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PA Ambassador: "First Jerusalem,( the Holy place in Matthew 24 : 15 ) Then We'll( the abomination that causes desolation Islam ) Take All Palestine"
by Hillel Fendel
"When Israel's ideology will collapse, and after we take Jerusalem, Israel's ideology will collapse altogether, and then we will proceed with our own ideology, inshallah [if Allah wills], and we will throw them out of all of Palestine." So said Abbas Zaki, the Palestinian Authority's ambassador to Lebanon on Lebanese television last week, according to a translation by MEMRI (Middle East Media Research Institute).
Expressing strong support for terror attacks against Israel, Zaki said, "We believe wholeheartedly that the Right of Return [of millions of Arabs and their descendants who left Israel in 1948 and 1967 -ed.] is guaranteed by our will, by our weapons, and by our faith." ( false religion )
Asked if this means he believes "in weapons, not just in negotiations," Zaki said that neither of them is effective by itself: "The use of weapons alone will not bring results, and the use of politics without weapons will not bring results. We act on the basis of our extensive experience. We analyze our situation carefully. We know what climate leads to victory and what climate leads to suicide."
"We talk politics," Zaki said, "but our principles are clear. It was our pioneering leader, Yasser Arafat, who persevered with this revolution, when empires collapsed. Our armed struggle has been going on for 43 years, and the political struggle, on all levels, has been going on for 50 years. We harvest U.N. resolutions..."( containing many sevens spoken of in Daniel 9 : 25 thru 28 )
'Israel Must Pay a Heavy Price'
Speaking with young Arabs who see themselves as Palestinians, Zaki said, "The important thing is that in any [military] operation, Israel will pay a price. We don't want cases in which you [Arabs] don't kill even a chicken, but Israel kills 20 of you. I salute any operation that makes Israel pay a heavy price."
'We'll Drive Them All out of All of Palestine'
Zaki said that the PLO [Palestinian Liberation Organization] is the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people, and that it remains true to its values and ideology: "In light of the weakness of the Arab nation and the lack of values, and in light of the American control over the world, the PLO proceeds through phases, without changing its strategy. Let me tell you, when the ideology of Israel collapses, and we take, at least, Jerusalem, the Israeli ideology will collapse in its entirety, and we will begin to progress with our own ideology, Allah willing, and drive them out of all of Palestine."
by Hillel Fendel
"When Israel's ideology will collapse, and after we take Jerusalem, Israel's ideology will collapse altogether, and then we will proceed with our own ideology, inshallah [if Allah wills], and we will throw them out of all of Palestine." So said Abbas Zaki, the Palestinian Authority's ambassador to Lebanon on Lebanese television last week, according to a translation by MEMRI (Middle East Media Research Institute).
Expressing strong support for terror attacks against Israel, Zaki said, "We believe wholeheartedly that the Right of Return [of millions of Arabs and their descendants who left Israel in 1948 and 1967 -ed.] is guaranteed by our will, by our weapons, and by our faith." ( false religion )
Asked if this means he believes "in weapons, not just in negotiations," Zaki said that neither of them is effective by itself: "The use of weapons alone will not bring results, and the use of politics without weapons will not bring results. We act on the basis of our extensive experience. We analyze our situation carefully. We know what climate leads to victory and what climate leads to suicide."
"We talk politics," Zaki said, "but our principles are clear. It was our pioneering leader, Yasser Arafat, who persevered with this revolution, when empires collapsed. Our armed struggle has been going on for 43 years, and the political struggle, on all levels, has been going on for 50 years. We harvest U.N. resolutions..."( containing many sevens spoken of in Daniel 9 : 25 thru 28 )
'Israel Must Pay a Heavy Price'
Speaking with young Arabs who see themselves as Palestinians, Zaki said, "The important thing is that in any [military] operation, Israel will pay a price. We don't want cases in which you [Arabs] don't kill even a chicken, but Israel kills 20 of you. I salute any operation that makes Israel pay a heavy price."
