Verv
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#13: thanks, going off the deep end usually means something positive in my experience. Your argument of 'decency' not being 'bombarded' with sexuality highlights my earlier point about the virgin/dichotomy. As stated, the primary function of breasts is food, not sex. So, why are bare breasts 'indecent' or 'dirty?' As for being bombarded with sex, have you been in a US major city lately? You can't walk 20 yards without being bombarded with ads of women in skimpy clothes posed in some submissive manner. Look at tv ads. Well over half use sex to peddle their cheap products.
(1) Regardless of what the primary purpose of a 'breast' is, it does not matter. In that regards, most people urinate more often than they have sex -- would this make it acceptable to walk around with your goods out because it's primary purpose is urination?
(2) There is a large difference between a sexually suggestive picture and an outright sexual picture.
Note: that shouldve been 'virgin/harlot dichotomy. Okay, seeing some red herrings. Nobody is talking about nude men or repression. If you want to argue men are turned on by bare breasts, so what? Are we animals incapable of controlling ourselves? There are tons of topless beaches and they don't need the Rape Police stationed every few feet. Seems like this law reflects our Western sexual objectification of women and we 'part' them out by their breasts, legs, etc. Hey, short skirts pique men's sexual interest so let's make them illegal. This is about equality and I've yet to see a sound argument that supports the double standard.
It isn't about rape. It is about the sensibilities of our culture and our people and generally not wanting to get on a bus and be confronted with a pair of breasts or a penis, and more than that, I definitely do not want to one day have kids and walk around with people exposing their genitalia to them because come on man, it's my body! I can do with it what I want.
Here are three more examples of double standards. It's illegal to smoke in Federal buildings but in DC all the legislators can smoke in their offices. Gambling is illegal, so buy a lottery ticket. At 18 you can rock the Vote + get a free M-16. You may even be ordered to kill another human being. But wait three years before you crack that beer.
I agree with you on the other three.
I'm afraid I have to disagree here. "Decency" is entirely a cultural concept (as opposed to a "universal" concept). Not so long ago a view of a woman's ankle--let alone calf or knee--was considered "too much" for a (Western) man's peace of mind. Elsewhere there are Pacific and African cultures where both men and women go all but naked and cultures where a woman cannot show more than her eyes if she wishes to be considerd a decent, chaste woman.
Coming from an old and strong (unisex) sauna culture, if you like, I don't feel uncomfortable at all being naked among other women or seeing naked women, especially in a sauna/spa/lockerroom environment. I mean, I (*we*) do it all the time. So my fellow ladies have breasts of every shape and size; I have a pair too. My fellow ladies also have noses of every shape & size; and so do I. Big deal. Same with the men. Saunailta/sauna evening is an important and hugely popular social male/female/family/workplace/business bonding get-together event here. I have bathed with family members and friends of the opposite sex without getting all hot & bothered. Like Kermit said, you get used to it and the "wow" factor wears off faster than you know. Of course, it helps that Finnish sauna and sex do not belong together; trying to make sexual advances in a Finnish sauna is considered a big no-no. As to the complete strangers, I have taken unisex steam baths in a quality spa and had no problems there either. It's all about the right time and place. And social norms/mores, I suppose
I suppose I could also put forward the argument that sometimes less is actually more and a body in sexy underwear/clothing can be viewed to be more desirable than a wholly unclothed body with all its flaws, if you like, fully in view.
And that is your culture.
Of course it is cultural...
So why should we change our culture? Why is it better to walk around naked all the time? Why is that desirable?
Why should we begin doing that?
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