daycare worker molests 4 year old girl

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...always love it when atheists and other God-deniers preach to me about how a Christian should behave...
Well.....**Snicker**

I HATE guys like this because they RUIN it for the rest of us. I worked at a daycare center and half the reason I left was because parents were treating me like I was a child molester in-waiting. Its extremely aggravating because I did my job, I took good care of the kids, I kept them out of trouble and I was STILL treated like a skell simply because I was a guy.

I really liked that job too, it made me sad to quit. But getting treated like a sex offender when you haven't even DONE anything gets to you after a while.
 
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Why, if you don't believe in God, do you care if anyone says you are going to hell? (not that telling people they are going to hell is a great way to promote christianity or anything)
For me "moral" is a social term, not a christian one... it's dictated by action not by belief. I don't know that being athiest is a reason to call someone immoral. And, as for evil, that's a judgement call, and I'm not one to say whether someone is evil or good... their actions, yes, them personally, no.

Oh please. That's not what worries me, I hate when people try to legislate their religion and force their morals, laws and lifestyles upon me.

Atheists are called immoral on this message board every day.
 
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3. Atheism is evil, amoral, and will certainly damn you to Hell. A little poetic justice is none of the above. I certainly don't think he deserves any special treatment or any special arrangements made because of his crime - do you?

See?

Well I'll just hang out in hell with Gandhi, maybe ask Ted Williams how to hit a fast ball.
 
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Let's see. On topic, while this sucks and is a horrible and traumatic experience for a kid, why is this considered news? A day care worker molests a 4-year-old. Don't we have a plethora of broader-reaching issues to worry about?

Now, to address an interesting tangent:
3. Atheism is evil, amoral, and will certainly damn you to Hell.
Atheism is simultaneously morally objectionable (evil) and [SIZE=-1]lacking any moral characteristics[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] (amoral)?

That's pretty crazy. [/SIZE]
 
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It's probably sexist or non-pc of me to say this but I would always question an 18 year old male daycare worker. Not that they aren't capable or trustworthy (my own 17 yr old is great with kids but doesn't like them enough to make a job out of it) I just feel it's an uncommon thing and would probably want to be extra cautious when entrusting my toddlers to his care.

agree with this...
 
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agree with this...
Just wondering - I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything.

I've always wanted to be a stay-at-home dad, and my career is flexible enough that this might be possible in the future.

Would you think suspiciously of me if I introduced myself as one? If not, what's the inherent difference between a stay-at-home dad and a man who take care of children in a day-care center?
 
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Just wondering - I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything.

I've always wanted to be a stay-at-home dad, and my career is flexible enough that this might be possible in the future.

Would you think suspiciously of me if I introduced myself as one? If not, what's the inherent difference between a stay-at-home dad and a man who take care of children in a day-care center?
That's something you will have to work out with the mother of your children. If you do become a stay at home dad there would be no problem introducing yourself as such but since you also mention you have a job of some kind I wonder why you wouldn't want to mention that too.

The difference is your child vs other peoples children. When it's your child there is nobody to question your motives (besides nosey busybodies), in a childcare situation that childs parents are going to think about who is wathcing their kid, their background, experience, education, etc. Whatever is important to them. I can't tell from the OP but it doesn't appear this guy had much going for him as far as that goes.
 
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Just wondering - I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything.

I've always wanted to be a stay-at-home dad, and my career is flexible enough that this might be possible in the future.

Would you think suspiciously of me if I introduced myself as one? If not, what's the inherent difference between a stay-at-home dad and a man who take care of children in a day-care center?

actually, my DH was a stay at home dad (in his previous marraige).

this is different. taking care of your own children is different then going out of your way to care and nurture stranger's children.

even in a church setting, it would be very uncommon for a male (unless he is serving with his wife) to work in the child care area during service. it would definately raise a red flag in my mind.
 
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I don't think Flicka said that an 18 year old male couldn't work in a daycare, or even shouldn't. Rather that he would be scrutinized very closely. I would have to hear directly from God on the matter if I were hiring. Also the age is of utmost importance here. 18 is an age where males by and large have a sex drive that can drive them crazy. Hence American Pie. I may not have quite as much suspicion with an older male, and I also think there should be a rule about not being alone with one person kind of thing. When I worked at a bank, it always took two people to go to the vault, and there were lots of cameras and security. This was true for the most trusted people in the bank. It's so sad that money is protected better than our sweet innocent ones.
 