'We'll Drive Them All out of All of Palestine'
Zaki said that the PLO [Palestinian Liberation Organization] is the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people, and that it remains true to its values and ideology: "In light of the weakness of the Arab nation and the lack of values, and in light of the American control over the world, the PLO proceeds through phases, without changing its strategy. Let me tell you, when the ideology of Israel collapses, and we take, at least, Jerusalem, the Israeli ideology will collapse in its entirety, and we will begin to progress with our own ideology, Allah willing, and drive them out of all of Palestine."
Abomination: a.bom.i.na'shan, the act of abominating. a.bom'i.nat, v.t. --abominated, abominating. [L. abominor, abominatus, to deprecate, as an ill omen--ab, from, and omen, an omen.] Abomination, (1)Something extremely hated or despised; like Islam ? (2)that which is abhored;like Islam ? (3)something detestable; (4)the state of being loathed. (5)something that produces a strong aversion, as disgust. Like suicide bombers and beheading civilians workers , tourists and journalists?Desolation: des'o.la'shan, n. [L.L. desolatio(n-).] (1)Being in a state of ruin;Like most Muslim countries ?? (2)Destitute of consolation; (3)forsaken; (4)Devastated; deprived of inhabitants; (5)barren or waste; (6)dreary or dismal. (7)depravation of companionship or comfort; --des.o.late.ly, adv.--des.o.late.ness, n. Sounds like most Islamic countries to me
Matthew 24 : 15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,'( a Palestinian leader on TV standing triumphantly in Palestinian Jerusalem ??[b] spoken of through the prophet Daniellet the reader understand
Daniel 9 : 25 "Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree [f] to restore and rebuild Jerusalem ( 1948 )until the Anointed One, [g] the ruler, ( Jesus ) comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.'( the many countries or leaders of countries and organizations who have helped or stood in alliance with those who helped rebuild Israel ) It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.( like it has been since 1948 ) 26 After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing.
( eventually Christianity outlawed in Israel in our future ) The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.( the Palestinians muslims ) The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He( anti christ ) will confirm a covenant with many( Nato UN NUA EU NWO ETC ? ) for one 'seven.( organizations with power and wealth that influeunce courties and their rulers??)' [i] In the middle of the 'seven' [j] he ( the anti christ ) will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination ( statue or symbol ?)that causes desolation,( because his Islaic allies hate statues and symbols ? ) until the end that is decreed is poured out on him
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Matthew 24 : 15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,'( a Palestinian leader on TV standing triumphantly in Palestinian Jerusalem ??[b] spoken of through the prophet Daniellet the reader understand
Daniel 9 : 25 "Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree [f] to restore and rebuild Jerusalem ( 1948 )until the Anointed One, [g] the ruler, ( Jesus ) comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.'( the many countries or leaders of countries and organizations who have helped or stood in alliance with those who helped rebuild Israel ) It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.( like it has been since 1948 ) 26 After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing.
( eventually Christianity outlawed in Israel in our future ) The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.( the Palestinians muslims ) The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He( anti christ ) will confirm a covenant with many( Nato UN NUA EU NWO ETC ? ) for one 'seven.( organizations with power and wealth that influeunce courties and their rulers??)' [i] In the middle of the 'seven' [j] he ( the anti christ ) will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination ( statue or symbol ?)that causes desolation,( because his Islaic allies hate statues and symbols ? ) until the end that is decreed is poured out on him
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Daniel 11 : 26 Those who eat from the king's provisions
( muslims ) will try to destroy him;( when he wants to put the abominable statue in the wing of the temple )his army will be swept away, and many will fall in battle. 27 The two kings( major players in the NWO )?? and with their hearts bent on evil, will sit at the same table and lie to each other, but to no avail, because an end will still come at the appointed time. 28 The king of the North ( Soviet Union , Russia , or USA???) will return to his own country with great wealth, but his heart will be set against the holy covenant.( this is why Russian allies with so many Muslim countries like Iran and the USA is allied with secular Israeli government ) He will take action against it and then return to his own country.
