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EliasEmmanuel
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Hi Jasmine 
First of all, I'm very glad things are going better.
Now, I know I'm a latecomer in this thread but I wanted to make a few observations, and offer what I can....
To begin with, I'd like to kind of back up what Gerry said.... Personally, I seriously doubt any Pastor who'd give up on someone (you said he didn't ask how you were anymore and he seemed not to care). Jesus gave us a model for those in leadership, and it included a Shepherd who'd leave 99 sheep to find the one that was in distress. I'd also question the message about God not using "dirty vessels"...... any vessel in the Master's hands (and you are) is clean.
Also..... I really don't believe it matters if you were involved in the Occult, or prayed to Satan before you were saved. Because scripture says you're not that person anymore and all that's passed. Anything less would imply that some piddly nobody demon could resist the power of Christ, which we know isn't true. He defeated those powers, mocking them publically (Colosians 2:15). Whoever it was that did whatever you did, she's dead now. I'd submit that what Satan and his kin want is for you to dwell on the past in guilt rather than see who you are now.
Second, I'd like to agree with those who've suggested that this may not be entirely demonic. Now, you said you'd be to a psychiatrist or therapist who said you were fine.... well, I can't pretend to know how you deal with him/her, but I get the feeling you're not telling your doctor what you're telling us. A psychiatrist or therapist can only help to the extent that we're honest with them.
Now, you said you know this isn't a physical problem, but spiritual, because when you ask Jesus for help. Well, think of it this way; I get migraine headaches, not all the time but more than most people. If I pray for the Lord to lessen or take away a headache and it vanishes, that doesn't mean my problem was spiritual. I think you really need to consider the possibility of a physical component here, because I'd hate to think of you being miserable and beating yourself up in guilt over something that turned out to be a biochemical problem. You wouldn't be ashamed to go to the doctor for, say, diabetes. Don't be afraid to pursue this.
In any case, I'll be praying for you Jasmine. God bless
-Elias
First of all, I'm very glad things are going better.
Now, I know I'm a latecomer in this thread but I wanted to make a few observations, and offer what I can....
To begin with, I'd like to kind of back up what Gerry said.... Personally, I seriously doubt any Pastor who'd give up on someone (you said he didn't ask how you were anymore and he seemed not to care). Jesus gave us a model for those in leadership, and it included a Shepherd who'd leave 99 sheep to find the one that was in distress. I'd also question the message about God not using "dirty vessels"...... any vessel in the Master's hands (and you are) is clean.
Also..... I really don't believe it matters if you were involved in the Occult, or prayed to Satan before you were saved. Because scripture says you're not that person anymore and all that's passed. Anything less would imply that some piddly nobody demon could resist the power of Christ, which we know isn't true. He defeated those powers, mocking them publically (Colosians 2:15). Whoever it was that did whatever you did, she's dead now. I'd submit that what Satan and his kin want is for you to dwell on the past in guilt rather than see who you are now.
Second, I'd like to agree with those who've suggested that this may not be entirely demonic. Now, you said you'd be to a psychiatrist or therapist who said you were fine.... well, I can't pretend to know how you deal with him/her, but I get the feeling you're not telling your doctor what you're telling us. A psychiatrist or therapist can only help to the extent that we're honest with them.
Now, you said you know this isn't a physical problem, but spiritual, because when you ask Jesus for help. Well, think of it this way; I get migraine headaches, not all the time but more than most people. If I pray for the Lord to lessen or take away a headache and it vanishes, that doesn't mean my problem was spiritual. I think you really need to consider the possibility of a physical component here, because I'd hate to think of you being miserable and beating yourself up in guilt over something that turned out to be a biochemical problem. You wouldn't be ashamed to go to the doctor for, say, diabetes. Don't be afraid to pursue this.
In any case, I'll be praying for you Jasmine. God bless
-Elias
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Wow, Elias! You're only 22? What a mature post! Everything you said is right on! Just understand that those who have dabbled in the occult, often have a harder time in their spiritual growth. Mainly because the spirits with which they dabbled, will harrass the person, and sometimes require more effort. Yet we are victorious in Him---for no power or authority or "demi-god" possesses a microscopic FRACTION of the Lord's power! "Greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world!"
Yes Jasmine, we are concerned whether your situation is more spiritual or physical, but we love you and pray for you just the same. Please keep us posted, as you seek a REAL pastor, and a second medical opinion.
God bless you, all of you!
Yes Jasmine, we are concerned whether your situation is more spiritual or physical, but we love you and pray for you just the same. Please keep us posted, as you seek a REAL pastor, and a second medical opinion.
God bless you, all of you!
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From http://www.spiritualabuse.com/dox/barb.htm
Leadership, as Jesus defined it, means servanthood.
Whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, Jesus said (Matthew 20:26). He illustrated that statement soon afterward by wrapping a towel around his waist, dropping to his knees and washing the filthy feet of his disciples, including those of his betrayer.
