preacher cuts up Harry Potter books

the part of the book that was quoted in the article was from the last few chapters of the 4th book. It was the most evil thing done in the entire series and was done by the villian. The heros of the book make it clear that what was done was horrible, and also that evil like that can't be used for good.

I don't want to get into this debate, but it does bother me when people quote the villan of a book, and then imply that that is what the book promotes. If the villian of a book is not bad, wrong, and evil, than what kind of villian is he? If every character in every book were good, what conflict and what kind of plot would you have?

I completely agree, Palmtree.

There are similarly disgusting things in all literature (even though I am not calling these idiotic books literature) however the problem with Harry Potter is that little kids are reading it.

If this scene you mentioned means in itself the books are demonic and evil for all ages, then be consistent and demand that Macbeth by Shakespeare (much, much, much worse BTW) never be read by any Christian of any age.

BTW I do not read the Potter books. I think they are stupid, idiotic, and a waste of time, however we need solid reasons for condemning them, not just a scene inappropriate for young children, a laundry list of problems which are never really defined or shown in context with actual quotes as such, and other such things.

Using these standards, anything could be condemned. For example, if you read Judges 19 in the holiest and only 100 percent true Book in the world (the Bible) out of context, you could say the Bible was disturbing and not good reading because of this scene.

So until someone posts a reliable article with some really convincing information (this excludes The Onion: it is satirical and not real. It also excludes Crossroad.to: it is the Christian equivalent of the National Enquirer IMO, and I'm already refuting one article from there in my spare time) I will not promote nor attack these books.

BTW, the listing from the article linked to is utterly wrong. There is no God or Goddess mentioned in the Harry Potter books, for example. But I'm sure those of us who have read them already know that.

One last thing: JeremiahFilms may have some good Christian information, nevertheless I would like to note that they are also very good at sensationalism.

For instance, if I remember correctly, they published some Y2K paranoia films, and the borderline slander video "The Clinton Chronicles" (which even Jerry Falwell distanced himself from BTW) also came from there.

Originally posted by lisa03wilson
the part of the book that was quoted in the article was from the last few chapters of the 4th book. It was the most evil thing done in the entire series and was done by the villian. The heros of the book make it clear that what was done was horrible, and also that evil like that can't be used for good.

I don't want to get into this debate, but it does bother me when people quote the villan of a book, and then imply that that is what the book promotes. If the villian of a book is not bad, wrong, and evil, than what kind of villian is he? If every character in every book were good, what conflict and what kind of plot would you have?

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I agree, and thank you for clearing that up with the context, Lisa.

Originally posted by Susan
BTW I do not read the Potter books. I think they are stupid, idiotic, and a waste of time,

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So until someone posts a reliable article with some really convincing information <snip> I will not promote nor attack these books .

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Uh, ok.

May I ask how you arrived at your opinion that the harry potter series is "stupid, idiotic, and a waste of time" if you have not read the books yourself? Also, what type of fiction do you consider not stupid, not idiotic and not a waste of time to read? Please give some examples.

I wonder, too, why the Pullman trilogy is not more criticized by the fundamentalists. It's a series meant for children, and it is blatantly anti-religious and, specifically, anti-Christian. Perhaps it's because no blockbuster movies have been made of the trilogy? Hmmmm. Great books, by the way. I highly recommend them.

Funny how the choice is not to go after what actually attacks Christianity most strongly but what is most popular. Hmmmmm....

To be honest susan, i haven't read macbeth.
I can't say anything about the hp movies as i haven't seen them. The same thing about the pullman triology, i haven't even heard of it.

Just to add something, i think i have gotten this thread off topic. The discussion was supposed to be about the preacher who ripped up the hp books. Sorry Danilla.

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I am discovering a link between the crowd that thinks Harry Potter is dangerous and those who think withcraft is "real." I suppose if you believe in trolls and unicorns (like the bible says) then you might be worried. If you believe people can use spells and that the spells have "real" power, then you would be concerned. If you think witches really do ride brooms, then you might be worried about junior thinking he could take the household broom for a spin.

I do not believe in supernatural witchcraft power. Supernatural explanations are not needed to explain how spells and voodoo work. That's why these books don't bother me. My kids now fake (like withcraft in movies, faith healers, etc) from real (courage and committment, devotion to prayer).

the occult is rife in our world the paper and tv and cartoons books schools so chill Jesus will still be lord no matter what we are subjected to

Originally posted by Daniella
dont say sorry i find the whole covo interesting off topic or not its interesting

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The preacher is extreme and does not represent all of Christianity in his beliefs about Potter.&nbsp; His approach is unChristian and unbiblical creating more hostility between the world and the Chrisitan faith.&nbsp; As Christians, we should categorically condemn this action.&nbsp; He should be disciplined by his denomination.&nbsp; WE must deal with OUR fanatic fringe and make it clear they do not have the authority of mainstream Christianity.

Ok.&nbsp; Back on topic?

Cutting up Harry Potty books, yeesh. What some people will do for attention these days

That is what bothers me about this: it seems much like a showcase for a REAL sin: pride. For instance, how do you think the people involved felt? Overpowered with the awe of God's grace? Humbled by their sins and weakness as mere humans?

No: they probably felt superior to all others around, felt that they were being the best Christian example, and wanted to proudly showcase their goodness to all who could see.

Pride is in itself sin.

Amen, Sister Susan.

Even if Harry Potter were evil, I don't recall using sin to fight sin being a teaching of Christ.

I just have one question: you that are opposed to Harry Potter...do you watch The Wizard of Oz?

I think it's disgusting that someone would cut up books as a protest. one of the great things about Harry Potter is that it taught children how reading can be fun, and to have a new respect for books. now they see some crazies cutting up and destroying books. what sort of message are we sending children? if you don't like Harry Potter...well, that's your opinion, but for heaven's sake don't promote the destruction of literature. not to mention that it's an incredibly immature thing to do for attention.

and I'd be willing to bet that the guy cutting up the books hasn't read them in the first place.

Sunshine--I couldn't agree more!

People who are SO against Harry Potter need to sit down and write a Christian children's book that millions and millions of children will read, and THEN they can gripe.