29 "At the appointed time he will invade the South again, but this time the outcome will be different from what it was before. 30 Ships of the western coastlands
( Nato ) will oppose him, and he will lose heart. Then he will turn back and vent his fury against the holy covenant. He will return and show favor to those who forsake the holy covenant. ( Islamic,the Palestinains Buddhist, Hindu ,countries and /or Jewish Israel )
31 "His ( the anti christ )armed forces ( large % consisting of Palestinian muslims )will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress ( this could only include Jews if they do not set up the sacrifices when they start again )and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they ( these will be the non muslim ones because they were swept away in verse ) will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 32 With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant,( new age christians??) but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.
33 "Those who are wise will instruct many, though for a time they will fall by the sword or be burned or captured or plundered.( Revelations 13 : 9, 10 ) 34 When they fall, they will receive a little help, and many who are not sincere will join them. 35 Some of the wise will stumble, so that they may be refined, purified and made spotless until the time of the end, for it will still come at the appointed time.
Which is on or before the lifetime of a generation after Israel was rebuilt starting in 1948.The King Who Exalts Himself
36 "The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place. 37 He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all. 38 Instead of them, he will honor a god of fortresses; a god unknown to his fathers he will honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts. 39 He will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of a foreign god and will greatly honor those who acknowledge him. He will make them rulers over many people and will distribute the land at a price. [e]
40 "At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. 41 He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. 42 He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. 43 He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Nubians in submission. 44 But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many. 45 He will pitch his royal tents between the seas at [f] the beautiful holy mountain. Yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.
( muslims ) will try to destroy him;( when he wants to put the abominable statue in the wing of the temple )his army will be swept away, and many will fall in battle. 27 The two kings( major players in the NWO )?? and with their hearts bent on evil, will sit at the same table and lie to each other, but to no avail, because an end will still come at the appointed time. 28 The king of the North ( Soviet Union , Russia , or USA???) will return to his own country with great wealth, but his heart will be set against the holy covenant.( this is why Russian allies with so many Muslim countries like Iran and the USA is allied with secular Israeli government ) He will take action against it and then return to his own country.
29 "At the appointed time he will invade the South again, but this time the outcome will be different from what it was before. 30 Ships of the western coastlands
( Nato ) will oppose him, and he will lose heart. Then he will turn back and vent his fury against the holy covenant. He will return and show favor to those who forsake the holy covenant. ( Islamic,the Palestinains Buddhist, Hindu ,countries and /or Jewish Israel )
31 "His ( the anti christ )armed forces ( large % consisting of Palestinian muslims )will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress ( this could only include Jews if they do not set up the sacrifices when they start again )and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they ( these will be the non muslim ones because they were swept away in verse ) will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 32 With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant,( new age christians??) but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.
33 "Those who are wise will instruct many, though for a time they will fall by the sword or be burned or captured or plundered.( Revelations 13 : 9, 10 ) 34 When they fall, they will receive a little help, and many who are not sincere will join them. 35 Some of the wise will stumble, so that they may be refined, purified and made spotless until the time of the end, for it will still come at the appointed time.
Which is on or before the lifetime of a generation after Israel was rebuilt starting in 1948.The King Who Exalts Himself
36 "The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place. 37 He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all. 38 Instead of them, he will honor a god of fortresses; a god unknown to his fathers he will honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts. 39 He will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of a foreign god and will greatly honor those who acknowledge him. He will make them rulers over many people and will distribute the land at a price. [e]
40 "At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. 41 He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. 42 He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. 43 He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Nubians in submission. 44 But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many. 45 He will pitch his royal tents between the seas at [f] the beautiful holy mountain. Yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.
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Garry2,
Those Rev.12:3-4 verses I referenced in my post are about Satan's rebellion of old. The later Rev.12:9 verse specifically tells us the identity of the "dragon" as Satan himself. So, refer back to that dragon in the Rev.12:3-4 verses and understand it means Satan.
Those Rev.12:3-4 verses I referenced in my post are about Satan's rebellion of old. The later Rev.12:9 verse specifically tells us the identity of the "dragon" as Satan himself. So, refer back to that dragon in the Rev.12:3-4 verses and understand it means Satan.
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Yes I know that the dragon is satan, but I don't agree with you that rev 12:3-4 is satans rebellion before adam and eve.
It is clearly an end time event.
