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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/23/wUS123.xml
Telegraph.co.uk said:
A brilliant speaker, Mr Obama often uses the rhetorical trick of rapidly repeating words and slogans and using catchy phrases that tend to attract young Americans, while having very little substance.
Telegraph.co.uk said:
When Oprah Winfrey endorsed Mr Obama in Iowa last month she proclaimed: “I believe he is The One.”

At the campaign’s “Camp Obama” - a training programme run ahead of primaries in key states - volunteers are schooled to avoid talking to voters about policy, and instead tell of how they “came” to Obama, just as born-again Christians talk about “coming to Jesus.”

New York Times columnist David Brooks wrote: “Obama’s people are so taken with their messiah that soon they’ll be selling flowers at airports and arranging mass weddings.”

Would you agree that there is something "cult like" about Obama supporters?
 

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No more so than the supporters of any other charismatic individual, both in and out of the political arena. People tend to focus on whats going on NOW that they don't particularly like and forget (or never knew about) similar things that have gone on before.
 
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/23/wUS123.xml

The Cult of Obamaism...


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Originally Posted by Telegraph.co.uk
A brilliant speaker, Mr Obama often uses the rhetorical trick of rapidly repeating words and slogans and using catchy phrases that tend to attract young Americans, while having very little substance.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Telegraph.co.uk
When Oprah Winfrey endorsed Mr Obama in Iowa last month she proclaimed: “I believe he is The One.”

At the campaign’s “Camp Obama” - a training programme run ahead of primaries in key states - volunteers are schooled to avoid talking to voters about policy, and instead tell of how they “came” to Obama, just as born-again Christians talk about “coming to Jesus.”

New York Times columnist David Brooks wrote: “Obama’s people are so taken with their messiah that soon they’ll be selling flowers at airports and arranging mass weddings.”



Would you agree that there is something "cult like" about Obama supporters?

Probably because he was a member of what most people would consider to be a cult:



SHARON HUGHES COLUMN
Barack Obama's Very Controversial Pastor

by Sharon Hughes
Barack Obama’s friend and pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, said in a 2003 church publication, "In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call
after 9/11. White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared,' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns."

But Barack Obama says he is "proud" of Rev. Wright and values their 20-year-long friendship, even if they “don’t agree on everything.”

Wright, who performed Obama's marriage and baptized his daughters, is also his close spiritual advisor. Barack's 2004 keynote speech to the Democratic National Convention was based on a sermon by Wright called "Audacity to Hope," which also inspired Barack's book, "The Audacity of Hope."

In the November-December 2007 issue of Trumpet, their church’s publication, Rev. Wright praised Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who has described whites as "blue-eyed devils" and Jews as "bloodsuckers." In the magazine Wright wrote, "He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest...and will be remembered as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African-American religious experience. His integrity and honesty have secured him a place in history as one of the nation's most powerful critics…and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his
purpose."

Farrakhan's photo is on the cover of that church magazine, accompanied with the headline: "The Minister truly epitomized greatness." Wright also presented Farrakhan with a "lifetime achievement" award during a church gala in Chicago, "For his commitment to truth, education and leadership." (See Wright's video honoring Farrakhan).

Recently Obama distanced himself from Farrakhan, but not from his pastor or his praise for Farrakhan. Why not?

For the record, it was Farrakhan who said: "They call (Hezbollah) terrorists, I call them freedom fighters. No one asks why they would do such a thing. Why would they do such a thing? What has driven them to this point? That's what the UN, the U.S. and Europe doesn't want to deal with because the Zionists have control in England, in Europe, in the United States and around the world."

"The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him. I will fight to see that vicious beast go down into the lake of fire prepared for him from the beginning, that he never rise again to give any innocent black man, woman or child the hell that he has delighted in pouring on us for 400 years." "Hitler was a very great man. He wasn't great for me as a Black man but he was a great German and he rose Germany up from the ashes of her defeat by the united force of all of Europe and America after the first World War."

"Now, that nation of Israel, never has had any peace in forty years and she will never have any peace because there can never be any peace structured on injustice, thievery, lying and deceit and using the name of God to shield your dirty religion under His holy and righteous name."

