daycare worker molests 4 year old girl

Jacey said:

Ok that's what I have issue with. I am a libertarian in many aspects, I have no problem with what you believe.........my issue comes with forcing that belief into the public square, trying to convert others who don't want to be bothered, making laws (no beer on Sunday!) that are nonsensical.........glad we worked that out (that was one megalong sentence)

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christian libertarian... not evangelical republican. big difference (at least IMO)
** and I like to drink beer on the weekend too (that is stupid that you can't get it - I even live in a dry county, which is even more dumb)

LonesomeTexan said:

I have no tolerance for those who prey on the most innocent. I hope this guy is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,330544,00.html

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I just don't understand what goes on in some people's minds. A 4-year-old?

Truly, the enemy is active in this world.

ElsanRandiMom said:

christian libertarian... not evangelical republican. big difference (at least IMO)
** and I like to drink beer on the weekend too (that is stupid that you can't get it - I even live in a dry county, which is even more dumb)

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That is a good thing. I get along well with the more liberal xians who are chilled out.

I don't even drink anymore........

Steezie said:

But to say that ALL 18 year old boys who watch children should be treated with suspicion I think is ridiculous and very sexist.

If they act suspicious or have a record, then yeah, you watch them. If they've done nothing wrong, theres no reason to watch them. This idea is like saying "Well men are more likely to be rapists, so we shouldn't trust them around female co-workers." If you feel that young men around children should be watched, why do you NOT apply that logic to older males which are, statistically, much more likely to be rapists than younger men?

Men 21-40 are many times more likely to be rapists than younger men. So why do you want to watch YOUNGER men when, statistically, they are FAR less likely to do anything? Do you see why I say this is sexist?

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Nope, if you read what I wrote there was a little more to it than "all 18 year old boys should be watched". Ideally, everyone should be watched if they are in charge of your kids. But as a parent I will look twice at a boy knowing it's unusual for them to be in that field and that statistically they offend more often than girls. And I'm not basing my feelings on fact sheets or 21-40 demographics but my own common sense and need to protect my kids. In fact, I watched the neighbor boys more closely when my daughter was young and they played with her, and they were only 11-12. I'm not concerned with anyone calling me sexist, I openly admit it and don't really care. I'm also not calling for laws or any such thing to single out young males, I'm just speaking as a parent and someone with common sense. If someone didn't take this stuff into consideration they aren't really thinking.

it doesn't matter to me what their age is-it is a male thing...

flicka said:

Nope, if you read what I wrote there was a little more to it than "all 18 year old boys should be watched". Ideally, everyone should be watched if they are in charge of your kids. But as a parent I will look twice at a boy knowing it's unusual for them to be in that field and that statistically they offend more often than girls. And I'm not basing my feelings on fact sheets or 21-40 demographics but my own common sense and need to protect my kids. In fact, I watched the neighbor boys more closely when my daughter was young and they played with her, and they were only 11-12. I'm not concerned with anyone calling me sexist, I openly admit it and don't really care. I'm also not calling for laws or any such thing to single out young males, I'm just speaking as a parent and someone with common sense. If someone didn't take this stuff into consideration they aren't really thinking.

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Then I think its really sad that you have to treat a man like a potential sex offender when he hasn't done anything wrong except take an interest in looking after children. I understand having concern for your children and I understand that it may make you nervous to have a male around your children but its what you do with that feeling that dictates what kind of person you are in that regard. And if you're willing to treat a man who has done nothing wrong like a sex offender then I think you are setting a bad example for your children and punishing someone for the simple act of wanting to take care of children.

I just REALLY wish I could switch bodies with you for a day and have you work with children to see what people will do when they see A MAN taking care of children. A man who doesn't have a record, makes conscious and active efforts to avoid even the appearance of any impropriety, who really truly does like his job, and who does his best to make sure the kids are out of trouble.

I do understand the desire to protect someone you love, but that you'd go to the extreme of treating someone who hasn't done anything wrong like they have...I feel really sorry for that attitude.

the idea that all men, because they are men, are perverts and shouldn't work with children is just as

PREJUDICED

as those who say women should be barefoot and pregnant without lives, jobs or education

wow... what is this place coming to?

This topic sorta hits home for me as well.

My daughter attended a daycare. I know that there are a lot of preconceived notions around here about daycares, but I'm convinced that it must be a U.S. thing because there are a lot of regulations and security protocols put into place up here in order for a daycare to remain operating.

ECE certificates are required by the workers for the daycares that are run on a municipal or regional level.

Anyway, the daycare that my daughter attended had a male working there. At first, I was a bit taken aback. Mostly because it was something that I hadn't come across before. He looked to be about early to mid-20s. Now, although he worked there, he wasn't MY daughter's instructor/caregiver (there were about 10-15 other 'female' workers there). But going to the centre to drop her off and pick her up, I got to know him and I was okay with him as an individual.

He eventually left, and the centre replaced him with another male ECE grad. Again, great guy.

At my church, they have sunday schools and daycares during service. The one my daughter attends has males who volunteer in the rooms. Not by themselves, but with their wives or with other female staff. My wife has been waiting for MONTHS to get approval to participate as a volunteer because the background checks and the police criminal record requirements are so stringent, that it makes the process long and almost regrettable.

As for myself, I'm a clown at heart and can't help but to find some way to entertain kids whenever they're around. When I go to my daugther's school to pick her up from class, her classmates start lining up because they know that they're about to see a corny magic trick and I love being able to entertain them in that manner.

But rips my heart out, however, is the thought that some of the moms or female teachers might be quietly looking at me and thinking, "Hmmph... look at him... why is he around those kids? I bet he wants to molest them or something. I mean, he IS male so why wouldn't he want to?"