Revelation 1
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
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I agree. John 11:48 "If ever we should be letting Him thus, All will be believing into Him, and shall be coming the Romans and they shall be taking away/arousin <142> (5692) of Us, and the Place/topon <5117> and the Nation."
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Daniel 9 : 25 "Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree [f] to restore and rebuild Jerusalem ( 1948 )until the Anointed One, [g] the ruler, ( Jesus ) comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.'( the many countries or leaders of countries and organizations who have helped or stood in alliance with those who helped rebuild Israel ) It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.( like it has been since 1948 ) 26 After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing.
( eventually Christianity outlawed in Israel in our future ) The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.( the Palestinians muslims ) The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end,This has not yet come to pass because the end has not yet come. But war has been ongoing since 1948 between the Arabs and the Israelites. So anyone who says this has already been fulfilled is greatly decieved. and desolations have been decreed
Also this Arabs ( Palestinians ) never lost ALL rights to Jerusalem until 1948....
Nehemiah 2 : 19 But when Sanballat the Horonite, Tobiah the Ammonite official and Geshem the Arab (Palestinian?)heard about it, they mocked and ridiculed us. "What is this you are doing?" they asked. "Are you rebelling against the king?"
20 I answered them by saying, "The God of heaven will give us success. We his servants will start rebuilding, but as for you, you have no share in Jerusalem or any claim or historic right to it."
( eventually Christianity outlawed in Israel in our future ) The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.( the Palestinians muslims ) The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end,This has not yet come to pass because the end has not yet come. But war has been ongoing since 1948 between the Arabs and the Israelites. So anyone who says this has already been fulfilled is greatly decieved. and desolations have been decreed
Also this Arabs ( Palestinians ) never lost ALL rights to Jerusalem until 1948....
Nehemiah 2 : 19 But when Sanballat the Horonite, Tobiah the Ammonite official and Geshem the Arab (Palestinian?)heard about it, they mocked and ridiculed us. "What is this you are doing?" they asked. "Are you rebelling against the king?"
20 I answered them by saying, "The God of heaven will give us success. We his servants will start rebuilding, but as for you, you have no share in Jerusalem or any claim or historic right to it."
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God is allowing Carter to be used here to make sure Nehemiah 2 : 20 and Daniel 9 : 26 are not proven wrong.
Carter is illuminati.
I think I figured out what he was doing. He wanted to destabilize the Palestinians .
The Illuminati knows God will not allow Israel to lose control of Jerusalem.
He did this ....
Former US President Jimmy Carter was urged by Palestinian Authority officials on Tuesday not to talk with Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal in Damascus during his upcoming visit to Syria. The officials are worried that Carters scheduled visit with Mashaal could weaken PA chairman Mahmoud Abbas and indirectly acknowledge Hamas takeover of Gaza as legitimate. This [Carters visit] is not a good idea The meeting will strengthen Hamas and legitimize its illegal and bloody coup in the Gaza Strip," said one PA official. Despite intense international criticism, Carter spoke with Hamas previous deputy prime minister Nasser Eddin Shaer on Tuesday, who walked away from the terror militia after his arrest in May by the IDF and publicly condemns the groups Gaza takeover. During Shaers visit, among other Palestinian leaders meeting with Carter, the former Hamas leader said he was warmly greeted with a hug. It was a positive meeting, said Shaer. He also said that Carter was told by the Palestinian leaders that reaching peace with Israel was feasible and added, Israel must abide by all the agreements [with the Palestinians], lift the siege imposed on the Gaza Strip, release all prisoners and stop its daily military aggressions on the Palestinian people so as to pave the way for a just and comprehensive peace." Meanwhile, to honor the former PLO chairman Yasser Arafat for his historic role in serving his peoples cause, Carter placed a wreath made of roses on his grave, and said Arafat was a dear friend, reported The Jerusalem Post.
To prevent this....
Bull this will never happen.
