Liberals: Post Bible Verses of Jesus' word promoting liberalism.

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What about (A) the rapist who has paid his debt according to man's law but who has not accepted Christ? What about the (B) homosexual who knows Christs words and insists that they are doing nothing wrong? In a more general sense what about (C)the sinner who is aware of their sin, maybe even knows it is wrong and is intentionally continuing on in that activity?

Of course I'm not anywhere near suggesting that they deserve the death penalty, but doesn't there come a point with such individuals where continued association with them becomes, on some level, approval or at least acceptance of their actions?

But I wasn't suggesting anything like "Christian-to-Christian fellowship" with or "general approval" of either A, B or C, now was I? The only example I gave was an "ex-rapist" who had been made a "new creation" by Christ. I don't know how you were able to read cases A, B and C to my post..?
 
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This is not a liberal, the definition is all wrong. A liberal is someone who advocates political change under a free government; under another definition, someone who, "typically defends a democratic constitution (as opposed to monarchic or aristocratic) that guarantees civil rights."

OK, now, an American Political Liberal, you've got their issues all wrong too. . 4.) is just a jab. FYI, they also support:

-The rights of women and minorities, particularly racial and religious minorities, the disabled, and gay people
-Abortion rights
-Government social programs, e.g., welfare, medicare, and unemployment
-Support for strong environmental regulations
-Support for trade unions
-Support for animal rights

OK, now Liberalism. It's a classical idea, and it's the idea on which our country was founded. It's, basically, the idea that people should be self-willed, self-ruled and have personal freedoms. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Now, I hope you have learned something about what these ideas mean. I would reply to your request (it is easy to find bible verses where Jesus supports some liberal ideals) but it's a much more amorphous matter of opinion and I don't see you as interested in evaluating other ideas that involve conflicting opinions.
 
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This is not a liberal, the definition is all wrong. A liberal is someone who advocates political change under a free government; under another definition, someone who, "typically defends a democratic constitution (as opposed to monarchic or aristocratic) that guarantees civil rights."

OK, now, an American Political Liberal, you've got their issues all wrong too. . 4.) is just a jab. FYI, they also support:

-The rights of women and minorities, particularly racial and religious minorities, the disabled, and gay people
-Abortion rights
-Government social programs, e.g., welfare, medicare, and unemployment
-Support for strong environmental regulations
-Support for trade unions
-Support for animal rights

OK, now Liberalism. It's a classical idea, and it's the idea on which our country was founded. It's, basically, the idea that people should be self-willed, self-ruled and have personal freedoms. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Now, I hope you have learned something about what these ideas mean. I would reply to your request (it is easy to find bible verses where Jesus supports some liberal ideals) but it's a much more amorphous matter of opinion and I don't see you as interested in evaluating other ideas that involve conflicting opinions.

I'm tired of you leftists and your "they are easy to find but I'm not going to play your game" crap. Post them and I will debunk them and you can go away because you will be so embarrassed because I will show you how much you have misinterpreted the Bible. I doubt these Bible verses that you will even post will of even came from you, just like the other guy with his parable of the vineyard workers which I have seen in a article saying that Jesus was a socialist. The best way to deceive is to create website where no one can post rebuttals to your lies which is what sites like Harmless as Doves do.
 
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OK, now Liberalism. It's a classical idea, and it's the idea on which our country was founded. It's, basically, the idea that people should be self-willed, self-ruled and have personal freedoms. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Unless a definition comes from the Dictionary of God, Guns and Glory (which is edited frequently to keep up with GG&G's latest crop of straw men) GG&G isn't interested. The questions he poses in "debates" are just one step away from "Have you stopped beating your wife?"
 
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I'm tired of you leftists and your "they are easy to find but I'm not going to play your game" crap. Post them and I will debunk them and you can go away because you will be so embarrassed because I will show you how much you have misinterpreted the Bible. I doubt these Bible verses that you will even post will of even came from you, just like the other guy with his parable of the vineyard workers which I have seen in a article saying that Jesus was a socialist. The best way to deceive is to create website where no one can post rebuttals to your lies which is what sites like Harmless as Doves do.

You know what I'm hearing:

"STOP PROVING ME WRONG! You're making it hard to brag about how right I am!"
 
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I'm tired of you leftists

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and your "they are easy to find but I'm not going to play your game" crap. Post them and I will debunk them and you can go away because you will be so embarrassed because I will show you how much you have misinterpreted the Bible.

Do you have any credentials as a Biblical scholar?

What colleges or universities have you attended? Are you fluent in Greek or Hebrew?