God illustrates the converse for us in Ezekiel 34, where he tells Ezekiel to warn the shepherds of Israel, the pastors of that era, that they are only taking care of themselves. You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bound up the injured, God says. You have not brought back the strays or searched for the lost. You have ruled them harshly and brutally (Ezekiel 34:4). Richard hadnt seemed to us like a harsh and brutal person; his public demeanor was nearly always mild-mannered. Yet the effects of his abusive behavior, and of his wifes abusive behavior, were harsh and brutal. If pastors are not serving those whose bodies or souls are weak, sick, or injured, if they are not extending any care toward those who have lost interest in the church or in God, or if they are presenting, by their words or actions, a faith based on performance (see Galatians 3:3), their behavior might be aptly described as harsh and brutal. They are only taking care of themselves. They are not following Jesus example and acting as servants for their people.
Leadership, as Jesus defined it, means servanthood.
Whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, Jesus said (Matthew 20:26). He illustrated that statement soon afterward by wrapping a towel around his waist, dropping to his knees and washing the filthy feet of his disciples, including those of his betrayer.
God illustrates the converse for us in Ezekiel 34, where he tells Ezekiel to warn the shepherds of Israel, the pastors of that era, that they are only taking care of themselves. You have not strengthened the weak or healed the sick or bound up the injured, God says. You have not brought back the strays or searched for the lost. You have ruled them harshly and brutally (Ezekiel 34:4). Richard hadnt seemed to us like a harsh and brutal person; his public demeanor was nearly always mild-mannered. Yet the effects of his abusive behavior, and of his wifes abusive behavior, were harsh and brutal. If pastors are not serving those whose bodies or souls are weak, sick, or injured, if they are not extending any care toward those who have lost interest in the church or in God, or if they are presenting, by their words or actions, a faith based on performance (see Galatians 3:3), their behavior might be aptly described as harsh and brutal. They are only taking care of themselves. They are not following Jesus example and acting as servants for their people.
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EliasEmmanuel
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You're gonna give me a big head (big, big bald head...)... but thanks
It's fully possible.... I just think it's a case by case thing. Definitions vary.... how far dabbling goes, what it entails, etc.... I think it's fully possible to be dabbling or at least really interested in some aspect of the Occult and not actually be dealing with Demons (because, IMO, demons probablyhave better things to do than follow every lil' Magick-curious person around and mess with reality for them). But I do think it's something to consider, so long as it's not a way for someone to blame a person's past for their troubles (the whole "generational curse" thing and similar lines of thinking) or throwing someone's past in their face.... (not that you're doing that, but... sadly people always seem to be able to find another way to abuse and lord over each other)
-Elias
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JohnR7
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The pastor here was lead by God to start preaching about how to deal with mind battles about 30 years ago. The funny thing is, no one was having mind battles back then, but they sure are now.
James says to submit to God, and then resist the devil and he will flee from you. We can only resist when we first are in submission to God. Following His will and His plan for us and out lives.
Also, what you said about how God wants us to witness to others. Matthew 11:28-30 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. [29] Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. [30] For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."
The yoke that is so easy and the burden that is so light is a burden for the lost.
Also, there is the scripture about casting your cares on the lord.
My experance is sometimes we need to join together with our brothers and sisters in the lord to have the strength we need to over come. God does not want us out there by ourselves. That is why He left the 99 to go get the one lost sheep. He know that one off by themselves had no real defense. So we need to always be praying for each other.
The way to enter into the presense of God, is though prayer and praise. Even fasting and reading the word of God. The enemy can not stand to hear the worship and the praise of God and will flee from it.
So these are a few things that are known to work when your dealing with mind battles. There are of course a lot more. Of course the most important thing to do is to walk in love and in faith.
We know that there are going to be tests, trials, troubles. But we know that the righteous will overcome them all. We are more than conquers and our vistory is in Jesus. That is why we walk in faith, knowing God is going to bring us through it. So that we can be strong and even help others.
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JohnR7
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There was a time when I was tempted to give up on some people. But then I realized that God does not give up on them. There are those who give up on God, but God does NOT give up on us.
So, I figured, since God does not ever give up on anyone, then neither am I. At least I am not going to give up on them 'tell He does. I know that God will go about 100 times further with someone than I would, if I were apart from Him.
I sure am glad God did not give up on me. I gave up on me a few times, but God did not. He continues to work in my life to bring me along into His plan. Sometimes I think no way is this going to happen. But then I see that Jesus is the way and that He is the one who is going to make it happen. Jesus never fails. He can and He will finish the work He began in us.
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My pastor is not really that bad as you think he is. He refers me to his wife.
And her advices is for me not to dabble in occultic stuffs. I had been through two deliverances with this pastor, something which is much better than my previous church.
Furthermore, when I never attend service. He notices my absence. So I do think he cares about me, but he can't just focus on me.
Furthermore, after a while, I keep my struggles to myself, so he couldn't know that I am still struggling. I really like this pastor a lot, but I just felt awakward talking to him. I am a person who is reserve.
And her advices is for me not to dabble in occultic stuffs. I had been through two deliverances with this pastor, something which is much better than my previous church.
Furthermore, when I never attend service. He notices my absence. So I do think he cares about me, but he can't just focus on me.
Furthermore, after a while, I keep my struggles to myself, so he couldn't know that I am still struggling. I really like this pastor a lot, but I just felt awakward talking to him. I am a person who is reserve.
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