'Olmert offers Abbas 64% of West Bank'
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has offered the Palestinian Authority some 64 percent of the West Bank as part of a future peace agreement, the London-based Arabic paper Asharq Al-Awsat reported Wednesday. According to the report, Olmert told PA chairman Mahmoud Abbas that the Palestinians could "forget about territory west of the security fence." The prime minister also presented Abbas with several offers regarding Jerusalem, including Israeli control over east Jerusalem and its holy sites, but allowing Palestinians entry. The news comes after the religious Shas faction warned it would topple Olmerts government for even "creating an atmosphere" that could lead to the division of Jerusalem.
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Great!! Now maybe the Protestants can finally take over!!!!!
TO SHOE-HORN PROPHESY IS DISHONEST!
I've been doing some investigations of Daniel and Revelation Mystery Babylon......
No Mystery here, that's Papal Rome.
sources..
http://www.ellisskolfield.com/pdf/TFPChapters1-9.pdf
Wikepedia
Bible
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Numbers 24:21
And he looked on the Kenites, and took up his parable, and said, Strong is thy dwellingplace, and thou puttest thy nest in a rock.
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סלע
sela‛
seh'-lah
From an unused root meaning to be lofty; a craggy rock, literally or figuratively (a fortress): - (ragged) rock, stone (-ny), strong hold.
Love in Christ, sarah
And he looked on the Kenites, and took up his parable, and said, Strong is thy dwellingplace, and thou puttest thy nest in a rock.
H5553
סלע
sela‛
seh'-lah
From an unused root meaning to be lofty; a craggy rock, literally or figuratively (a fortress): - (ragged) rock, stone (-ny), strong hold.
Love in Christ, sarah
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Can you imagine what would happen to the church at large, if the majority of them were believing in a pre-tribulation exit, but they were wrong?
I can guesstimate there'd be a great falling away, due to nothing less but a crappy theory people thought was a fact.
Maybe it is a fact, but you'd better turn loose and not "shoe horn" the thing. God's been known to function outside of our understanding to keep our spirit on it's toes, hasn't He???
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I can guesstimate there'd be a great falling away, due to nothing less but a crappy theory people thought was a fact.
Maybe it is a fact, but you'd better turn loose and not "shoe horn" the thing. God's been known to function outside of our understanding to keep our spirit on it's toes, hasn't He???
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Can you imagine what would happen to the church at large, if the majority of them were believing in a pre-tribulation exit, but they were wrong?
I can guesstimate there'd be a great falling away, due to nothing less but a crappy theory people thought was a fact.
Maybe it is a fact, but you'd better turn loose and not "shoe horn" the thing. God's been known to function outside of our understanding to keep our spirit on it's toes, hasn't He???
Matthew 24 : 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
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NO!
You are calling God's Word on the subject a "crappy theory"??????
GOD SAID that the consecrated one's will be gathered to Him prior to wrath!!!!!!!!
Furthermore, I don't think you understand....anything. WE have been enduring wars, famines, plagues, persecution, and death as well as trials and temptations and all the CRAP that the devil can throw at us for nearly 2000 years!!! What else can he possibly do to us?
We've won! We have the victory! Even if we die, we live! What can the devil do to us???? There is no more!
Should I fear the devil?????? IS that what you are suggesting? Do you think that he could possibly produce something more difficult and dreadful than what we've already faced or just more of the same?
I am not going to buy into this idea that we should fear and dread what the devil might do to us. That's utter hogwash! He's doing his damage NOW. Every single day is a fight and struggle. THIS LIFE is not the real life, the next one is. This is the forty years in the desert. This is our wilderness. This is our time of testing. The struggle is for the souls of men...where we will spend eternity and has nothing to do with whether or not we survive judgment and wrath on earth. Talk about being earthly-minded!!!! THIS LIFE MEANS NOTHING and will be like a distant, brief memory compared to what is planned for us.
Jesus had 40 days of testing.
Israel had 40 years of testing.
THe church has 40 Jubilees of testing. (40 x 50years = 2000 years)
The gathering to Christ of His bride, the believers, is when judgment begins. It has nothing to do with trying to avoid death or tribulation. God says "its time to come home" and we come home. It doesn't matter if we are physically alive or dead. In fact, I'd say that the great majority of the great multitude of believers is already dead and will be coming with Christ for their bodies which will be glorified.
