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Your right, there is some degree of personal interpretation. But should we PURPOSEFULLY DO IT or TRY TO READ WHAT ITS SAYING? There is a difference.

Reading and applying Scripture is interpretation. Certainly, we should try not to manipulate Scripture to make it say what we want it to say (which I believe is what you are understanding as "interpretation"), but interpretation is not a bad thing; it is a necessary part of applying Scripture to real world situations.
 
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Reading and applying Scripture is interpretation. Certainly, we should try not to manipulate Scripture to make it say what we want it to say (which I believe is what you are understanding as "interpretation"), but interpretation is not a bad thing; it is a necessary part of applying Scripture to real world situations.
My point is that our hermeneutic should be as objective as possible. Isogesis makes scripture obsolete.
 
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"As objective as possible" is different than objective. If that is what you are saying, I agree with you. But, achieving objectivity first requires us to acknowledge the inherent subjectivity of biblical interpretation.
I think this forum needs that advice more than anyone in the congregation section. ;)
 
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I think this forum needs that advice more than anyone in the congregation section. ;)

Really? If there is one thing I will credit liberals with it is understanding the inherent subjectivity of biblical interpretation. My experience has been that it is more often (not always, but often) the fundamentalists that say things like, "This is not my interpretation -- this is what the Bible says." or "The Bible is very clear on this subject!" and so forth. I can't say that I have ever had a liberal try to use Scripture as a trump card to win an argument with me (and yes, I do disagree with many liberals on quite a lot of issues.)
 
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I personally invite all the liberals to SR

Thank you for your kind invitation...



...but I need to perform self-surgery to remove my spleen and pancreas using a butter knife, a grapefruit spoon, fishing thread, a darning needle and homemade alcohol (made from a combination of carbon monoxide and ethylene under high heat and pressure, the device for which I'm going to build tomorrow); and once I do that I want to transcribe all of my spices from alphanumeric to hexadecimal and then reorganize them using assembly language.

Let me get back to you when I'm through. :wave:
 
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So if God tells me something that contradicts what He tells you what does that mean?

That God is quite capable of working His will through two disparate opinions, and that each of the two things which God has said have to be viewed in context to the situation in which they were given?
 
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Perhaps fundamentalism can be linked to the root notion that Scripture actually has one objective interpretation possible.
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Post modernism suggests that truth is fluid, changing, and different for each person, depending on his or her personal experience.

Fundamentalism recognizes that God is unchanging and His truth is simply His truth. It is not dependant on man's experience or interpretation to simply be truth. Are we somehow instantly perfect and fully able to understand every detail of the nature of God? Of course not. But He has given us the tools to seek and explore His nature through Scripture. Personal interpretation does not negate or change the truth. It is our responsibility to seek to understand that truth as fully as possible, so that we can truly glorify Him in our lives. And what a wonderful, joyful, exciting journey! We are truly blessed to get to know Him more and more in our lives, aren't we?

It's not about arrogance in claiming to know everything. It is about recognizing the Gospel truth exists, and seeking to know it (and share it) as fully as possible.

Not sure if I've expressed that very well. Am I making sense?
 
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Post modernism suggests that truth is fluid, changing, and different for each person, depending on his or her personal experience.

Fundamentalism recognizes that God is unchanging and His truth is simply His truth. It is not dependant on man's experience or interpretation to simply be truth. Are we somehow instantly perfect and fully able to understand every detail of the nature of God? Of course not. But He has given us the tools to seek and explore His nature through Scripture. Personal interpretation does not negate or change the truth. It is our responsibility to seek to understand that truth as fully as possible, so that we can truly glorify Him in our lives. And what a wonderful, joyful, exciting journey! We are truly blessed to get to know Him more and more in our lives, aren't we?

It's not about arrogance in claiming to know everything. It is about recognizing the Gospel truth exists, and seeking to know it (and share it) as fully as possible.

Not sure if I've expressed that very well. Am I making sense?

Truth may not necessarily be changing, but it is different for each individual. For instance, it is true that, at this moment in time, I am not paralyzed from the waist down. Now, just because that is true for me doesn't mean that it is true for everyone, and just because it is true right now doesn't mean that it will be in the future.

Of course, in matters dealing with God, some things are indeed absolute and universal. The universe was created by God. Not everyone believes this, but if it is true, then it is true for everyone and everything, and at any point in time, regardless of belief or disbelief. However, the fact that some aspects of truth are absolute doesn't mean that all truth must be absolute.

Let us say that God has a plan for each of us. For the purposes of this discussion, this is an absolute truth that applies to all of us without exception or variation. Now, would you not agree that his plan for each individual person is unique, different from everyone else's? He presents us with different challenges, gives us different gifts, and speaks to us through different personal experiences. The truth that God has a plan for each of us is absolute, but how it applies to us differs from person to person. So you see, the post-modern view and the absolutist view aren't mutually exclusive. With religious matters, as with everything else, it really depends on what you're talking about specifically.

As for interpretation, you are right that our belief or disbelief in an absolute truth does not change the fact that it is true, and you are also right that the study of scripture is (or at least should be) a journey that one takes, with the goal being to come to a better understanding of God. What you do not seem to realize (and I certainly mean no disrespect or personal attack by that), however, is that that journey is interpretation. By reading the scripture, determining what you believe their true meaning is, and then applying that understanding to your relationship with God and with other people, you are interpreting it. Even if one were to take everything that scripture says at face value, and then decide that every single word is literal, absolute truth regardless of context, that is still an interpretation.

It simply isn't possible to attempt to understand the meaning of scripture (or of anything, for that matter) without interpreting it. That's just how the human mind works. It's an absolute truth. ;)
 
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