In other words, do you have any qualifications that justify you looking down your nose at everyone else's interpretation of Scripture?

I doubt these Bible verses that you will even post will of even came from you,

Do you know how foolish you just made yourself sound?

Of course any Bible verses posted in this debate or any other are not going to be original with the posters themselves. They're from the Bible. Sheesh...

just like the other guy with his parable of the vineyard workers which I have seen in a article saying that Jesus was a socialist.

The parable is what it is. And no, Jesus wasn't a socialist, or capitalist, or communist, or any other "-ist." He was Jesus, whose majesty far exceeds that of humanity and all of its "isms."

The best way to deceive is to create website where no one can post rebuttals to your lies which is what sites like Harmless as Doves do.

Whatever.
 
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I'm tired of you leftists and your "they are easy to find but I'm not going to play your game" crap. Post them and I will debunk them and you can go away because you will be so embarrassed because I will show you how much you have misinterpreted the Bible. I doubt these Bible verses that you will even post will of even came from you, just like the other guy with his parable of the vineyard workers which I have seen in a article saying that Jesus was a socialist. The best way to deceive is to create website where no one can post rebuttals to your lies which is what sites like Harmless as Doves do.

:D This should be good.

Quiet, everyone! To quote a Disney movie: "Brother GGAG is gonna ADDRESS you!" and singlehandedly prove "[us] leftists" wrong (it's from Dumbo).

We're waiting.
Ringo
 
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...three days and still nothing. :sorry:
tulc(by the way? if you had beat your slave on the 15th but he didn't die until today, you wouldn't be liable for his death) :sigh:

Exodus 21:16 said:

"Whoever kidnaps a person must be put to death, whether he sells him or the person is found in his possession."

The slavery everyone knows and hates is the kidnapping of people and selling them into slavery, the Bible says it is a capital offense.

Exodus 21:20-21... where does it say that they died... it says that if they get up after a day or two they are not to be punished. Not they stay up for a day or two and then die, reading comprehension...

Exodus 21:26-27 said:
"When a man strikes the eye of his male or female slave and destroys it, he must let the slave go free in compensation for his eye. 27 If he knocks out the tooth of his male or female slave, he must let the slave go free in compensation for his tooth.

This basically shows how light the punishment is.
 
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Exodus 21:20-21... where does it say that they died... it says that if they get up after a day or two they are not to be punished. Not they stay up for a day or two and then die
No what it's actually saying is if the servant dies after a couple of days then the master isn't liable.
Exodus 21:20-21
20And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
21Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money. (emph. added)

reading comprehension...
is just fine thanks for asking.
The slavery everyone knows and hates is the kidnapping of people and selling them into slavery, the Bible says it is a capital offense.
which has nothing to do with the fact that there was different forms of slavery, remember there were people who sold themselves into slavery or sold their children to make money. if they were Jews there was one set of rules if however you were NOT a Jew there was another set of rules. That's why the Law said they were to buy their slaves from the heathen nations around them. :)
tulc(still waiting for those scriptures saying slavery was wrong) :)
 
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I'm tired of you leftists and your "they are easy to find but I'm not going to play your game" crap. Post them and I will debunk them and you can go away because you will be so embarrassed because I will show you how much you have misinterpreted the Bible. I doubt these Bible verses that you will even post will of even came from you, just like the other guy with his parable of the vineyard workers which I have seen in a article saying that Jesus was a socialist. The best way to deceive is to create website where no one can post rebuttals to your lies which is what sites like Harmless as Doves do.
You know, one of the hardest (for me) but also one of the more important things I learnt at 17 was the fact that I wasn't always right. For me, it was torture to learn it, to find out that perhaps all the preconceptions that I had been promoting with the self-assurance of a 17 year old may just be wrong. But learn it I did, and now I accept and realise that it is a good idea to listen to others - especially others more learned in whatever field it is, or who have been studying longer.

Knowledge and the pursuit of knowledge is an amazing thing, and one which I still love doing. But first comes humility and a willingness to listen to the points of view of others. Without that, we just get trapped in our own "rightness" and fail to progress more. We can encounter so much more by just being open to other ideas.

Please - a little humility towards people who are perhaps slightly more 'expert' - for want of a better term - in this area (and no, I definitely do not count myself as one of them - as Christianity goes, I am still very much a beginner!) might mean you begin to see the world in a different way. And that is the step towards learning (which I presume is what you want as you have to come to a discussion forum). Even if you don't agree with people, taking time to understand their position without immediately blanking it out just generally makes for a more rounded, healthy world view.