"Do you know some of these satanic Jews have taken over BET?... Everything that we built, they have. The mind of Satan now is running the record industry, movie industry and television. And they make us look like we’re the murderers; we look like we’re the gangsters, but we’re punk stuff.”

"This Koran says that the Jews have altered the word of God out of its place. They did not want the masters of the people to know what Jesus really said, what Moses really said, because then you wouldn't have a yardstick to measure their deviations."

"The Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man. He rose Germany up from the ashes." Farrakhan also claims to have received revelations directly from God, and conferred with the dead Elijah Muhammed while "on a wheel that you call a UFO," about secret meetings of Ronald Reagan with his cabinet. (Click here to hear audio of this claim).

Farrakhan's views are not only anti-Semitic and racist, but his efforts have not been to integrate Black America into mainstream America, have not been to unite -- something Barack Obama claims he will do as President of the United States.

Clearly, such views are dangerous to be affiliated with on any level if you’ re a candidate running for the President of the United States -- the President of all the people of the United States.

Do you think Hillary will use this information against Barack? Absolutely, if she thinks she needs to, and that it will help her win.

Interestingly, Obama took back his invitation for his pastor to pray at the launch of his campaign, apparently fearing controversy from Wright's Afrocentric teachings, and many are wondering if he wins the presidency, will he ask his close spiritual advisor, Rev. Wright, to pray at his inauguration?

While emails questioning Obama's Muslim roots flood the world-wide-web, and he answers those by pointing out that he is a member of Trinity United Church of Christ, an Afrocentric church that preaches what the New York Times calls Black liberation theology, a good question to ask is why does he continue to affiliate with a church, a pastor, that honors Louis Farrakhan, a man who called Judaism "a gutter religion," the Pope an "Antichrist" and Adolf Hitler "a wickedly great man," and said that "White people are potential humans - they haven't evolved yet"?
 
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Being a powerful and eloquent political speaker doesn’t make you a cult leader.

As far as substance goes I don't really see a gap between Obama, Clinton and McCain having looked over their political stances and plans. He just seems to be better at selling his plans and himself.

No one likes getting into the nitty gritty details when they are listening to political speeches. Obama is just (much) better at big picture speaking and generating enthusiasm, which is a trait he shares with almost every single effective leader I know.

I think he will have an easier time actually selling his positions to the American people than either McCain or Hillary once in office. This is, in my opinion, the primary job of the President anyway.

Hillary Clinton is an experienced POLITICIAN; Barrack Obama is a natural leader.
 
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Probably because he was a member of what most people would consider to be a cult:



SHARON HUGHES COLUMN
Barack Obama's Very Controversial Pastor

by Sharon Hughes
Barack Obama’s friend and pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, said in a 2003 church publication, "In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call
after 9/11. White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared,' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns."

But Barack Obama says he is "proud" of Rev. Wright and values their 20-year-long friendship, even if they “don’t agree on everything.”

Wright, who performed Obama's marriage and baptized his daughters, is also his close spiritual advisor. Barack's 2004 keynote speech to the Democratic National Convention was based on a sermon by Wright called "Audacity to Hope," which also inspired Barack's book, "The Audacity of Hope."

In the November-December 2007 issue of Trumpet, their church’s publication, Rev. Wright praised Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who has described whites as "blue-eyed devils" and Jews as "bloodsuckers." In the magazine Wright wrote, "He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest...and will be remembered as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African-American religious experience. His integrity and honesty have secured him a place in history as one of the nation's most powerful critics…and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his
purpose."

Farrakhan's photo is on the cover of that church magazine, accompanied with the headline: "The Minister truly epitomized greatness." Wright also presented Farrakhan with a "lifetime achievement" award during a church gala in Chicago, "For his commitment to truth, education and leadership." (See Wright's video honoring Farrakhan).

Recently Obama distanced himself from Farrakhan, but not from his pastor or his praise for Farrakhan. Why not?

For the record, it was Farrakhan who said: "They call (Hezbollah) terrorists, I call them freedom fighters. No one asks why they would do such a thing. Why would they do such a thing? What has driven them to this point? That's what the UN, the U.S. and Europe doesn't want to deal with because the Zionists have control in England, in Europe, in the United States and around the world."

