Personality type and Prayer

http://www.msgr.ca/msgr/WEBPrayerHANDBOOK_13_franciscan_prayer.htm
Franciscan prayer.

How did you C&P? It wont let me.
There is the link.

O, I got teacher too.

The Portait of the Teacher (ENFJ)
The Idealists called Teachers are abstract in their thought and speech, cooperative in their style of achieving goals, and directive and extraverted in their interpersonal relations. Learning in the young has to be beckoned forth, teased out from its hiding place, or, as suggested by the word "education," it has to be "educed." by an individual with educative capabilities. Such a one is the eNFj, thus rightly called the educative mentor or Teacher for short. The Teacher is especially capable of educing or calling forth those inner potentials each learner possesses. Even as children the Teachers may attract a gathering of other children ready to follow their lead in play or work. And they lead without seeming to do so.
Teachers expect the very best of those around them, and this expectation, usually expressed as enthusiastic encouragement, motivates action in others and the desire to live up to their expectations. Teachers have the charming characteristic of taking for granted that their expectations will be met, their implicit commands obeyed, never doubting that people will want to do what they suggest. And, more often than not, people do, because this type has extraordinary charisma.
The Teachers are found in no more than 2 or 3 percent of the population. They like to have things settled and arranged. They prefer to plan both work and social engagements ahead of time and tend to be absolutely reliable in honoring these commitments. At the same time, Teachers are very much at home in complex situations which require the juggling of much data with little pre-planning. An experienced Teacher group leader can dream up, effortlessly, and almost endlessly, activities for groups to engage in, and stimulating roles for members of the group to play. In some Teachers, inspired by the responsiveness of their students or followers, this can amount to genius which other types find hard to emulate. Such ability to preside without planning reminds us somewhat of an Provider, but the latter acts more as a master of ceremonies than as a leader of groups. Providers are natural hosts and hostesses, making sure that each guest is well looked after at social gatherings, or that the right things are expressed on traditional occasions, such as weddings, funerals, graduations, and the like. In much the same way, Teachers value harmonious human relations about all else, can handle people with charm and concern, and are usually popular wherever they are. But Teachers are not so much social as educational leaders, interested primarily in the personal growth and development of others, and less in attending to their social needs.
Mikhail Gorbachev, Oprah Winfrey, Pope John Paul II, Ralph Nader, John Wooden, and Margaret Mead are examples of Teacher Idealists.
A full description of the Teacher and the Idealists is in People Patterns or Please Understand Me II

I went to the second and not the 1st..sorry.

subscribing - don't have time at the moment. I'm an INTJ I believe.

I tested out to be a Protector Guardian and my prayer is Ignatian Prayer. And yes, particular type of imagining and contemplation does appeal to me.

I'm an ENTJ. As such I already know all about me and have no time for this quiz. I hope someone will tell me what my worship style is.

Rational Portrait of the Fieldmarshal (ENTJ)

Of the four aspects of strategic analysis and definition it is marshaling or situational organizing role that reaches the highest development in the Fieldmarshal. As this kind of role is practiced some contingency organizing is necessary, so that the second suit of the Fieldmarshal's intellect is devising contingency plans. Structural and functional engineering, though practiced in some degree in the course of organizational operations, tend to be not nearly as well developed and are soon outstripped by the rapidly growing skills in organizing. But it must be said that any kind of strategic exercise tends to bring added strength to engineering as well as organizing skills.

As the organizing capabilities of the Fieldmarshal increase so does their desire to let others know about whatever has come of their organizational efforts. So they tend to take up a directive role in their social exchanges. On the other hand they have less and less desire, if they ever had any, to inform others.

Hardly more than two percent of the total population, Fieldmarshals are bound to lead others, and from an early age they can be observed taking command of groups. In some cases, they simply find themselves in charge of groups, and are mystified as to how this happened. But the reason is that they have a strong natural urge to give structure and direction wherever they are - to harness people in the field and to direct them to achieve distant goals. They resemble Supervisors in their tendency to establish plans for a task, enterprise, or organization, but Fieldmarshals search more for policy and goals than for regulations and procedures.

