I've accidentally irrevocably renounced Christ verbally - what must I do? Please help

PARCmd · Feb 21, 2008

Hi.

Am I damned?

I didn't mean to do it. There were lots of people around me and you know when we are in crowded places, our thoughts get more, should I say, powerful.

I was walking when I am mumbling (or just forming the words with my mouth, I dunno), that "I irrevocably rennc C" I was about to say a not, when another thought (I dunno if it was me or the OCD - but if it was me, I'm sure it was a compulsion) came - so I canceled it. THen it just dawned on me that I have accidentally irrevocably renounced C. Am not sure if I immediately put a not word after it, as my mind was extremely cluttered.

(C = Christ)

Up until I came home, I was keeping on placing a "not" and saying that I take it back, but if it was said, you really cannot take it back, ayt?

I really don't want to renounce Christ and I won't even think of saying it again...

So the question is, am I still saved?

Must I re-accept or what? Or can I still be forgiven? I really do not want to renounce Christ (irrevocably or revcoably) but in either case, it was my fault, I should've not mumbled it....

Isn't it right that if you renounced Christ you won't be forgiven anymore? What more if you've irrevocably renounced Christ and said it vocally?

I even looked it up on the dictionary and it is either 1) forsake or 2) disown. What I did before is that I said that all of my thoughts about the word "renounce" would mean only "disown", and not "forsake". I guess this does only mean disown...

Jayangel81 · Feb 21, 2008

Hey brother, im sorry youre still struggling with this specific obsession.. But you need to come to realize that you CANT renounce God

It really is not possible because it is against your free will. Trust in God to know youre heart, God loves you and He is not gonna just give you up because of this illness.

And by canceling it out all youre doing is feeding youre OCD. i know its hard trust me ive been there..worrying over it is going to bring youre OCD into terrible spikes.

You need to know 4 things and implant it inside you

1. God loves you no matter what and NOTHING will get in the way of you two.

2. God knows youre heart (this is a biggie too)

3. Nothing you can say/think will ever cancel youre salvation if its against youre free will especially OCD.

4. We need to put all our trust into God. HE knows everything

Youre in my prayers :prayer:

take care

Bless you!

Mr.Cheese · Feb 21, 2008

PARCmd · Feb 21, 2008

I need to ask this> is Renouncing God even a verbal sin or an action sin???

gracealone · Feb 21, 2008

PARCmd said:
Hi.

Am I damned?

I didn't mean to do it. There were lots of people around me and you know when we are in crowded places, our thoughts get more, should I say, powerful.

I was walking when I am mumbling (or just forming the words with my mouth, I dunno), that "I irrevocably rennc C" I was about to say a not, when another thought (I dunno if it was me or the OCD - but if it was me, I'm sure it was a compulsion) came - so I canceled it. THen it just dawned on me that I have accidentally irrevocably renounced C. Am not sure if I immediately put a not word after it, as my mind was extremely cluttered.

(C = Christ)

Up until I came home, I was keeping on placing a "not" and saying that I take it back, but if it was said, you really cannot take it back, ayt?

I really don't want to renounce Christ and I won't even think of saying it again...

So the question is, am I still saved?

Must I re-accept or what? Or can I still be forgiven? I really do not want to renounce Christ (irrevocably or revcoably) but in either case, it was my fault, I should've not mumbled it....

Isn't it right that if you renounced Christ you won't be forgiven anymore? What more if you've irrevocably renounced Christ and said it vocally?

I even looked it up on the dictionary and it is either 1) forsake or 2) disown. What I did before is that I said that all of my thoughts about the word "renounce" would mean only "disown", and not "forsake". I guess this does only mean disown...

HI Parcmd,
It's obvious how intense your OCD is right now. Because of that the mental pain is also very intense.
Have you ever looked back at just how many times you've asked this same question just with different twists? Then have you ever looked back at how many times you have been given really good/solid answers and reassurances from so many folk on this forum? Then have you considered that none of these reassurances or answers that you have been given have ever solved or removed the question or the intensely horrific anxiety that accompanies it?
This is because it's not the questions that need answering it's the OCD that needs treatment. Treating OCD when it's very intense/severe is best done with professional assistance.
Please Parcmd, get in to see a Dr. who can refer you for therapy.
I am so burdened over you're suffering. None of this is your fault, buddy,you didn't choose to have OCD, but you can choose to seek treatment for it.
I am still holding you up in prayer, my dear brother in Christ.
Mitzi

kaykay637 · Feb 21, 2008

Like gracealone posted, continual reassurance is not the permanent answer, but one more time, you cannot ACCIDENTALLY renounce Christ. This is one very tormenting area where I think really believing good, solid theology can help.