"The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him. I will fight to see that vicious beast go down into the lake of fire prepared for him from the beginning, that he never rise again to give any innocent black man, woman or child the hell that he has delighted in pouring on us for 400 years." "Hitler was a very great man. He wasn't great for me as a Black man but he was a great German and he rose Germany up from the ashes of her defeat by the united force of all of Europe and America after the first World War."

"Now, that nation of Israel, never has had any peace in forty years and she will never have any peace because there can never be any peace structured on injustice, thievery, lying and deceit and using the name of God to shield your dirty religion under His holy and righteous name."

"Do you know some of these satanic Jews have taken over BET?... Everything that we built, they have. The mind of Satan now is running the record industry, movie industry and television. And they make us look like we’re the murderers; we look like we’re the gangsters, but we’re punk stuff.”

"This Koran says that the Jews have altered the word of God out of its place. They did not want the masters of the people to know what Jesus really said, what Moses really said, because then you wouldn't have a yardstick to measure their deviations."

"The Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man. He rose Germany up from the ashes." Farrakhan also claims to have received revelations directly from God, and conferred with the dead Elijah Muhammed while "on a wheel that you call a UFO," about secret meetings of Ronald Reagan with his cabinet. (Click here to hear audio of this claim).

Farrakhan's views are not only anti-Semitic and racist, but his efforts have not been to integrate Black America into mainstream America, have not been to unite -- something Barack Obama claims he will do as President of the United States.

Clearly, such views are dangerous to be affiliated with on any level if you’ re a candidate running for the President of the United States -- the President of all the people of the United States.

Do you think Hillary will use this information against Barack? Absolutely, if she thinks she needs to, and that it will help her win.

Interestingly, Obama took back his invitation for his pastor to pray at the launch of his campaign, apparently fearing controversy from Wright's Afrocentric teachings, and many are wondering if he wins the presidency, will he ask his close spiritual advisor, Rev. Wright, to pray at his inauguration?

While emails questioning Obama's Muslim roots flood the world-wide-web, and he answers those by pointing out that he is a member of Trinity United Church of Christ, an Afrocentric church that preaches what the New York Times calls Black liberation theology, a good question to ask is why does he continue to affiliate with a church, a pastor, that honors Louis Farrakhan, a man who called Judaism "a gutter religion," the Pope an "Antichrist" and Adolf Hitler "a wickedly great man," and said that "White people are potential humans - they haven't evolved yet"?
Well, I know Obama is a Christian, and perhaps he's loyal to the church that brought him to Christ in the first place, even though he might not agree with a lot.

As far as his opinons of race and minority, and muslims, Jews, ect. He has none of those views and is a very fair minded man. I have not seen him show any signs of racism or bigotry. Perhaps that is why people think so highly of him, even caucasion voters.
 
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Barack Obama has mountains of hype and is very well-liked. That does not make his movement "cult-like", as Obama does not behave as a cult leader does. Stereotypically, the cult leader couples an authoritarian personality with tactics that prevent others from questioning his authority or being exposed to other points of view. Obama's campaign and culture has been very open, so I would not call it "cult like" at all.

Are people so enthusiastic about Obama that it should be creepy? Maybe. I'm voting for the man, but not because I buy the hype; I have seen his senatorial record, especially as it compares to Clinton's. He consistently votes for social freedom, freedom of information, and open government. Also, it is especially important right now that we tell politicians that integrity matters, and I cannot support Hillary without questioning her integrity after watching this race unfold.

See http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/21/164117/783/290/461422
and http://you.presscue.com/node/442 for senatorial records. These are biased articles, but their facts are accurate. If you want to authenticate the facts for yourself, visit http://www.thomas.loc.gov/
 
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Barack Obama has mountains of hype and is very well-liked. That does not make his movement "cult-like", though. I say that because Obama does not behave psychologically as a cult leader does. Stereotypically, the cult leader has an authoritarian personality uses tactics that preclude others from questioning his authority, to "bring them into the herd". Obama's campaign and culture as an individual has been very open, so I would not call it "cult like" at all.

Are people so enthusiastic about Obama that it should be creepy? Maybe. I'm voting for the man, but not because I buy the hype; I have seen his senatorial record, especially as it compares to Clinton's. And, I must add, I have received the impression that he has showed more integrity during the race than Hillary.