They cannot not build organizations, and cannot not push to implement their goals. When in charge of an organization, whether in the military, business, education, or government, Fieldmarshals more than any other type desire (and generally have the ability) to visualize where the organization is going, and they seem able to communicate that vision to others. Their organizational and coordinating skills tends to be highly developed, which means that they are likely to be good at systematizing, ordering priorities, generalizing, summarizing, at marshaling evidence, and at demonstrating their ideas. Their ability to organize, however, may be more highly developed than their ability to analyze, and the Fieldmarshal leader may need to turn to an Inventor or Architect to provide this kind of input.

Fieldmarshals will usually rise to positions of responsibility and enjoy being executives. They are tireless in their devotion to their jobs and can easily block out other areas of life for the sake of their work. Superb administrators in any field - medicine, law, business, education, government, the military - Fieldmarshals organize their units into smooth-functioning systems, planning in advance, keeping both short-term and long-range objectives well in mind. For the Fieldmarshal, there must always be a goal-directed reason for doing anything, and people's feelings usually are not sufficient reason. They prefer decisions to be based on impersonal data, want to work from well thought-out plans, like to use engineered operations - and they expect others to follow suit. They are ever intent on reducing bureaucratic red tape, task redundancy, and aimless confusion in the workplace, and they are willing to dismiss employees who cannot get with the program and increase their efficiency. Although Fieldmarshals are tolerant of established procedures, they can and will abandon any procedure when it can be shown to be ineffective in accomplishing its goal. Fieldmarshals root out and reject ineffectiveness and inefficiency, and are impatient with repetition of error.

actually - that really doesn't sound like me anymore. I just took the online testfrom the OP and came back:

Idealist Portrait of the Champion (ENFP)

Which sounds more like me today. Can personallity types change over time? And why does mine have to have "NFP" in it? NFP blows.


Like the other Idealists, Champions are rather rare, say two or three percent of the population, but even more than the others they consider intense emotional experiences as being vital to a full life. Champions have a wide range and variety of emotions, and a great passion for novelty. They see life as an exciting drama, pregnant with possibilities for both good and evil, and they want to experience all the meaningful events and fascinating people in the world. The most outgoing of the Idealists, Champions often can't wait to tell others of their extraordinary experiences. Champions can be tireless in talking with others, like fountains that bubble and splash, spilling over their own words to get it all out. And usually this is not simple storytelling; Champions often speak (or write) in the hope of revealing some truth about human experience, or of motivating others with their powerful convictions. Their strong drive to speak out on issues and events, along with their boundless enthusiasm and natural talent with language, makes them the most vivacious and inspiring of all the types.

Fiercely individualistic, Champions strive toward a kind of personal authenticity, and this intention always to be themselves is usually quite attractive to others. At the same time, Champions have outstanding intuitive powers and can tell what is going on inside of others, reading hidden emotions and giving special significance to words or actions. In fact, Champions are constantly scanning the social environment, and no intriguing character or silent motive is likely to escape their attention. Far more than the other Idealists, Champions are keen and probing observers of the people around them, and are capable of intense concentration on another individual. Their attention is rarely passive or casual. On the contrary, Champions tend to be extra sensitive and alert, always ready for emergencies, always on the lookout for what's possible.

Champions are good with people and usually have a wide range of personal relationships. They are warm and full of energy with their friends. They are likable and at ease with colleagues, and handle their employees or students with great skill. They are good in public and on the telephone, and are so spontaneous and dramatic that others love to be in their company. Champions are positive, exuberant people, and often their confidence in the goodness of life and of human nature makes good things happen.

actually - that really doesn't sound like me anymore. I just took the online testfrom the OP and came back:

Idealist Portrait of the Champion (ENFP)

Which sounds more like me today. Can personallity types change over time? And why does mine have to have "NFP" in it? NFP blows.


Like the other Idealists, Champions are rather rare, say two or three percent of the population, but even more than the others they consider intense emotional experiences as being vital to a full life. Champions have a wide range and variety of emotions, and a great passion for novelty. They see life as an exciting drama, pregnant with possibilities for both good and evil, and they want to experience all the meaningful events and fascinating people in the world. The most outgoing of the Idealists, Champions often can't wait to tell others of their extraordinary experiences. Champions can be tireless in talking with others, like fountains that bubble and splash, spilling over their own words to get it all out. And usually this is not simple storytelling; Champions often speak (or write) in the hope of revealing some truth about human experience, or of motivating others with their powerful convictions. Their strong drive to speak out on issues and events, along with their boundless enthusiasm and natural talent with language, makes them the most vivacious and inspiring of all the types.

