Fieldsofwind,
You are saying that Christ is God the Father who BECAME Christ and Christ BECAME subservient to HIMSELF being the Father, right? Thus, when Christ lifted his eyes to heaven and SAID, "Father, the hour has come..." (John 17:1), he was ACTUALLY praying to himself, he being the Father, right? And he was also crying out to himself on the cross when he said, "my God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Your belief is FALSE fow. Christ CAME as a HUMAN being and anyone that says he CAME as God the Father who BECAME a MAN has the spirit of the ENEMY of Christ (1 John 4:1-3).
Look at Hebrews 9:14 fow. It says, "Christ offered HIMSELF unblemished TO God. If Christ were God, there would be TWO Gods which is NOT what the Bible teaches.
Did you read Acts 2:36? Doesn't it say that God MADE Jesus both "LORD and Christ?" How can God and Jesus be the SAME? Did God GIVE His glory to Jesus? The verse does NOT say that fow. Did God GIVE His praise to idols? The verse does NOT say that either fow. And Jesus is NOT an idol becuse he is NOT a FALSE God!<B
John 14:5-10 does NOT tell us that Jesus is God the Father. It is NOT my "dimensional thinking" (whatever that means???) that limits the Father. Jesus SAID that everything he SAID is a COMMAND from God the Father. Thus, when Jesus SAID that <B>the Father</B> ALONE is the <B>ONLY</B> true God, God <B>LIMITED</B> Himself to being God ALONE and NOT additionally MAN.
As I said, Acts 2:36 does NOT say that God GAVE His glory to Jesus. It does NOT say either that God GAVE His praise to idols because Jesus is NOT a FALSE God.
Explain this clearly please. You say that Christ is God the Father who TOOK the nature of a MAN. You say He (God) MADE himself a MAN. You also say that Christ is the Father to whom "the one who came FROM the Father" prayed to. Who is the one who came FROM the Father?
The "HE" refers to the MAN that the WORD of God turned into. The WORD has NO gender fow, just to let you know.
Rev. 19:13 refers to Jesus. Jesus is the MAN that the WORD turned into (the WORD became Jesus, remember?). Thus, Jesus BECAME the WORD of God AFTER he was born. This is NOT what I am asking for.
I want a verse that point to Jesus as the WORD of God BEFORE he ws born.
Of course, apostle Paul is talking of TWO separate and distinct beings: God the Father and Jesus Christ, the SON (Matt. 3:17; Matt. 17:5). Apostle John wrote that anyone who blieves that Jesus is the SON has life (John 20:31).
Posted by edpobre: Sure, God and Jesus are BOTH Alpha and Omega. They BOTH said "I am the Alpha and the Omega." But that does NOT make them ONE God. Alpha and Omega does NOT mean the same to God as it means to Jesus.
Really
according to whom ed? Are you now speaking for Christ
saying what He is and is not? I simply believe what He says. I believe what He says to me through His Spirit. And I believe what He says in His word. I do not try to twist things around as you do.
I hate to call anyone a LIAR fow but you are! You say you believe what he says. Jesus says he is a MAN (John 8:40) and the FATHER is the ONLY true God (John 17:3), yet you INSIST that he is God the Father.
You say you do NOT twist things around and you accuse me of doing that. But anyone can see that everything you have posted so far are TWISTED interpretation of Isaiah 48:2.
This is a classic example of a TWISTED interpretation of a verse. It was apostle Paul who was describing the HUMILITY of Jesus (Phil. 2:5-10). Now you say it is Christ saying "he made himself nothing."
So it was God the Father who BECAME flesh and BECAME subservient to HIMSELF? How absurd!!
Is this the only verse you know? As I said earlier, there is NO verse which says that God GAVE His glory to Jesus. Everything God DID was for HIS glory (pHIL. 2:11) elieve God fow. God COMMANDS people to LISTEN to His SON, Jesus. Jesus was NOT God the Father who BECAME a MAN! Get out of the DARK fow.
Ed