The Three-Legged Stool of Apostasy

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We haven’t gotten past the above quote yet, surely you have to prove your point biblically?
:scratch: That is the Bible and it clearly states that the covenant was written on stone and it was the 10 commandments. Did you need more proof 'biblically'. Or is Ex. 34 not 'biblical' to you?

As for the second question, this might help you.
See Exodus 19: 22 – 25. 20: 1 – 24. 31: 18. 34: Deut 4: 11 – 14. 5: 22 – 24. 9: 10 – 11
Deut 10: 1 - 5.
1 Kings 8: 9.

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So, that would be a 'yes' then?:thumbsup:
 
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The laws that were done away with at the cross were Mosaic laws, they pointed to Messiah come.
The Passover, involved His people’s freedom from Egypt at midnight.
See Exodus 11: 4. 12: 29.
Also Exodus 12: 11, 21, 27, 43, 49. 34: 25.
The Passover preparation day, where Jesus was crucified and died and was buried on ‘the feast of Unleavened bread to the Lord.’ A High Sabbath where Jesus was buried, that evening. See Matthew 27: 57, 58. After three nights and three days He rose.

Our Redeemer saving us from the second death, sin’s snare.
Also circumcision was done away with at the cross.

The Bible, is a Jewish book not a Gentile one. The only Gentile that wrote in the Bible was Nebuchadnezzar.
When the Jews, read the book they read about themselves when we read it, it is about their traditions.
We Gentiles are invited in but Gentiles like to turn the book from Jewish into a Gentile book. Calling the Passover ‘Easter’ and celebrating it with a pagan tradition of the Easter egg based on fertility is senseless to me.

The Temple services and times and types are prophetic if you can bear that.

Paul was NOT talking about the commandment Sabbath.
Any serious Bible student would know that ‘NEW MOONS’ do not govern the WEEKLY SABBATH.

Col 2: 11 – 14. Please look at the context of these verses.
Col 2: 13. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

These that were blotted out? The handwritten Temple ordinances as we shall see as we work through this.
Col 2: 14. BLOTTTING OUT THE HANDWRITING of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and TOOK IT OUT OF THE WAY, NAILING IT TO THE CROSS;

This next verse, to be consistent with Paul and Jesus, must be about the High Sabbaths NOT the commandment weekly Sabbath

Col 2: 16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect OF AN HOLYDAY, OR OF THE NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH.

The HIGH SABBATHS in the above verse were governed by a new moon.

Paul, was absolutely consistent with Jesus, in this.

John 14: 15. “If you love Me, keep My commandments.

For Paul to be consistent in Romans 14: 5, with Jesus, he must mean High Sabbaths, as he did in Col 2: 16.
Romans 14: 5. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Paul in Romans 14: 5. could not, would dare not be speaking of the fourth commandment otherwise he would be contradicting himself and Jesus.

Romans 3: 31. Do we then make VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? God forbid: yea, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

Romans 6: 15. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

To pull Romans 14: 5. out of context causes confusion, where there is none if the Bible, were read correctly.

As a reminder. Jesus, confirmed the ten commandments were part of the agreement of loving HIM.

John 14: 15. If you love Me, keep My commandments.
I could stop here but I want to drive the point home a little more.

John 14: 21. He who has MY COMMANDMENTS AND KEEPS THEM, IT IS HE WHO LOVES ME. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

It was Jesus, that said these following words to John.
Rev 12: 17. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST.

Now to remain consistent I will highlight the following.

Jeremiah 31: 31. “Behold, THE DAYS COME, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Jeremiah 31: 32. “NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THAT DAY I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT.
My covenant which they broke, though I WAS A HUSBAND TO THEM, says the LORD.”

( See Ezekiel 16: to recognise the harlot BRIDE then see Rev 17: not now, but later please)

Jeremiah 31: 33. “But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR MINDS, and WRITE IT ON THEIR HEARTS; and I WILL BE THEIR GOD, and they shall be My people.”

Jeremiah 31: 34. “No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I WILL FORGIVE THEIR ENIQUITY, AND THEIR SIN I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE.”

Temple times and service of the Priest entering the holy of holies on the day of Atonement was done away with at the cross.
Again Paul, is being quite consistent in this matter along with Jesus and John, just look at the Temple references here.
I will quote Hebrews 8: 10 – 16 – 19. at the near end of my reply so there is no doubt from where I come on this matter.


Jeremiah 31: 33. repeated in Heb 10:
Hebrews 10: 31. “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32“NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY I TOOK THEM by the hand to lead them OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT, My COVENANT WHICH THEY BROKE, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD.