However, as grace pointed out, it's really the OCD that's the issue because with OCD, even if you solve this dilemna, it can "morph" into some other obsession if not dealt with as such.

Praying for you-

I have posted this website but I'm gonna post it again. www.net-burst.net/guilty/scrupulosity.htm I think he has some good things to say there. Especially helpful, I think, is the section on people's personal testimonies. However, I DON'T advise looking at websites on the internet indiscriminately. It can be very dangerous. Anyone can post anything on the internet if you know what I mean.

Jayangel81 · Feb 21, 2008

Do you have a docter/on meds right now? Not sure if you ever said otherwise, if so they are right medical help is needed asap.

When dealing with this and blaspheming we need to trust God that He knows our hearts..

When this was a constant struggle God was showing me that i wasnt trusting Him, And im not saying you dont we all have these trials for different reasons. But the truth remains you need to reassure yourself and say.

" I dont care God knows my heart!" Shout it out if you want to let it really be known.

Im telling you this not to make you feel better but rather i love you and i want you to know the truth.

WHen things like this happen i still scream at the thoughts (i have trouble with exposure and response big time lol) But before i was able to begin with that i needed to put Trust in my God and savior.

I know OCD messes with us and we become completly irrational in our thinking. I wrote this paper when i was rational and wrote down how much God does love me and how much He really does for me, so when im irrational My own words speak the truth, maybe you can find a way to assure yourself when you get irrational.

But we all need to trust God, Nothing in this world can pluck us out of His hand, He promised us in His word!

Hang in there :hug:

brother in Christ

Skunk · Feb 21, 2008

PARCmd, I will pray for you brother. I know where you are at and I know what you are going through. I know you are worried that you sinned, but you didnt at all, not a verbal sin, not an action sin.

God knows your heart. Check out a book called "Brain Lock". It's really good for OCD and helped me a lot.
God bless you.

QUannie · Feb 21, 2008

Par md,
I prayed for you brother!

Q

Boxers1 · Feb 21, 2008

PARCmd:
You are not alone. Your OCD has latched onto something that is fearful to you such as renouncing Christ. My brain has played the same tricks on me....you are so afraid of it that you think it/say it and then you start "no, never, not," to try to "undo" it which everyone is right here that it only reinforces the fear, gives credit to an obsession which is completely invalid to begin with.

We all understand how difficult this is when OCD starts messing around with obsessions about our faith. Just remember, your OCD can and will go to what makes you scared the most b/c the obsessions are fear driven. Do your best to work with your doctor and learn the exposure therapy techniques. You need to learn how stop reacting physically to these intrusions. The obsessions you are experiencing are not unique to you and are not true. In time you will see that these obsessions are meaningless, but you have to practice not responding to it every single time and it takes a while for this therapy to take hold.

I am still working on devaluing my obsessions every day and trying my best to ignore. Sometimes the anxiety response seems heightened. Other days I feel more in control. OCD is such a cycle.

Boxers1

PARCmd said:
Hi.

Am I damned?

I didn't mean to do it. There were lots of people around me and you know when we are in crowded places, our thoughts get more, should I say, powerful.

I was walking when I am mumbling (or just forming the words with my mouth, I dunno), that "I irrevocably rennc C" I was about to say a not, when another thought (I dunno if it was me or the OCD - but if it was me, I'm sure it was a compulsion) came - so I canceled it. THen it just dawned on me that I have accidentally irrevocably renounced C. Am not sure if I immediately put a not word after it, as my mind was extremely cluttered.

(C = Christ)

Up until I came home, I was keeping on placing a "not" and saying that I take it back, but if it was said, you really cannot take it back, ayt?