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Guys, this (turning from the faith, false christs) has been going on since Christ ascended. It's nothing new.Can you imagine what would happen to the church at large, if the majority of them were believing in a pre-tribulation exit, but they were wrong?
I can guesstimate there'd be a great falling away, due to nothing less but a crappy theory people thought was a fact.
Maybe it is a fact, but you'd better turn loose and not "shoe horn" the thing. God's been known to function outside of our understanding to keep our spirit on it's toes, hasn't He???
Matthew 24 : 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
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Sorry to keep on arguing with you about stuff jen, but I suppose that's what a forum is for.. but I don't think the guy was saying the bible is crappy, just the rapture theory is crappy..
NO!
You are calling God's Word on the subject a "crappy theory"??????
Furthermore, I don't think you understand....anything. WE have been enduring wars, famines, plagues, persecution, and death as well as trials and temptations and all the CRAP that the devil can throw at us for nearly 2000 years!!! What else can he possibly do to us?
There's a lot that can be done.. The Romans fed people to lions, and much worse, many people caved in and then later tried to get back with the church, there was a big argument about it in the early church, if they should be let back in after being traitors to Christ.
The inquisition/medieval state (sorry catholics but it's true) burnt people alive. It's still a test if people can put up with any of that, of just cave in like others have done, or take the mark?
NO!
You are calling God's Word on the subject a "crappy theory"??????
Furthermore, I don't think you understand....anything. WE have been enduring wars, famines, plagues, persecution, and death as well as trials and temptations and all the CRAP that the devil can throw at us for nearly 2000 years!!! What else can he possibly do to us?
There's a lot that can be done.. The Romans fed people to lions, and much worse, many people caved in and then later tried to get back with the church, there was a big argument about it in the early church, if they should be let back in after being traitors to Christ.
The inquisition/medieval state (sorry catholics but it's true) burnt people alive. It's still a test if people can put up with any of that, of just cave in like others have done, or take the mark?
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First of all, let me say that even though I disagree or "argue", it's with passion in trying to prove the point with scriptures. I love all my brothers and sisters in Christ.
Having said that, what is the point of the "rapture" no matter when it happens?
When it does happen, the spririts of the dead in Christ come to earth, the bodies rise, we are all changed...given glorified bodies...and are caught up to meet Christ in the air.
Does this have anything to do with the devil or what the devil's plans are? NO!
This is God's plan. He plans to come out of His dwelling place and judge the earth's inhabitants, pour out wrath because the amount of sin on it is outrageous and just getting worse. But, when He makes that decision, there is a whole group of people whom He has consecrated, set apart as Holy. He gathers them up and takes them to the place prepared, judges them (us) by the blood of the Lamb, and gives us our eternal reward. Then, He seals a portion of Israel for protection while He starts judging the world. He gives people multiple chances to repent but most do not. He does make everyone choose a side, however.
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Does this have anything to do with the devil or what the devil's plans are? NO!
This is God's plan. He plans to come out of His dwelling place and judge the earth's inhabitants, pour out wrath because the amount of sin on it is outrageous and just getting worse. But, when He makes that decision, there is a whole group of people whom He has consecrated, set apart as Holy. He gathers them up and takes them to the place prepared, judges them (us) by the blood of the Lamb, and gives us our eternal reward. Then, He seals a portion of Israel for protection while He starts judging the world. He gives people multiple chances to repent but most do not. He does make everyone choose a side, however.
That depends if you believe in the rapture or not. If you don't as I don't, then I expect things to be getting very bad in the world, and hope and pray that I won't go to pieces and cave in when the xxxx hits the fan.. So I am preparing for what is to come, and don't expect to rise up into the sky to meet Jesus. But if you do believe in the rapture, you do not expect to have to put up with terrible stuff, and this is what the bit about the devil is about. If it's a deception, then it will be proven false, and the church will still be here, and then they might think, 'the word of God has failed us' and lose heart and be weakened in faith. When it's actually a bunch of pastors preaching that stuff, which is the crappy bit, because they are leading people astray, so that people do not brace themselves for the tribulation. It's totally up to you if you believe that. I don't and never have, and never will. There has never been a time when the church has escaped persecution and it will not happen in the future. The devilish bit, is if people are teaching a lie. I don't think you can trust any of those preachers, look how Billy Graham turned out, a high mason, who now denies the exclusive redemption of Jesus. There have always been teachers of lies, it was the same in Paul's day, no different now.