33“But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD:

I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

34“No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I WILL FORGIVE THEIR INIQUITY, AND THEIR SIN I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE.”

Paul now speaks of the ‘Mosaic laws’ Temple services of atonement carried out behind the veil that only the High Priest could enter which are now done away with at the cross.
( They used to place a rope around the Priest in case he died so they could pull him out without going behind the veil. )

Hebrews 10: 19. Therefore, brethren, having boldness TO ENTER THE HOLIEST BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS, 20. by a NEW LIVING WAY which HE CONSECRATED FOR US, THROUGH THE VEIL, that is, HIS FLESH, 21. and having a HIGH PRIEST over the house of God,

There is nothing in the context of Romans 14 about new moons or high sabbaths.
 
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AT, my point is that merely citing something that Paul said about the plan of salvation does not settle the truth about salvation. We would do well to take note of Paul's admission that he "saw through a glass darkly."


Ok...then what settles the truth about salvation? :)

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freeindeed2 said:
:scratch: 1. That is the Bible and it clearly states that the covenant was written on stone and it was the 10 commandments. Did you need more proof 'biblically'. Or is Ex. 34 not 'biblical' to you?
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2. The Bible disagrees with you as it clearly states that the covenant was the 10 commandments (at least). If you would like more references I will post them as this is NOT the only passage stating it.
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3. So, that would be a 'yes' then?:thumbsup:

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1. Where did I say differently?

2. where does the Bible disagree with me?

3. The answer is within Exodus 19: 22 – 25. 20: 1 – 24. 31: 18. 34: Deut 4: 11 – 14. 5: 22 – 24. 9: 10 – 11
Deut 10: 1 - 5.
1 Kings 8: 9.
So what do you think it is?
 
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1. Where did I say differently?

2. where does the Bible disagree with me?

3. The answer is within Exodus 19: 22 – 25. 20: 1 – 24. 31: 18. 34: Deut 4: 11 – 14. 5: 22 – 24. 9: 10 – 11
Deut 10: 1 - 5.
1 Kings 8: 9.
So what do you think it is?
Not playing your game...

Bye:wave:
 
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joyoussong said:
There is nothing in the context of Romans 14 about new moons or high sabbaths.

Hi Joyoussong,
Where are the words ‘commandment Sabbath’ or ‘Sabbath’ found in Rom 14?
Dear Joyoussong, are you saying that we can ignore the 4th commandment on your understanding of Rom 14: 5.” One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.”
Would you please explain all of Romans 14 so that I can see if you understand why Paul was saying these thing please?

Could you please explain why Paul, in the following verses was speaking of High Sabbaths governed by the new moon.
Col 2: 16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the NEW MOON, or of the sabbath days.

Can you explain why Paul, confirms that we should establish the law and why you disagree with Paul?
Romans 3: 31. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we ESTABLISH THE LAW.

Do you believe that if we break the ten commandments we are not sinning?

Romans 6: 15. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

As a reminder. Jesus, confirmed the ten commandments also and were a part of the agreement of us loving HIM.
Do you not love Jesus, and if you do, why do you ignore His advice about the ten commandments?

John 14: 15. “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

John 14: 21. He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
The remnant are described as keeping and having two things.

Rev 12: 17. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST.
Do you consider yourself part of the ‘remnant’ and if so do you try and keep the commandments?


So what Sabbaths do you think Paul, was speaking of, was it the Commandment 7th days Sabbath that Jesus, confirms we keep as part of loving Him or an High Sabbaths done away with at the cross?

Or do you think that Jesus is wrong in that we don’t have to bother about the ten commandments.
Maybe you think that it is just the fourth commandment that is no longer binding on Christians?
Well if you do I have this to show you.

Matthew 5: 19. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

In His love.

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freeindeed2 said:
Also, I can show you that breaking the 10 commandments was breaking the covenant. Would you like those references too? Unquote

Not playing your game...

Bye:wave:

Hi Freeindeed, I can assure you dear Brother, this is NOT a game it is very serious biblically.

I have found that the word of God makes those against it powerless, have you found that?

Of course “you can show me that breaking the 10 commandments was breaking the covenant.”
I can do likewise by saying, ‘breaking the commandment is breaking the covenant meaning agreement to it.’

If you are trying to say that the commandments are covenants then we part company on that issue and that is fine by me.
However I would like to say this.

A Covenant means an agreement, a contract, treaty, promise, pledge.
A Commandment noun – means command.

Breaking the commandment is breaking our covenant/agreement to it.

Breaking the covenant/agreement, is by the breaking of the commandment.

