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Let's do that:

The spinal column of the human body is the wrong shape for a bipedal upright walking animal. The 'S' shape is the worst possible shape for carrying vertical loads. Our spines are best suited to tree dwellers.

Our Jaw has too many teeth; all cramed in a small area resulting in increased tooth decay.

Now what engineer would DARE come up with design flaws such as the above without risking having his license revoked? Oh! It wasn't an engineer; GOD DIDIT!:doh:


Your negative observation of the teeth is only a result of the fall of man. There are some people who have perfectly shaped teeth and not much problem wiht cavities either. I see no need for us to be carrying heavy vertical loads, anyway, that's why God gave us the brain and the reasoning we have. These so called flaws are only in the minds of those who want to discredit the Creator.
 
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Your negative observation of the teeth is only a result of the fall of man.There are some people who have perfectly shaped teeth and not much problem wiht cavities either. I see no need for us to be carrying heavy vertical loads, anyway, that's why God gave us the brain and the reasoning we have. These so called flaws are only in the minds of those who want to discredit the Creator.
Your spine has to support the weight of your upper body regardless of what else you might be carrying.
 
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I see no need for us to be carrying heavy vertical loads, anyway, that's why God gave us the brain and the reasoning we have.

..? Mr. GoodBytes comments on carrying the body's own mass aside, how is furniture moved in your world?
 
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Your negative observation of the teeth is only a result of the fall of man.

What fall? Evidence please.

There are some people who have perfectly shaped teeth and not much problem wiht cavities either.

It could be argued that sugars and refined flours are to blame for most of our woes. Nevertheless, if our teeth are designed there are better teeth out there that we could have got. Sharks seem to have the best of it. They continually replace teeth throughout their lifetime.

I see no need for us to be carrying heavy vertical loads, anyway, that's why God gave us the brain and the reasoning we have.

Machines are a rather recent invention, as are domesticated pack animals. Anyone who has packed out a deer from the backwoods can relate to the lifestyle of our hunter/gatherer ancestors.

These so called flaws are only in the minds of those who want to discredit the Creator.

They are the flaws expected of a system that produces designs that are just good enough, a system such as evolution. I no more blame a Creator for our condition than I blame Santa Claus for bad Christmas gifts.
 
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It could be argued that sugars and refined flours are to blame for most of our woes. Nevertheless, if our teeth are designed there are better teeth out there that we could have got. Sharks seem to have the best of it. They continually replace teeth throughout their lifetime.

There are definitely different reasons for different designs which while you are not considering them God did. For one I would never want to kiss a man with Shark teeth AND if we are going to get shark teeth then we need the adjust rest of our body to be like the shark but then, ...we would be sharks not humans. No, that doesn't make for a good arguement. A shark is a shark and a human is a human and both are designed just the way they should be.
 
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What claims would these be?


Are you just being deliberately obtuse, or do you want to go through every line of the Nicene Creed one by one?

Ditto.

FoeHammer.

Wrong- I have evidence. Unlike you, I evalutate the claims of all religions on exactly the same footing. I evaluate scientific claims the same way.

Can you say the same (honestly)?
 
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There are definitely different reasons for different designs which while you are not considering them God did. For one I would never want to kiss a man with Shark teeth AND if we are going to get shark teeth then we need the adjust rest of our body to be like the shark but then, ...we would be sharks not humans. No, that doesn't make for a good arguement. A shark is a shark and a human is a human and both are designed just the way they should be.
LM's argument wasn't about shark teeth being razor sharp (BTW, not all of them are, see the back teeth of these guys), it was about shark teeth being replaced all the time ;)

I'd be so glad if I never had to visit the dreaded dentist. Just pluck out the bad tooth and grow a new one in no time.
 
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LM's argument wasn't about shark teeth being razor sharp (BTW, not all of them are, see the back teeth of these guys), it was about shark teeth being replaced all the time ;)

I was hoping for that mutation... Alas, I stopped making extra teeth after my third set came in.
 
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Your basis for this claim is that it is 'nothing of the sort' simply because they cannot deliver the original evidence to your armchair.
Within this forum why can't "they... deliver the original evidence"? Because they cannot even if they had any that's why. Which is what I have been saying. All they have are links to ..... Surely you must know the rest by now?
Again, your laziness is no criteria by which to judge whether evidence is valid, or not...
Are you being deliberately obtuse?
If you need to interpret the evidence in person, it is upon you to do so, its not upon others to deliver it to you.
How much and what "evidence" for (molecules to man) evolution have you interpreted, in person, that compels you to accept it? You're not going to tell me that you accept it simply because you read it somewhere are you?

FoeHammer.
 
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How much and what "evidence" for (molecules to man) evolution have you interpreted, in person, that compels you to accept it? You're not going to tell me that you accept it simply because you read it somewhere are you?

Ever seen a plant grow?
 
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Please find me a single example of bias in talk origins. I'm willing to believe there is, becuase it's a repository for information, rather than a primary source. But will at least give us something to start with, rather than you jsut going "uhuh! Biased!"
Take a look at their FAQs.
If you don't see the bias then I can't help you.

FoeHammer.
 
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I have an allotment and grow fruit and vegetables.
So yes.
And
So what?

FoeHammer.

So how do they go from being seeds to plants? Some gradual changing is involved, yes?

Molecules to man. Same thing, but we're talking a longer period of time.

Evolution is just growth on a much larger scale.
 
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Take a look at their FAQs.
If you don't see the bias then I can't help you.

FoeHammer.
The Archive exists expressly to provide mainstream scientific responses to the many issues that appear in the talk.origins newsgroup.

You mean this part?
 
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