carries out this most barbaric of practices. America, you should be ashamed of yourself.
 
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And yet, I'm not ashamed at all, except because we're so inefficient at doing it. We need a less costly method to take care of them.

Ah yes, because MONEY always comes before doing what's right. And that's the American Way.

Thank you...I understand now.
 
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That doesn't make any sense at all in relation to what I said. I said we could find a more cost-effective method of putting down people who receive death sentences, not that we should choose cheap death sentences over life in prison because life in prison costs more.

Reading comprehension, my dear. It's cute that you can go off on the moral tangent and randomly capitalize words, but it's quite ineffective when you don't address anything I said.


Also, AMERICARULES4LYFE
 
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Indeed. No matter how it's done, it's still murder. Full stop.

All this discussion about the logistics of it makes me feel sick, and it only serves to distract from the fact that's it's WRONG. It's wrong wrong wrong, and every single American should feel as humiliated and ashamed that I do that our country still carries out this most barbaric of practices. America, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Barbaric... yeah... ok... and euthanasia in Europe isn't barbaric... why?

That being said, I'm only really for the death penalty on the most serious of crimes. The only problem behind the death penalty is the possibility of putting the wrong person to death, which is why the only way is to know for 100 percent certainty first that the person is guilty before throwing the death penalty on them.

Too many times I've seen cases where it seems to go either way.
 
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To hell with the death penalty.

Why? Life in prison, without parole, is just delayed Capital Punishment.

And is there no punishment fitting of horrible crimes, such as rape & murder? Is the victim's life of so little value that we say to the criminal, "Well, yeah, you raped and killed a 12-year old girl, but if you'll behave yourself we'll let you out of prison in 8 years."


Something is screwy here.
 
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Penn and Teller did a pretty good show on this.
If memory serves, a lot of the standards used to execute prisoners didn't meet the humane standards required to legally put down animals.

If your excuse is 'This method is the least likely to cause agonizing death' then you need a new argument.

The only individuals I potentially advocate the death penalty for are repeat offenders who kill without remorse even once behind bars. But even these people can be put in solitary.

As someone once noted on these boards: If the death penalty isn't about revenge, why do we have suicide watch on death row?
 
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Penn and Teller did a pretty good show on this.
If memory serves, a lot of the standards used to execute prisoners didn't meet the humane standards required to legally put down animals.

If your excuse is 'This method is the least likely to cause agonizing death' then you need a new argument.

The only individuals I potentially advocate the death penalty for are repeat offenders who kill without remorse even once behind bars. But even these people can be put in solitary.

As someone once noted on these boards: If the death penalty isn't about revenge, why do we have suicide watch on death row?
Do you mean the executions in the past or today?
 
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Penn and Teller did a pretty good show on this.
If memory serves, a lot of the standards used to execute prisoners didn't meet the humane standards required to legally put down animals.

If your excuse is 'This method is the least likely to cause agonizing death' then you need a new argument.

The only individuals I potentially advocate the death penalty for are repeat offenders who kill without remorse even once behind bars. But even these people can be put in solitary.

As someone once noted on these boards: If the death penalty isn't about revenge, why do we have suicide watch on death row?

Answer: The fear of lawsuits from family members.
 
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As someone once noted on these boards: If the death penalty isn't about revenge, why do we have suicide watch on death row?

So the inmates don't make a mess in their cell.

Go up the road, not across it.
 
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Indeed. No matter how it's done, it's still murder. Full stop.

All this discussion about the logistics of it makes me feel sick, and it only serves to distract from the fact that's it's WRONG. It's wrong wrong wrong, and every single American should feel as humiliated and ashamed that I do that our country still carries out this most barbaric of practices. America, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Oh please. The criminals and sickos who carry out barbaric acts are the only ones who should feel any shame.

Sorry, but I'm not going to cry a river when some pervert who rapes and murders a child gets put down.
 
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Oh please. The criminals and sickos who carry out barbaric acts are the only ones who should feel any shame.

I agree that the criminals and "sickos" who carry out barbaric acts SHOULD feel shame. Absolutely. For those are indeed shameful acts, and society needs to be protected against the people that carry out those acts.

But by allowing our government to kill human beings, we are ALL complicit in murder as well. Easy, clean, sanitised murder that happens out of view, but murder none the less. Killing a human being is murder, no matter how twisted, perverse, or deranged they are...no matter what they have done. How can you people not see that?!
 
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I agree that the criminals and "sickos" who carry out barbaric acts SHOULD feel shame. Absolutely. For those are indeed shameful acts, and society needs to be protected against the people that carry out those acts.

But by allowing our government to kill human beings, we are ALL complicit in murder as well. Easy, clean, sanitised murder that happens out of view, but murder none the less. Killing a human being is murder, no matter how twisted, perverse, or deranged they are...no matter what they have done. How can you people not see that?!

I see the death penalty as justice. For the ultimate crime, society exacts the supreme punishment.

The alternative, life imprisonment, is unacceptable for many reasons. First, why should society pay these peoples' room and board? I am a law-abiding citizen who pays his taxes...where's my free rent and food?

Second, as long as these cretins remain alive, they will be a rallying point for the looney custard-heads, who will work to get them paroled and eventually released, crying a river about how it wasn't really their fault and society made them do it and the crime's victims are really to blame. Much better to just put them to death and be done with it.
 
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I see the death penalty as justice. For the ultimate crime, society exacts the supreme punishment.

And what of life imprisonment differs from capital punishment. After all, it is little more than a death sentence on a strikingly longer time scale. There's little evidence to suggest that it discourages crime, and as revenge it's little better.

The alternative, life imprisonment, is unacceptable for many reasons. First, why should society pay these peoples' room and board? I am a law-abiding citizen who pays his taxes...where's my free rent and food?

It's costing you more to execute these criminals courtesy of lengthy court proceedings (which are necessary and fair). As a law-abiding citizen who pays taxes, I want my bang for my buck. Life imprisonment is more cost-effective, and pays good living wages to guards and other workers - not just filling the coffers of yet another lawyer.

Second, as long as these cretins remain alive, they will be a rallying point for the looney custard-heads, who will work to get them paroled and eventually released, crying a river about how it wasn't really their fault and society made them do it and the crime's victims are really to blame. Much better to just put them to death and be done with it.


Strawman. They exist, but they're such a diminutive minority, who cares?
 
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I have some pretty unconventional views on this, especially when considering my other views. My first thought is that it's more humane to kill someone than to force them to rot in prison for life. People don't want to acknowledge this only because it would force often small minds to accept the complete barbarism and futility of life imprisonment, not just the death penalty.

If we have to have life imprisonment, and I think we sadly do, I'd say give everyone assigned life imprisonment or death a "death penalty", with the right to life imprisonment instead. (If you reversed it, and gave prisoners life and a right to be die, inmates and activists would have a lot of religious and social issues about suicide -- but what they don't realize is that life imprisonment is merely a prolonged death sentence, so it's hardly suicide when you're choosing between death and death). At the very least, I think life inmates should have a right to die, since they're basically dead anyway.

This is really grisly and depressing stuff. What we really need to do is stop punishing frivolous crimes, gut and rebuild our jail system so it no longer turns the peaceful into violent criminals, start spending money on education and crime prevention, and work to deal with some of the cultural issues on our hands. We don't need to be putting people to death; we need to rehabilitate them before they get into prison.
 
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