Are you trying to say that the commandments are no longer the law?
If so, then please prove it biblically verse by verse in context with the verses that I have used previously in this discussion and those following that say otherwise from Jesus, Paul, Matthew, John and Mark.

Matthew 5: 19. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Do you ignore the 4th commandment because of a man made tradition?

Matthew 15: 3. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

Matthew 15: 4. For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

Matthew 22: 36. Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Matthew 22: 37. Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Matthew 22: 38. This is the first and great commandment

Matthew 22: 39. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 22: 40. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Keeping within context.
John 13: 34. A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

John 13: 35. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

2 John 5. And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

Mark 7: 9. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
See Mark 12: 28 – 31.

Luke 23: 55. And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.

Luke 23: 56. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Romans 13: 8. Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Romans 13: 9. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Romans 13: 10. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Dear freeindeed, do you consider the commandments no longer the law of God?

If you do not answer I will assume your answer to be to the affirmative.

In His love.

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joyoussong said:
Hi.

Where do you get the idea it is the ten He writes on the heart?

Hebrews 8: 10. For this is the covenant that I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, saith the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MIND, and WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I WILL BE TO THEM A GOD, and they shall be to me a people:
 
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That is the Bible and it clearly states that the covenant was written on stone and it was the 10 commandments.


A covenant is between two parties. The 10C only states God's standards for our behavior. There's no covenant until and unless you "covenant" to keep them--the COI sought to do so on their own power, God said that in the new covenant He would write His law on our hearts.
 
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Hi Joyoussong,
Where are the words ‘commandment Sabbath’ or ‘Sabbath’ found in Rom 14?

There isn't. Or high sabbath.

Dear Joyoussong, are you saying that we can ignore the 4th commandment on your understanding of Rom 14: 5.” One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.”
Would you please explain all of Romans 14 so that I can see if you understand why Paul was saying these thing please?

Don't judge over disputable matters, like food or days.

Could you please explain why Paul, in the following verses was speaking of High Sabbaths governed by the new moon.
Col 2: 16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the NEW MOON, or of the sabbath days.

Holyday (feast days)- yearly
New moons- monthly
Sabbath days- weekly

He's saying the same thing here- no judging over food or drink or days.

Can you explain why Paul, confirms that we should establish the law and why you disagree with Paul?
Romans 3: 31. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we ESTABLISH THE LAW.

Do you believe that if we break the ten commandments we are not sinning?

Playing favorites is sinning (James).
Knowing to do good and not doing it is sinning (James).
Whatever is not of faith is sin (Romans).

Romans 6: 15. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

As a reminder. Jesus, confirmed the ten commandments also and were a part of the agreement of us loving HIM.
Do you not love Jesus, and if you do, why do you ignore His advice about the ten commandments?

John 14: 15. “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

Where did He say the ten are His commandments? Please quote.

John 14: 21. He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
The remnant are described as keeping and having two things.

Rev 12: 17. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST.

23This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. 1 John


Do you consider yourself part of the ‘remnant’ and if so do you try and keep the commandments?


So what Sabbaths do you think Paul, was speaking of, was it the Commandment 7th days Sabbath that Jesus, confirms we keep as part of loving Him

Please quote where He said this.

or an High Sabbaths done away with at the cross?

Please quote the passage saying this.

Or do you think that Jesus is wrong in that we don’t have to bother about the ten commandments.
Maybe you think that it is just the fourth commandment that is no longer binding on Christians?
Well if you do I have this to show you.

Matthew 5: 19. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

In His love.

PC

Are you working on being the greatest?

"whosoever shall do..."

How you doing?

"...and teach..."

I'm not teaching anyone to break them. You consider sabbath above other days, that's fine.
 
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Hebrews 8: 10. For this is the covenant that I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, saith the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MIND, and WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I WILL BE TO THEM A GOD, and they shall be to me a people:


The Greek word used in Hebrews is nomos-

1) anything established, anything received by usage, a custom, a law, a command
a) of any law whatsoever
1) a law or rule producing a state approved of God
a) by the observance of which is approved of God
2) a precept or injunction
3) the rule of action prescribed by reason
b) of the Mosaic law, and referring, acc. to the context. either to the volume of the law or to its contents
c) the Christian religion: the law demanding faith, the moral instruction given by Christ, esp. the precept concerning love
d) the name of the more important part (the Pentateuch), is put for the entire collection of the sacred books of the OT


The Hebrew word used in Jeremiah is towrah-

1) law, direction, instruction
a) instruction, direction (human or divine)
1) body of prophetic teaching
2) instruction in Messianic age
3) body of priestly direction or instruction
4) body of legal directives
b) law
1) law of the burnt offering
2) of special law, codes of law
c) custom, manner
d) the Deuteronomic or Mosaic Law


You are assuming it means the ten.
 