See http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/21/164117/783/290/461422
and http://you.presscue.com/node/442, which includes every bill sponsored by Clinton.
There's no truth in it.

It's only one in a series of desperate slimes against him. "Cult-like" indeed.
Ringo
 
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The Obamahdi will save us all with promises of Hope! and Change!
Hope and change is better then Hillary pointing her finger and saying "shame on you!". Geez, sounds like someone's mother. And yet, she's going to bring unity instead of division?
 
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There's no truth in it.

It's only one in a series of desperate slimes against him. "Cult-like" indeed.
Ringo

Some people do find the level of enthusiasm creepy, and it's OK for them to feel that way. I just say judge him by his character and his positions. I'm curious to see what Joe thinks of their contrasting senatorial records.

That's also why I think he's different, that his promises of change are not hollow. Of course changing the country is a grinding process. Of course it will take a long time. Of course it will not be finished when Obama leaves office. But his record says -- with more authority than any other candidate's -- that he puts his nose to the grindstone and gets the job done.
 
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So if a man is tall, well built, has a million dollar smile, and is a great speaker and hyped by the #1 talk show host, he should be considered ahead of other candidates that have political experience? Even if that man belongs to a church that advocates white supremacy, though he never mentions the subject in his campaign speeches? Maybe we should not meddle in a candidates private/religious beliefs?
 
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Even if that man belongs to a church that advocates white supremacy, though he never mentions the subject in his campaign speeches?


I think you have your unsupported claims mixed up. :D

I wasn't aware that protestant congregational Christian churches are considered cults these days.

Your lies about his Christian church won't go unchallenged.

You should think about your motivations for stating them.
 
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So if a man is tall, well built, has a million dollar smile, and is a great speaker and hyped by the #1 talk show host, he should be considered ahead of other candidates that have political experience? Even if that man belongs to a church that advocates white supremacy, though he never mentions the subject in his campaign speeches? Maybe we should not meddle in a candidates private/religious beliefs?
Are they really black supremists over at that church?

I decided not to vote republican this year. I am, after all, a social democrat, and the only reason I voted republican last time was my stance on abortion.

So, there is Obama or hillary to vote for, and I must say there are a lot of reasons I don't like Hillary and some of her policies.

Hardly obsessed with the man, but I have looked into his christian ideals and a lot of other things, and I can see that he is not just all flowery words or anything, he seems to be very wise and caring as well. He's also not hung over on lobbyists like Hillary and others.
 
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Are they really black supremists over at that church?.

No. They are not. Trinity United Church of Christ is a destination church in Chicago for many other in the denomination and they have well known hosptality for all visitors and welcome many who are in Chicago visiting or doing mission trips regardless of their race.

You are seeing the result of a few people taking things the church does out of context without even attending or talking to anyone at the church.

http://www.ucc.org/news/thomas-denounces-smear-1.html

"Trinity UCC is rooted in and proud of its Afrocentric heritage," Thomas said. "This is no different than the hundreds of UCC churches from the German Evangelical and Reformed stream that continue to own and celebrate their German heritage, insisting on annual sausage and sauerkraut dinners and singing Stille Nacht on Christmas Eve. Recognizing and celebrating our distinctive racial-ethnic heritages, cultures, languages and customs are what make us unique as a united and uniting denomination."
While Trinity UCC is predominately African American, it does include and welcome non-Black members. The Rev. Jane Fisler-Hoffman, Illinois Conference Minister, who is white, has been a member of the congregation for years.
"Trinity is a destination church for many members of the UCC, a multi-racial, multi-cultural denomination that is largely Caucasian," Thomas pointed out. "When in Chicago, many UCC members flock to Trinity to share in and learn from its vibrant ministries, dynamic worship and justice-minded membership. Contrary to the claims made in these hateful emails, UCC members know Trinity to be one of the most welcoming, hospitable and generous congregations in our denomination."
 
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The attacks on Obama are fascinating...

He's caught up in a cult!

He's a communist!

All he talks about is race! (A subject he rarely mentions)

He has no experience!

He is a Muslim radical!

He's had gay sex!

He wants to abolish the Pledge of Allegiance!


I don't know who I'm going to vote for, but the attacks on Obama have become absurd and tiresome.
 
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