This is God's plan. He plans to come out of His dwelling place and judge the earth's inhabitants, pour out wrath because the amount of sin on it is outrageous and just getting worse. But, when He makes that decision, there is a whole group of people whom He has consecrated, set apart as Holy. He gathers them up and takes them to the place prepared, judges them (us) by the blood of the Lamb, and gives us our eternal reward. Then, He seals a portion of Israel for protection while He starts judging the world. He gives people multiple chances to repent but most do not. He does make everyone choose a side, however.
That depends if you believe in the rapture or not. If you don't as I don't, then I expect things to be getting very bad in the world, and hope and pray that I won't go to pieces and cave in when the xxxx hits the fan.. So I am preparing for what is to come, and don't expect to rise up into the sky to meet Jesus. But if you do believe in the rapture, you do not expect to have to put up with terrible stuff, and this is what the bit about the devil is about. If it's a deception, then it will be proven false, and the church will still be here, and then they might think, 'the word of God has failed us' and lose heart and be weakened in faith. When it's actually a bunch of pastors preaching that stuff, which is the crappy bit, because they are leading people astray, so that people do not brace themselves for the tribulation. It's totally up to you if you believe that. I don't and never have, and never will. There has never been a time when the church has escaped persecution and it will not happen in the future. The devilish bit, is if people are teaching a lie. I don't think you can trust any of those preachers, look how Billy Graham turned out, a high mason, who now denies the exclusive redemption of Jesus. There have always been teachers of lies, it was the same in Paul's day, no different now.
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I've had a look at the OP again. There's too much, and I don't agree with it now anyway.
The main points that I'm trying to get at is that the Dome of the Rock, is the abomination that causes desolation..
Also the moon landings were faked.
So Daniel started off his prediction from the beginning of Nebuchadnezzar's reign in 606BC.
When the sacrifice had stopped.
11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
The reign of Nebuchadnezzar, 606 BC/ 605BC 1290 years - 606 BC
Dome of the Rock - 685 AD
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Rev 11:3 ... and I will grant authority to my two witnesses,and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:7 And when they [the Two Witnesses] shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
The two witnesses are the Church and Israel.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots and a mouth speaking great things.
Rev 13:1-2 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Rev 17:10-11 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
'Anyone got an idea about what this means? Coz I haven't.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
I wish he had given a bit more specific information so we can try and work out what he's on about.. if nobody can work it out, what use is it to anyone?
Rev 17:12-13 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
The main points that I'm trying to get at is that the Dome of the Rock, is the abomination that causes desolation..
Also the moon landings were faked.
So Daniel started off his prediction from the beginning of Nebuchadnezzar's reign in 606BC.
When the sacrifice had stopped.
11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
The reign of Nebuchadnezzar, 606 BC/ 605BC 1290 years - 606 BC
Dome of the Rock - 685 AD
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Rev 11:3 ... and I will grant authority to my two witnesses,and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:7 And when they [the Two Witnesses] shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
The two witnesses are the Church and Israel.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots and a mouth speaking great things.
Rev 13:1-2 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Rev 17:10-11 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
'Anyone got an idea about what this means? Coz I haven't.
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
I wish he had given a bit more specific information so we can try and work out what he's on about.. if nobody can work it out, what use is it to anyone?
Rev 17:12-13 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
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Yes, there have always been teachers of lies and people rejecting Jesus and turning away, falling away.
To deny that there is NO catching away to meet Jesus in the air (regardless of timing) is to deny 1 Thess 4:13-18. It is also denying the idea that we have a heavenly home which Jesus himself promised us.
So, those who don't believe in any kind of meeting Christ in the air need to have a chat with God to find out the truth.
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Well I suppose we'll have to agree to differ on that.
A bit off topic, but I guess you want to do it again?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mouUUWpEec0
A bit off topic, but I guess you want to do it again?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mouUUWpEec0
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