Common descent falsified in 6 words

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Before I give you the six words, just to make sure we're on the same page. The process of evolution can be condensed into a simple definition, which is provided here by Talk Origins:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html

The process of evolution can be summarized in three sentences: Genes mutate. [gene: a hereditary unit] Individuals are selected. Populations evolve.

So the 6 words that falsify common descent are as follows:

Mutations don't add new, selectable structures.

The ugly reality for evolutionists is bacteria-like creatures have got to somehow get out of the primordial soup by way of mutations, which serve as the raw material for selection, which theoretically could build up legs and arms and toes and organs and muscles and beaks and gills and teeth (or parts of these) ------ but there is no scientific evidence to show that this is even possible. Mutations cannot add whole new parts and they cannot generate new selectable novelty to add onto existing parts.


And by the way....please, I don't want to see any darwinist misconstrue the word, "structures" as changes in molecules or within cells. What I mean by "structures" are traits that are morphological in nature -- eyes, ears, beaks, paws, toes, feathers, noses, arms, gallbladders, muscles, etc..... There is certainly a differece between "structures" that are chemical and/or involve changes in molecules and "structures" which make a visual distinction/definition between organisms. The claim in this OP is that mutations cannot generate selectable "structures," as in the types of physical, outward, external, phenotypic structures that distinguish one animal from another and/or could give evidence of common descent.
 

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It's a simple question of adaptability. Mutations would have occurred that didn't work. the ones that did work, continued. Then add into this the fact that every mutation was occurring under a different set of circumstances (temperatures, enviroment etc) and you have some very basic understanding of how species develop.

It's like trying to unlock a briefcase. Given enough time, you could find a 3 number combination to open it, but you're going to get through a lot of codes that don't work in the meantime.

And as for there not being any scientific evidence... Go look up that picture of the mouse growing an extra ear out of it's back and tell me mutations aren't possible.
 
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well you guys are going to have to present me a link -- you know, science -- as opposed just making stuff up out of thin air, because quite honestly, I don't believe you.

Feeling's more than mutual. Where did you make up your six words?
 
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It's a simple question of adaptability. Mutations would have occurred that didn't work. the ones that did work, continued. Then add into this the fact that every mutation was occurring under a different set of circumstances (temperatures, enviroment etc) and you have some very basic understanding of how species develop.

It's like trying to unlock a briefcase. Given enough time, you could find a 3 number combination to open it, but you're going to get through a lot of codes that don't work in the meantime.

And as for there not being any scientific evidence... Go look up that picture of the mouse growing an extra ear out of it's back and tell me mutations aren't possible.
What circumstance caused an asexual organism to become a sexual organism?

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What circumstance caused an asexual organism to become a sexual organism?

FoeHammer.

I don't know, because I'm not a biologist.

I would venture it has something to do with the fact that the more complex an organism becomes, the more susceptible it is to it's environment. If it's environment wasn't able to sustain asexual reproduction, then all the asexual reproductive organisms would die out, leaving only mutations capable of survival.

But I don't know that for sure. That's me purely taking a guess, so don't go to great lengths to debunk me, because I'm telling you straight up I don't the answer. Go ask someone who specialises in that field. I work in television.
 
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What circumstance caused an asexual organism to become a sexual organism?
Still refuse to learn even the most basic elements of the theory in which you disbelieve so thoroughly?

The misconception of an individual organism turning into something else can be corrected by a 6th grade science course. Couldn't you at least do everyone the courtesy of learning that much?
 
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well you guys are going to have to present me a link -- you know, science -- as opposed just making stuff up out of thin air, because quite honestly, I don't believe you.

Here is one link.

http://www.worldhealth.net/p/267,731.html

There is a bit of a problem as a fruit fly with a new useless 'something' is hardly news. Neitehr are new lethals. Only when yuo get something like this is it reported. There are several about a 'blue cheese' gene, but that is a harmful mutation which usually gets dismissed in this kind of discussion.

NOTE: Darwinian evolution said from the beginning that most (actually the vast majority over 99%) mutations are harmful or at best neutral. Favorable mutations are rare, evolution is SLOOOOWWW. In fact as a word the meaning derived from "slow", not from "better"
 
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The ugly reality for evolutionists is bacteria-like creatures have got to somehow get out of the primordial soup by way of mutations, which serve as the raw material for selection, which theoretically could build up legs and arms and toes and organs and muscles and beaks and gills and teeth (or parts of these) ------ but there is no scientific evidence to show that this is even possible. Mutations cannot add whole new parts and they cannot generate new selectable novelty to add onto existing parts.

I would have thought a genetically engineered mouse with an extra ear on it's back is fairly conclusive proof that mutations CAN add whole new parts.
 
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I would have thought a genetically engineered mouse with an extra ear on it's back is fairly conclusive proof that mutations CAN add whole new parts.
where's the mutation?...either observed or induced.....this ear was brought about by a human mind, for gosh sakes....which, not to mention, would never be selected n the wild.
 
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So why do you accept evolution?

FoeHammer.

You're misquoting me. I simply don't know the answer to that one particular question you asked. I wasn't stating I don't know how evolution works, because I do, which is why I believe in it.
 
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Still refuse to learn even the most basic elements of the theory in which you disbelieve so thoroughly?

The misconception of an individual organism turning into something else can be corrected by a 6th grade science course. Couldn't you at least do everyone the courtesy of learning that much?
Was the first life-form asexual or sexual?

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Here is one link.

http://www.worldhealth.net/p/267,731.html

There is a bit of a problem as a fruit fly with a new useless 'something' is hardly news. Neitehr are new lethals. Only when yuo get something like this is it reported. There are several about a 'blue cheese' gene, but that is a harmful mutation which usually gets dismissed in this kind of discussion.

NOTE: Darwinian evolution said from the beginning that most (actually the vast majority over 99%) mutations are harmful or at best neutral. Favorable mutations are rare, evolution is SLOOOOWWW. In fact as a word the meaning derived from "slow", not from "better"
did you even read my challenge? "double lifespan" is not at all a structure.
 
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Before I give you the six words, just to make sure we're on the same page. The process of evolution can be condensed into a simple definition, which is provided here by Talk Origins:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html

The process of evolution can be summarized in three sentences: Genes mutate. [gene: a hereditary unit] Individuals are selected. Populations evolve.

So the 6 words that falsify common descent are as follows:

Mutations don't add new, selectable structures.

The ugly reality for evolutionists is bacteria-like creatures have got to somehow get out of the primordial soup by way of mutations, which serve as the raw material for selection, which theoretically could build up legs and arms and toes and organs and muscles and beaks and gills and teeth (or parts of these) ------ but there is no scientific evidence to show that this is even possible. Mutations cannot add whole new parts and they cannot generate new selectable novelty to add onto existing parts.


And by the way....please, I don't want to see any darwinist misconstrue the word, "structures" as changes in molecules or within cells. What I mean by "structures" are traits that are morphological in nature -- eyes, ears, beaks, paws, toes, feathers, noses, arms, gallbladders, muscles, etc..... There is certainly a differece between "structures" that are chemical and/or involve changes in molecules and "structures" which make a visual distinction/definition between organisms. The claim in this OP is that mutations cannot generate selectable "structures," as in the types of physical, outward, external, phenotypic structures that distinguish one animal from another and/or could give evidence of common descent.

Read THIS. And THIS.

Then think about why your claim is wrong.
 
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