I really don't want to renounce Christ and I won't even think of saying it again...

So the question is, am I still saved?

Must I re-accept or what? Or can I still be forgiven? I really do not want to renounce Christ (irrevocably or revcoably) but in either case, it was my fault, I should've not mumbled it....

Isn't it right that if you renounced Christ you won't be forgiven anymore? What more if you've irrevocably renounced Christ and said it vocally?

I even looked it up on the dictionary and it is either 1) forsake or 2) disown. What I did before is that I said that all of my thoughts about the word "renounce" would mean only "disown", and not "forsake". I guess this does only mean disown...

Chaplain David · Feb 21, 2008

Let not your heart be troubled. Jesus forgave you before you even did it. God will not punish us for having an illness that manifests like yours does. I pray that you are seeking help for your problems. God bless you.

PARCmd said:
Hi.

Am I damned?

I didn't mean to do it. There were lots of people around me and you know when we are in crowded places, our thoughts get more, should I say, powerful.

I was walking when I am mumbling (or just forming the words with my mouth, I dunno), that "I irrevocably rennc C" I was about to say a not, when another thought (I dunno if it was me or the OCD - but if it was me, I'm sure it was a compulsion) came - so I canceled it. THen it just dawned on me that I have accidentally irrevocably renounced C. Am not sure if I immediately put a not word after it, as my mind was extremely cluttered.

(C = Christ)

Up until I came home, I was keeping on placing a "not" and saying that I take it back, but if it was said, you really cannot take it back, ayt?

I really don't want to renounce Christ and I won't even think of saying it again...

So the question is, am I still saved?

Must I re-accept or what? Or can I still be forgiven? I really do not want to renounce Christ (irrevocably or revcoably) but in either case, it was my fault, I should've not mumbled it....

Isn't it right that if you renounced Christ you won't be forgiven anymore? What more if you've irrevocably renounced Christ and said it vocally?

I even looked it up on the dictionary and it is either 1) forsake or 2) disown. What I did before is that I said that all of my thoughts about the word "renounce" would mean only "disown", and not "forsake". I guess this does only mean disown...

jc9992 · Feb 21, 2008

I too struggle with the "cancelation" obsession.Saying "no" "not" "thats not true" hundreds of times a day is a habit that i am currently struggling with, but i am trying to stop.

PARCmd you can NOT accidentally renounce Christ,same as you canNOT accidentally blaspheme the Holy Spirit.All of these things are done intentionally.

Remember nothing can seperate you from Gods love(not even OCD) unless you seperate yourself.

babegirl111 · Feb 21, 2008

No sweetie, you are not damned. All of it is OCD! I seriously believe that GOD looks at our hearts more than are words or our thoughts. I too have a problem with mumbleing while I am thinking, but GOD knows if you said something intentionally against him or because you were mad, but you weren't/ It was OCD, and the fact is a lot of people think by mumbleing. It is ok. I have that problem with OCD, but I always pray to GOD and he always feels me with assurance that he has my soul and that it will be with HIM for eternity in Heaven when I leave this earth!! You know that the biggest fear you have is the one that always seems like it is happening to you. That is our OCD! GOD knows us better than we even know ourselves. Trus HIM! Hugs and prayers to you!!

PARCmd · Feb 24, 2008

But if it was my Mental Compulsion? I think it was my Mental Compulsion to dleiberately think about those things and to cancel it, then when I mumbled it, something happened - another compulsion that I thought deliberately. So, I automatically canceled it, unwittingly, that I forgot to cancel the initial one....

Yeah, I guess it was a Mental Compulsion...

kaykay637 · Feb 24, 2008

PARCmd said:
But if it was my Mental Compulsion? I think it was my Mental Compulsion to dleiberately think about those things and to cancel it, then when I mumbled it, something happened - another compulsion that I thought deliberately. So, I automatically canceled it, unwittingly, that I forgot to cancel the initial one....

Yeah, I guess it was a Mental Compulsion...

Please look at the website I posted earlier if you are still struggling with this, if you haven't. www.net-burst.net/guilty/scrupulosity.htm. I think it would help. Pleast try to understand that all your thoughts and analyzing where they are coming from are all part of the OCD experience.

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