Is baptism of the DEAD biblical?

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Originally posted by edpobre
Mormons practice "baptism by proxy" where the DEAD are baptized by baptizing a relative in the DEAD person's behalf.

Is this biblical? Isn't this a very "cool" way to be saved? What do you think?

 

The Bible mentions something about people being baptized for the dead. It doesn't say anything about whether or not that saves the dead person.

Personally, I think Paul is just pointing to a logical contradiction in order to make the point that people WILL be resurrected. Corinthians were baptizing people for the dead, yet they were confused about whether or not there will be a resurrection. That wouldn't make sense -- why bother baptizing anyone for the dead if the dead will always be dead?

1 Cor 15
29 Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them?
 
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Pauls' argumant is not concerning 'dead' people at all! He is arguing the position of those who denied the ressurection, by stating that Baptism typifies our hope of ressurection, and our new life in Christ. The dead people were being baptized for, was not some saint who had passed , or some obscure family member, or a lost soul. Paul is playing 'devil's advocate' if you will. If the dead do not rise, then Christ did not rise. If Christ did not rise your baptism shows no victory, no new life, no hope in Christ, but a vain faith in a dead'savior', who would in this case be no savior at all. Paul was arguing for the purpose of baptism, its symbolic message, and the truth it teaches concerning ressurection. We shall rise because he is risen! Praise the Lord.

btw, Hi edp - an associate from Theologyforums some time back.

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Originally posted by Christopher
Pauls' argumant is not concerning 'dead' people at all! He is arguing the position of those who denied the ressurection, by stating that Baptism typifies our hope of ressurection, and our new life in Christ. The dead people were being baptized for, was not some saint who had passed , or some obscure family member, or a lost soul. Paul is playing 'devil's advocate' if you will. If the dead do not rise, then Christ did not rise. If Christ did not rise your baptism shows no victory, no new life, no hope in Christ, but a vain faith in a dead'savior', who would in this case be no savior at all. Paul was arguing for the purpose of baptism, its symbolic message, and the truth it teaches concerning ressurection. We shall rise because he is risen! Praise the Lord.

btw, Hi edp - an associate from Theologyforums some time back.

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Hi Christopher,

Glad to see you here. Welcome. Hope you'll enjoy your stay here.

Ed
 
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Originally posted by edpobre
"My dear friends,

do not believe all who claim to have the spirit, but test them to find out if the spirit they have comes from God. For many false prophets have gone out everywhere.
Ed

Originally posted by edpobre
Like Jesus, Bro. Felix Manalo TAUGHT that he was SENT by God and BACKED UP his belief by prophecies recorded in the Bible like what Jesus did. Bro. Felix Manalo TAUGHT doctrines from God like what Jesus did.
Ed

Originally posted by edpobre
because it is in the Philippines where this TRUE "Church of Christ" RE-EMERGED.
As anyone can SEE, these doctrinal statements are NOT mandated by the INC Administration but are MANDATED by God THROUGH the INC Administration.
Ed

Originally posted by edpobre
Like Jesus, Bro. Felix Manalo TAUGHT that he was SENT by God and BACKED UP his belief by prophecies recorded in the Bible like what Jesus did. Bro. Felix Manalo TAUGHT doctrines from God like what Jesus did.
Ed

Originally posted by edpobre
because it is in the Philippines where this TRUE "Church of Christ" RE-EMERGED.
As anyone can SEE, these doctrinal statements are NOT mandated by the INC Administration but are MANDATED by God THROUGH the INC Administration.
Ed


Originally posted by edpobre
The IGLESIA NI CRISTO is the TRUE church of Christ in these last days.
Thus, ONLY members of the IGLESIA NI CRISTO WILL be saved!




That's TRUE! The work of Christ on the cross is NOT sufficient in of itself for salvation
One must ENTER the FOLD or FLOCK in order to be SAVED. That fold or flock is the IGLESIA NI CRISTO, the TRUE church of Christ in these last days.