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Despicable. It definitely makes me reconsider sending my future children to daycare.. :(
Please dont, I beg of you ANYTHING but daycare. I worked at one and it convinced me NEVER EVER EVER EVER to send my kids there.

I don't think Flicka said that an 18 year old male couldn't work in a daycare, or even shouldn't. Rather that he would be scrutinized very closely. I would have to hear directly from God on the matter if I were hiring. Also the age is of utmost importance here. 18 is an age where males by and large have a sex drive that can drive them crazy. Hence American Pie. I may not have quite as much suspicion with an older male, and I also think there should be a rule about not being alone with one person kind of thing.
Yeah, because THATS not sexist at all.

This kind of stuff really burns my toast, ya know? I was 18 and working at a daycare and I managed to control myself just dandy. I was even single at that time, so DONT be pointing fingers at people who've done NOTHING wrong because ONE person decided to screw up. The vast majority of young men working with children manage to control their hormonal little selves.
 
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Please dont, I beg of you ANYTHING but daycare. I worked at one and it convinced me NEVER EVER EVER EVER to send my kids there.

Yeah, because THATS not sexist at all.

This kind of stuff really burns my toast, ya know? I was 18 and working at a daycare and I managed to control myself just dandy. I was even single at that time, so DONT be pointing fingers at people who've done NOTHING wrong because ONE person decided to screw up. The vast majority of young men working with children manage to control their hormonal little selves.
It is a little sexist and I said so from the beginning. But that's just too bad. When it comes to their kids people have a right to be a little paranoid.

If it were an 18 year old boy who had an interest in teaching or early childhood development and was pursuing an education in those areas I would think differently about them than someone just taking the job because it was available. And it would be a mistake to not acknowledge that some people put themselves in positions to be around children for nefarious reasons. And while it can be true of an 18 year old girl as well it's less common for a boy to enter the child care field . All that adds up to proceeding with caution. You don't have to like it, but you can and should expect it.
 
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It is a little sexist and I said so from the beginning. But that's just too bad. When it comes to their kids people have a right to be a little paranoid.

If it were an 18 year old boy who had an interest in teaching or early childhood development and was pursuing an education in those areas I would think differently about them than someone just taking the job because it was available. And it would be a mistake to not acknowledge that some people put themselves in positions to be around children for nefarious reasons. And while it can be true of an 18 year old girl as well it's less common for a boy to enter the child care field . All that adds up to proceeding with caution. You don't have to like it, but you can and should expect it.
But to say that ALL 18 year old boys who watch children should be treated with suspicion I think is ridiculous and very sexist.

If they act suspicious or have a record, then yeah, you watch them. If they've done nothing wrong, theres no reason to watch them. This idea is like saying "Well men are more likely to be rapists, so we shouldn't trust them around female co-workers." If you feel that young men around children should be watched, why do you NOT apply that logic to older males which are, statistically, much more likely to be rapists than younger men?

Men 21-40 are many times more likely to be rapists than younger men. So why do you want to watch YOUNGER men when, statistically, they are FAR less likely to do anything? Do you see why I say this is sexist?
 
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Oh please. That's not what worries me, I hate when people try to legislate their religion and force their morals, laws and lifestyles upon me.

Atheists are called immoral on this message board every day.
I agree. Legislation of morals based on religious conviction is totally out of line. No one is justified in saying "this is wrong because _______(insert deity) says so and now YOU have to follow this rule too".
 
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I agree. Legislation of morals based on religious conviction is totally out of line. No one is justified in saying "this is wrong because _______(insert deity) says so and now YOU have to follow this rule too".

Ok that's what I have issue with. I am a libertarian in many aspects, I have no problem with what you believe.........my issue comes with forcing that belief into the public square, trying to convert others who don't want to be bothered, making laws (no beer on Sunday!) that are nonsensical.........glad we worked that out (that was one megalong sentence)
 
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