Fiercely individualistic, Champions strive toward a kind of personal authenticity, and this intention always to be themselves is usually quite attractive to others. At the same time, Champions have outstanding intuitive powers and can tell what is going on inside of others, reading hidden emotions and giving special significance to words or actions. In fact, Champions are constantly scanning the social environment, and no intriguing character or silent motive is likely to escape their attention. Far more than the other Idealists, Champions are keen and probing observers of the people around them, and are capable of intense concentration on another individual. Their attention is rarely passive or casual. On the contrary, Champions tend to be extra sensitive and alert, always ready for emergencies, always on the lookout for what's possible.

Champions are good with people and usually have a wide range of personal relationships. They are warm and full of energy with their friends. They are likable and at ease with colleagues, and handle their employees or students with great skill. They are good in public and on the telephone, and are so spontaneous and dramatic that others love to be in their company. Champions are positive, exuberant people, and often their confidence in the goodness of life and of human nature makes good things happen.

LOL, just did the test - yes I'm an INTJ alright, and I score 100% on introversion. Definitely not a people person.

And I definitely recognize the combination of perfectionism and disregard for authority.

Still no time to figure out the prayer thing yet.

Understanding MBTI more will help interpret these sorts of things.

I actually came across this a year or two ago and found it quite interesting. There do seem to be kinds of prayer that are more appropriate for certain types, and I would add that having a more appropriate kind of prayer should not preclude cultivating various disciplines, especially solitude. (Dav--I'm fairly sure you aren't suggesting that, but it might as well be said.)

RebekkaH said:

LOL, just did the test - yes I'm an INTJ alright, and I score 100% on introversion. Definitely not a people person.

And I definitely recognize the combination of perfectionism and disregard for authority.

Still no time to figure out the prayer thing yet.

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Introversion is not about whether you are a people person or not. The I/E scale is about emotional energy requirements. I types will draw their energy from within, making most/all interactions energy-draining. E types will draw their energy from others, making most/all interactions energy-boosting.

I would say you are not a people-person because of a few key factors: you think in much wider terms than they do (our unparalleled Ni), you are more skeptical than they are, and you are unimpressed with typical sources of authority. Those amount to falling out of normalcy.

I've taken this on-line assessment before, and each time I took it I came up am ENTJ. However, I have taken two professionally administered tests in the past and my results were ENFP and ENTP. Though this suggests that I should consider the Thomisitic prayer type, I'm more comfortable with and actually do use the Augustian type.

What does all of this mean? F-U-N!!

BTW--there are several books which deal with spirtuallity in general and the MBTI as well as those which use it in correlation with Christianity. One of my favorites is "Prayer and Temperament".

Also, I believe the MBTI can help explain why people prefer different parts of their faith and why others are drawn to other types of practices. This could also explain why some leading personalites of Christian history spearheaded a certain movement. St. Francis was very much into the present (SP) for instance.

Interesting, that test put me as an ISFJ, I've been scored as an INFJ several times. Not sure which assesment is most accurate.

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Mine came up as ENFJ, but I thought I was more of an ENTJ. After reading the descriptions given...I think they may be right, not me. But my percentage for F over T wasn't all that high.

So apparently I like Augustinian prayer.

hehe these prayers are good for me.

I got ENFJ.

Wow, seems like there are alot of teachers here!

Thanks for this thread bro!

I was an ENFP--Augustinian prayer.

I thought it was interesting to see that my best careers would be journalist/reporter, musician, and public relations--the three areas of endeavor which I have worked at most of my adult life.

Maybe there IS something to it.

But as for Augustinian prayer, I did not know that such a thing existed. I am familiar with Benedictine prayer and the liturgy of the hours, and have read and done retreats based on the spiritual exercises of St. Ignatius.

From what I have seen so far, it appears that some of the Biblical exercises listed under Augustinian prayer were also used in my Ignatian retreat.

I'm an "INFP"? "The Healer".

Gettouta here!