The IGLESIA NI CRISTO is the TRUE church of Christ in these last days. It has been GIVEN to them to KNOW The mysteries of the kingdom of heaven THROUGH a MESSENGER commissioned by God THROUGH Bible PROPHECIES.
Ed 
 





Alpha and Omega


The Trinity: The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit


Is the Creedal Doctrine of Trinity Biblical


A brief declaration and vindication of the Trinity


The following links provide information regarding Iglesia ni Cristo, it's founder, their doctrine, who they state Jesus is?, what Salvation is according to their man-made doctrinal beliefs, the control they adminster to it's members, their deceptive practices, and the claims of the founder, Felix Manalo and his belief that he is spoken of in scripture as a messenger of God/The 5th angel.

There is a considerable amount of data that has been gathered on Iglesia ni Cristo, much of it from their own publications and former members.

I believe it is well worth the time reading over the information regarding Iglesia ni Cristo, indeed.


Examine Iglesia ni Cristi

http://members.tripod.com/insiders_inc/

http://www.gospelcom.net/apologeticsindex/i00.html

http://www.letusreason.org/igleidir.htm

http://members.tripod.com/~janchung/table_of_contents.html

http://members.tripod.com/~janchung/false_messenger.html

http://members.tripod.com/xcrusaders/angeleast.html

http://www.adeptsys.com/chrysalis/Pages/info/iglesia.html

http://www.nossumus.net/iglesyanikristo/lesson11.html

http://www.examineiglesianicristo.com/honesty4.html

http://thebereans.net/qa-realname.shtml
 
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“what will they do who are being baptized for the purpose of being dead ones? If the dead are not to be raised up at all, why are they also being baptized for the purpose of being such? Why are we also in peril every hour?” (1 Corinthians 15:29, 30) Paul did not mean that living individuals were baptized in behalf of dead ones, as some Bible translations make it appear. After all, baptism is related to Christian discipleship, and dead souls cannot be disciples. (John 4:1) Rather, Paul was discussing living Christians, many of whom, like Paul himself, were “in peril every hour.” Anointed Christians were ‘baptized into Christ’s death.’ (Romans 6:3) Since their anointing, they were being “baptized,” as it were, into a course that would lead to a death like that of Christ. (Mark 10:35-40) They would die with the hope of a glorious heavenly resurrection. 1 Corinthians 6:14; Philippians 3:10, 11.
 
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Originally posted by edpobre
Mormons practice "baptism by proxy" where the DEAD are baptized by baptizing a relative in the DEAD person's behalf.

Is this biblical? Isn't this a very "cool" way to be saved? What do you think?

 

In my opinion if you have not been saved by the time you are dead, it's too late.

 
 
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Originally posted by edpobre
Mormons practice "baptism by proxy" where the DEAD are baptized by baptizing a relative in the DEAD person's behalf.
Is this biblical? Isn't this a very "cool" way to be saved? What do you think? 

It's a Mormon belief not held by Christians, Just as Muslims have their beliefs which are also not held by Christians. This "baptism by proxy" has had some pretty strange recipients:

All the signers of the Declaration of Independence, Abraham Lincoln, Paul Revere, William Shakespeare, Napoleon Bona Parte, Christopher Columbus, David Livingstone, and Daniel Webster.

1993 - Mormons baptized by proxy Adolf Hilter and Eva Braun

1995 - Anne Frank, Sigmund Freud, David Ben-Gurion 

  
Mormons have another one called "Blood Atonement"

There are sins that men commit for which they cannot recieve forgiveness in this world, or in that which is to come, and if they had their eyes open to see their true condition, they would be perfectly willing to have their blood split upon the ground, that the smoke thereof might second to heaven as an offering for their sins - Brigham Young in JOD vol 4, 1856
 
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What Paul mentioned had nothing to do with any gnostic or otherwise proxy practice - Paul was relating to the ministry of the firstfruits church of the "this generation" [Mt 23-24] time frame 30-70AD prior the Christ's parousia, in the outworking of the salvation brought through the Cross and brought to fruition when He returned as He promised. 

Check out www.pantelism.com and click on 'Articles on Resurrection' then down to #3 "Baptised for the Dead" for an examination of this.

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