I understand the high level of occurence when it comes to males committing these atrocities, and I accept that. It's just sad that those guys leave other well-meaning guys with feelings of insecurities and self-doubt knowing that others are looking at them and assuming the worse.

LonesomeTexan said:

I hate to say it, but lets just be honest with ourselves here folks. Stereotypes and prejudices exist for a reason.

Lets say you see a white trash looking guy with a woman that has a black eye walking outside a trailer park. You assume he's probably a wife beater.

You see a black guy in the ghetto running with a PS3 in his hands. You assume he probably stole it.

You see a group of mexican guys standing on a street corner. You assume they are here illegally and looking for day labor.

The same goes for an 18 year old male working in the child care field. While you may not think he is a child molester, you certainly would feel right about leaving your child alone in his care.

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I agree that stereotypes exist for a reason.

I just think that it's sad that they exist, and that non-offenders have to take on the glares from others due to these stereotypes.

LonesomeTexan said:

well, if it's any consolation, stereotypes don't exist in heaven.

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Yes they do.

LonesomeTexan said:

I hate to say it, but lets just be honest with ourselves here folks. Stereotypes and prejudices exist for a reason.

Lets say you see a white trash looking guy with a woman that has a black eye walking outside a trailer park. You assume he's probably a wife beater.

You see a black guy in the ghetto running with a PS3 in his hands. You assume he probably stole it.

You see a group of mexican guys standing on a street corner. You assume they are here illegally and looking for day labor.

The same goes for an 18 year old male working in the child care field. While you may not think he is a child molester, you certainly would feel right about leaving your child alone in his care.

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Lets say you see a 19-year-old from Texas. You assume he's got an IQ of 80, works at the feed store and watches inappropriate content all day.

No downfalls to stereotyping that I can see

LonesomeTexan said:

I hate to say it, but lets just be honest with ourselves here folks. Stereotypes and prejudices exist for a reason.

Lets say you see a white trash looking guy with a woman that has a black eye walking outside a trailer park. You assume he's probably a wife beater.

You see a black guy in the ghetto running with a PS3 in his hands. You assume he probably stole it.

You see a group of mexican guys standing on a street corner. You assume they are here illegally and looking for day labor.

The same goes for an 18 year old male working in the child care field. While you may not think he is a child molester, you certainly would feel right about leaving your child alone in his care.

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No one is saying "DONT THINK THAT WAY! ITS WRONG!" All we're saying is dont ACT on that thought.

If theres an 18 year old guy working at a daycare looking at the kids like they would look at a candy store then yeah by all means get your kid out of there and get him fired if you can. But if theres an 18 year old guy there who's doing his job, taking good care of the kids, and not doing anything to arouse suspicion, then dont treat him with suspicion until he gives you a reason.

Jacey said:

See?

Well I'll just hang out in hell with Gandhi, maybe ask Ted Williams how to hit a fast ball.

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Everyone always brings up Gandhi....

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” -Ephesians 2:8,9

BlackAndy said:

Everyone always brings up Gandhi....

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If you have to be christian to get to heaven, then he wouldn't get in

All depends on intrepretation I suppose

Jacey said:

If you have to be christian to get to heaven, then he wouldn't get in

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Andy's quote seemed to suggest that Ghandi would not go to heaven, as his 'good works' wouldn't have counted. According to that quote, faith is what gets you in.

Steezie said:

Please dont, I beg of you ANYTHING but daycare. I worked at one and it convinced me NEVER EVER EVER EVER to send my kids there.

Yeah, because THATS not sexist at all.

This kind of stuff really burns my toast, ya know? I was 18 and working at a daycare and I managed to control myself just dandy. I was even single at that time, so DONT be pointing fingers at people who've done NOTHING wrong because ONE person decided to screw up. The vast majority of young men working with children manage to control their hormonal little selves.

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I admitted where my suspiscions would lie. That is not the same thing as assuming that all teenage males would be untrustworthy in a daycare. My real point which you seem to have missed was that they should have a system in place for all, that would protwct our children. My example being that of bank employees who go through background checks, etc. Even the C.E.O. doesn't go into the vault alone. I am saying that our kids are more precious than all the money in a vault. Why isn't there a system in place that says no children should be alone with any one adult? My point was that no one should be treated as abouve suspiscion rather than pointing some up, although background checks should be done. I would rather be accused of being too scrutinizing, and nonp.c. than being careless and injuring a child.

Hmm... 18 yr. old male working with kids...

Hey, that's what I did over the summer!

Actually, I worked with the church, so not a full time daycare, and I also did financial work and manual labor, but I was a chaperon to kids. I don't think there was a single suspicions about me since I grew up in that church. Everyone knew me since I was a few months old, so there was probably no need for suspicions. But the way I see it, an 18 yr. old doing it is a kid who is looking for a job while they work to pay their way though college (or at least get some spending money). It is the older males, 26+ that a stereotype should exist, if one is too exist.

Romanseight2005 said:

I admitted where my suspiscions would lie. That is not the same thing as assuming that all teenage males would be untrustworthy in a daycare. My real point which you seem to have missed was that they should have a system in place for all, that would protwct our children. My example being that of bank employees who go through background checks, etc. Even the C.E.O. doesn't go into the vault alone. I am saying that our kids are more precious than all the money in a vault. Why isn't there a system in place that says no children should be alone with any one adult? My point was that no one should be treated as abouve suspiscion rather than pointing some up, although background checks should be done. I would rather be accused of being too scrutinizing, and nonp.c. than being careless and injuring a child.

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Actually, the majority of molestations are done by a parental figure (does not have to be a biological one). So should the system extend to parents? Not that I disagree with a system, just wondering to what extent you think it should be in place to protect the children.