According to revelation, there will be 144,000 Jews in heaven.
I´m sorry, but I think you have to read it well: the 144.00 Jews are of all the tribes of the children of Israel.Originally posted by solo66 man
According to revelation, there will be 144,000 Jews in heaven.
Ofcourse they go to heaven. All Jews ans Israëli´s (Rom.11:25-26 after Zach.12:10) will accept Yeshua (Jesus)!Originally posted by Crazy4Christ
After all they are God's chosen people right? :o
You are imposing an interpretation of Paul's meaning over the plain teaching of Jesus: "...condemned already."Originally posted by Noa
But do not ignore the promise of G´d that every Jew and every Israëli will accept Yeshua as their Messiah!
Originally posted by Martin
I have a different take on this....
I understand that Yeshua will return when the Jewish leaders realise that they have rejected the Messiah, repent of there sin, and call for Him to return. At the time Yeshua returns all Israel will be saved i.e. all the Jews at that time - not Jews that are living now.
true.The reason why there is so much anti-semitism in the world and the main reason for the Holocaust is that the enemy knows this.
Amen.His strategy is simple - destroy all the Jews, then there will be no Jew to repent and call for Yeshua to return, Yeshua will not be able to return and He will have won (at least that's what he thinks, but God has promised to protect the remnant of Jews).
Blessings....
Originally posted by Simonline
Noa,
Bless you for your understanding...you are almost right.
When Paul teaches that "all Israel will be saved" he did not mean every single Israelite who ever lived (and certainly not every single citizen of the modern state of Israel many of which are gentiles.)
The guiding principle here is that salvation is by faith in Jesus. As it is written "The just shall live by faith." (Hab.2:4; Rom.1:17). There is no other way to be declared righteous either as an Israelite or as a gentile but to receive the righteousness of G'd as a free gift by faith. This was as true for Abraham ("And Abraham trusted G'd and it was credited to him as righteousness. Gen.15:6; Rom.4:3,22) as it is for us.
If this is not the case then it means that G'd has two means of salvation, by birth for Israelites but by faith for Gentiles? In other words you have to trust God as a gentile but you only have to be born an Israelite? Does this sound fair to you? (though it is what many Jews believe including the Jews of Jesus' day)
When Paul teaches that "all Israel will be saved" he uses the term "pas Israel" which is translated as "all Israel" but does not literally mean every single Israelite who has ever lived. The same phrase ("pas" - "all") is used in the gospels where the Pharisees were bemoaning the popularity of Jesus as he rode into Jerusalem on a donkey.
"So the Pharisees said to one another...look how the whole world has gone after him"(Jn.12:19).
Now the Pharisees obviously did not mean that every single person on the planet at that time was in Jerusalem following and cheering on Christ. What they meant was that representatives from many nations (who were in Jerusalem for the Passover) were now following Christ and hailing him as the Messiah. But they used this expression "the whole world" or "all the world" to refer to a representative group.
This is the way that Paul uses the term "pas Israel" in Romans. What he means is that the second advent and the events immediately leading up to it will have such a profound effect upon the inhabitants of Israel that most (but not necessarily all) of them will turn in repentance back to the one whom they have pierced.
Bearing in mind that during the period known as "the Great Tribulation/The time of Jacob's trouble" which will actually be a time of Divine Judgement upon all unbelievers - Jew and Gentile alike, the forces of the Anti-Christ will have murdered two thirds of the Jewish people world wide so that only the one third (the remnant) will remain (as it is written "He who endures to the end will be saved" Matt.10:22). (Please note that this does not necessarily mean that all the murdered ones were unbelievers nor that the survivors were all believers).
This is the correct interpretation of Matt.24:37-42 and actually has nothing to do with "the rapture" as many Dispensationalists believe. The key verse is verse 37 which says "As it was in the days of Noah so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man". In other words everything will continue as "normal" "business as usual" right up to the very end when the judgement came/comes (the flood/the Great Tribulation).
And during that judgement who were the ones who were taken (judged) and who were the ones who were left (survived)? So when two men are out walking in a field which one will be taken, the believer or the unbeliever? Two women grinding corn at the milstone, which one will be taken and which one will be left? Get the picture?)
This means that at the end Israel as a nation will be a believing nation, having been judgmentally purged of it's unbelief, but not one of them will be saved because they were born Jewish but rather because they each trusted in Yeshua as their Messiah.
Tuff Stuff!
Simonline.
Originally posted by solo66 man
According to revelation, there will be 144,000 Jews in heaven.
Originally posted by Noa
Ofcourse they go to heaven. All Jews ans Israëli´s (Rom.11:25-26 after Zach.12:10) will accept Yeshua (Jesus)!
Originally posted by Chili
But Noa, when Jews accept Yeshua they become Christians and will enter heaven as Christians.
Does this not mean that there will be no Jews in heaven but only Christians?
Originally posted by Noa
First you have to understand the meaning of the word ´Jew´. Jew is a Israeli who comes from the tribe of Judah or Benjamin. But it is also a believe.
From your persfective, I understand your questions and I can say: ´yes´, because every Israeli will see who Yeshua (Jesus) is and they will accept Him als their Messiah. BUT do not forget: the goj-christians are not able to make an Israeli in a Christian. There is a big difference! Only the Roeach is able to do that and you have to approache a Israeli different than a goj (not-Israeli).
Shalom!
Noa.