Christ's Atonement?

The atonement was not completed on the Cross and it was not completed while Jesus was dead. The sacrificial aspect was finished, of course, but the completion of the atonement is done by the High Priest Jesus in the Sanctuary in Heaven when He ceases His mediating.

Originally posted by Anthony
Was Christ's Atonement completed on the Cross

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Yes.  An atonement, His death, served as an appeasing propitiation to God's wrath.  Jesus' death satisfied that wrath.

God bless 

Originally posted by Anthony
Did Jesus take our sins to hell with him?

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Huh?

uh oh, someones been listening to Benny Hinn/ Word of Faith preachers.

Originally posted by Anthony
Was Christ's Atonement completed on the Cross; or was it completed in Hell? Was it necessary for Christ to go to Hell for our Atonement?

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When Abraham and God made the covenant, it was sealed by the blood sacrifice of many animals. God walked through the blood of the animals to seal the covenant. In covenant terms, this meant, "May it be done likewise to the one who breaks the covenant." That is, the one who kept the covenant perfectly had the right to rip open the body of the one who broke the covenant and walk through his blood. As you know, God kept the covenant and we broke it, everyone of us.

But instead of God ripping all of us apart and shedding our blood, he allowed us to punish him for our misdeeds by ripping him open and shedding his blood. What amazing love! We deserved the death, but he took it upon himself instead! Hell and satan never enter into this picture. We owed God the debt, not satan. God paid the debt to himself that we owed. There was no covenant with satan, nor was he part of the covenant ever.

So, the atonement, the payment, was completed at the cross.

I'm not aware of any Christians, outside of the Word Of Faith movement,
that believe this. Of course, they also believe they can no longer sin, so take there message with a LARGE grain of salt.

There's some woman preacher on TV, Joyce Meyers, I think her name is, and I've heard her preach that Christ had to go to hell to wrestle the keys of heaven away from satan. Total bunk and not at all Biblical!

Yup, Joyce Meyer is one of the WOF preachers.

Where did she get that idea from?

Where did he get the idea?

From Kenneth Hagin

Okay. What is the source of this belief?

you're not supposed to post links here are you?

here's an exerpt about WOF preaching.


What Is the Word of Faith Movement?

The Word of Faith (WF) movement emerged within Charismatic/Pentecostal Christianity in the latter 20th century. The Word of Faith movement as a whole has no formal organization or authoritarian hierarchy, though the movement does have a number of high-profile teachers who heavily influence Word of Faith theology. It's basic theology is a peculiar mix of orthodox Christianity and mysticism.

Kenneth Hagin is often referred to as the "father" of the Word of Faith movement, but in reality it was Phineas Parkhurst Quimby (1802-1866) who laid the foundations. It was Quimby's metaphysical teachings that influenced E.W. Kenyon, and it was E.W. Kenyon's teachings that in turn influenced Kenneth Hagin. Most prominent Word of Faith teachers today draw their inspiration from Kenneth Hagin.

The "force" of faith, an unbiblical view of faith, is the foundation of Word of Faith theology. Proponents believe they can use words to manipulate the faith-force, and thus actually create what they believe Scripture promises (health, wealth, etc.). Laws supposedly governing the faith-force are said to operate independently of God's sovereign will -- God Himself being subject to the "laws" of faith.

Doctrines considered essential by historic Christianity are not necessarily considered essentials in Word of Faith theology. Word of Faith teachers often redefine or reinterpret Christian essentials in order to fit them into their own peculiar theological systems. These reinterpretations are often derived from "revelation knowledge" (i.e. special revelations supposedly from God, given specifically to the WF teacher). Placing "revelation knowledge" above Scripture is one reason why WF teachers often blatantly contradict Scripture (and often each other). For example, one WF teacher, when speaking of God said, there are nine of them; and yet another WF teacher, when speaking of Jesus said, I (Jesus) never claimed to be God.

Word of Faith teachers are notorious for teaching everything from the heretical to the downright ridiculous. For example, one WF teacher (who recently renounced WF) once stated that Adam could fly, and women were originally designed to give birth from their sides. Many sincere Christians within the WF movement are unaware that their favorite teachers are teaching doctrines that flatly contradict the Word of God. One reason for this lack of discernment is that followers are told that questioning the teacher is synonymous with "touching God's anointed," or "quenching the Spirit." They are unaware that Scripture encourages us to test all teaching by the written Word of God.


THE ATONEMENT

WF: Word of Faith theology has completely rewritten and redefined the atonement. In WF, Jesus suffered and died on the cross, descended into hell (supposedly the seat of Satan's government), spent three days serving a sentence in hell (where He was tortured by demons), was then born again and released from hell on a technicality.

When Jesus was in the pit of hell, in that terrible torment, no doubt the Devil and his emissaries gathered around to see the annihilation of God's Son. But in the corridors of hell, there came a great voice from heaven: "Turn Him loose! He's there illegally!" And all of hell became paralyzed. (Capps, Authority in Three Worlds, p. 143, emphasis in original)

Jesus was born again before his eyes! (Ibid, p. 189, emphasis in original)

BIBLE: Jesus was not "born again." He could not be born again since He did not have a sinful nature. The sacrifice had to be perfect -- Christ alone had no sin nature. "(B)ut with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake" (1 Peter 1:19-20).

Christ did not descend into hell. He descended into Hades (Sheol) and preached to the Old Testament saints in paradise. "The he said, 'Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. Jesus answered him, 'I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise'" (Luke 23:42-43).

Hell (Gehenna) is not the seat of Satan's government. Hell is currently unoccupied. Hell is a place of punishment and torment where Satan, demons, and the unregenerate will eventually be cast. Christ did not serve a sentence in hell; He atoned for our sins on the cross. "When he had received the drink, Jesus said, 'It is finished (tetelestai).' With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit" (John 19:30).

That's frightening. That's a terrible redefinition of faith! Faith is our response to God's revelation of himself and to his character, not a "force."

I actually think I read one of these books. It was by an author called Matthew Fox, but I can't remember the title of the book. It had some of the same ideas in it. Is he one of the WOF people?

And is WOF the same as Word of Life?

When I first became a Christian, I got involved in the WOF movement, without even realizing it ~ I knew nothing.

It takes a very long time to get the false teachings out of your head once you're out ~ bad, bad stuff.

As far as I know, Christ's Atonement was completed at the Cross.  If it wasn't, why would He say right before He died, "it is finished".  If he needed to go to Hell to "wrestle", wouldn't He have said, "I'm almost done here, but I hafta go wrestle with Satan for awhile to complete......what?"

 I think about everyone I know has got involved with this WOF.

  Seems it is almost like a brain washing.

 It  resembles the prosperity preaching.

 It is a doctrine that sounds so good to a new believer.

 It can destroy your faith.

 when it don't happen and don't happen your faith gets weak.

 Actually your faith was based on a lie, mostly about what you can recieve from God.

 New cadillac anyone?

  Can God be bought?

 No, he don't need your money. Sorry about the spacing it's not working right.