I apologise if I have spoken out of turn.
 
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You know, one of the hardest (for me) but also one of the more important things I learnt at 17 was the fact that I wasn't always right. For me, it was torture to learn it, to find out that perhaps all the preconceptions that I had been promoting with the self-assurance of a 17 year old may just be wrong. But learn it I did, and now I accept and realise that it is a good idea to listen to others - especially others more learned in whatever field it is, or who have been studying longer.

Knowledge and the pursuit of knowledge is an amazing thing, and one which I still love doing. But first comes humility and a willingness to listen to the points of view of others. Without that, we just get trapped in our own "rightness" and fail to progress more. We can encounter so much more by just being open to other ideas.

Please - a little humility towards people who are perhaps slightly more 'expert' - for want of a better term - in this area (and no, I definitely do not count myself as one of them - as Christianity goes, I am still very much a beginner!) might mean you begin to see the world in a different way. And that is the step towards learning (which I presume is what you want as you have to come to a discussion forum). Even if you don't agree with people, taking time to understand their position without immediately blanking it out just generally makes for a more rounded, healthy world view.

I apologise if I have spoken out of turn.

Wait, I'm not always right.

Bummer. :sigh:
 
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Exodus 21:22-23 (Amplified Bible)

22If men contend with each other, and a pregnant woman [interfering] is hurt so that she has a miscarriage, yet no further damage follows, [the one who hurt her] shall surely be punished with a fine [paid] to the woman's husband, as much as the judges determine.
23But if any damage follows, then you shall give life for life,

Translation... hurting/killing a fetus carries a fine similar to that of killing someone's ox or slave; hurting/killing a woman carries mortal penalties befitting to harming a legal person.
 
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just like the other guy with his parable of the vineyard workers which I have seen in a article saying that Jesus was a socialist.

Well, I haven't seen that article, that's for sure. That parable of Jesus about the master of the vineyard itself says it tells about "what the Kingdom of God is like". So, I don't know who you should blame when Bible-believeing people, sincerely attempting to "advance His Kingdom here on earth", read that parable and come to a conclusion that it should also have some impact on how things are run "society-wise". At least it would be a lot less "risky" Bible-induced policy than suggesting a death penalty for homosexuals, for God's sake!!!
 
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No what it's actually saying is if the servant dies after a couple of days then the master isn't liable.
is just fine thanks for asking.
which has nothing to do with the fact that there was different forms of slavery, remember there were people who sold themselves into slavery or sold their children to make money. if they were Jews there was one set of rules if however you were NOT a Jew there was another set of rules. That's why the Law said they were to buy their slaves from the heathen nations around them. :)
tulc(still waiting for those scriptures saying slavery was wrong) :)

Exodus 21:21 said:
However, if the slave can stand up after a day or two, the owner should not be punished

Exodus 21:22-23 (Amplified Bible)

22If men contend with each other, and a pregnant woman [interfering] is hurt so that she has a miscarriage, yet no further damage follows, [the one who hurt her] shall surely be punished with a fine [paid] to the woman's husband, as much as the judges determine.
23But if any damage follows, then you shall give life for life,

Translation... hurting/killing a fetus carries a fine similar to that of killing someone's ox or slave; hurting/killing a woman carries mortal penalties befitting to harming a legal person.

I love this quote, because its the perfect quote on anti-abortion if you read the right version or read the Hebrew translation. Its actually talking about a premature birth and it says if they kill the baby(miscarriage) they must be executed.

Well, I haven't seen that article, that's for sure. That parable of Jesus about the master of the vineyard itself says it tells about "what the Kingdom of God is like". So, I don't know who you should blame when Bible-believeing people, sincerely attempting to "advance His Kingdom here on earth", read that parable and come to a conclusion that it should also have some impact on how things are run "society-wise". At least it would be a lot less "risky" Bible-induced policy than suggesting a death penalty for homosexuals, for God's sake!!!

So in the Kingdom of God there will be very little jobs so men will have to sit and town and wait for a job and they will also need money? Its a parable and if you look it up, you will see the interpretation of 99% of people is that it is saying no matter how old you are when you accept Jesus, your reward will be the same.
 
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Hmmm 3 translations say gets up, all the rest say dies. According to some scholars what it boils down to was apparently "intent", if the slave died immediately the master was to be tried for murder, if the slave died days later it showed the master only tried to discipline the slave not kill him. :scratch:
I guess it depends on how old the translation is. :)
tulc(which translation was that?) :scratch:
 
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