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joyoussong said:
You are assuming it means the ten.

I have never said that on any of my posts.

joyoussong said:
There isn't. Or high sabbath.

High Sabbaths refer to the annual festivals recorded in the books of Exodus and Deuteronomy. Rather than the weekly seventh day Sabbath, these days of the Festivals of Unleavened Bread or Passover Pesach, Pentecost Shavout, Atonement Yom kipper, Trumpets Rosh Hashanah, and Tabernacles Sukkoth may fall on various other days of the week.
This phrase "high Sabbath" has been identified by Dr. Dani ben Gigi of Hebrewworld.com, former professor of Hebrew Language at Arizona State University, as meaning specifically "Shabbat haGadol", that is, the weekly Sabbath that comes before Passover each year. There is no reference in the Torah of the Jews, the first five books of Moses, or the Old Testament that calls the Feast Days as "high holy days". This is a modern practice

joyoussong said:
Don't judge over disputable matters, like food or days.

There is no dispute as far as I’m concerned regarding FOOD.
There is no dispute about the TEN Commandments they were put there by the authority of Almighty God, as a moral standard, if you don’t observe them that’s your choice.

joyoussong said:
Holyday (feast days)- yearly
New moons- monthly

You are referring to High Sabbaths governed by the new moon. Psalm 81: 3. Blow up the trumpet in the NEW MOON, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day.
See Ezekiel 4:

joyoussong said:
Sabbath days- weekly.

Yes the seventh day Sabbath just one out of TEN Commandments set at the seventh day by the Lord and not governed by the new moon.
Matt 12: 1. For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Matt 24 is concerned with the second coming of the Lord, where mention of the SABBATH AT THAT TIME IS MADE.
Therefore THE Sabbath is still relevant at the great tribulation at ‘the time of the end’
Matt 24: 20. But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on THE SABBATH DAY: 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
See Matt 24: 22 – 51.

joyoussong said:
He's saying the same thing here- no judging over food or drink or days.

It’s a little more than that simple explanation. Paul, is speaking of food and drink OFFERED TO IDOLS in Cor 8: causing a man weaker in faith to stumble if another, stronger in faith eats that meat offered to idols.
So he said don’t eat it because causing another weaker in faith to be offended or stumble is a sin against the Lord.

1 Cor 8: 4. As concerning therefore the EATING OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE OFFERED in SACRIFICE UNTO IDOLS, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

1 Cor 8: 9. For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol’s temple, shall not the conscience of him which IS WEAK be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;

11. And through thy knowledge SHALL THE WEAK BROTHER PERISH, for whom Christ died?
12. But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, YE SIN against Christ.

1 Cor 8: 13. Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

Some thought certain events were more important than others.
We refer to them as ‘high Sabbaths’ and or ‘celebrations,’ ‘feasts, festivals, temple services’ etc.

In the Bible they are Hanukkah, Feast of Harvest,
Year of Jubilee, New Moon, Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, Feast of Purim, Sabbatical Year, Seventh Month Festival, Feast of Tabernacles, Feast of Trumpets, Feast of Weeks,
‘Lord’s Release’ every seventh year.

joyoussong said:
Playing favorites is sinning (James).

where in the King James Version does it say favourites?
However if you are saying choosing to keep the 4th commandments is playing favourites then you are sadly mistaken according to Paul, where he kept the Sabbath after the resurrection of Jesus, which is just one of the Ten commandments.
Acts 17: 2. And Paul, AS HIS MANNER WAS, went in unto them, and THREE SABBATH DAYS reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
3. Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and RISEN again FROM THE DEAD; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

joyoussong said:
Knowing to do good and not doing it is sinning (James).

Yes, that is obvious, sin is breaking any of the ten commandments.


joyoussong said:
Whatever is not of faith is sin (Romans).

Please give the chapter and verse for backup please?

joyoussong said:
Where did He say the ten are His commandments?

The Lord had many commandments. Let me ask you a simple basic question.
How many commandments were written on stone by God?
Here are a few laws mentioned in scripture. Gen 26: 5. Exodus 16: 28. 20: 6. Le 22: 31. 26: 3, 15. Nu 15; 40. Deuteronomy 5: 10, 11, 29. 11: 13. 1 Sam 15: 10. 1 Kings 3: 14. 6: 12. 9: 6. 11: 34, 38. 14: 8. 2 Kings 17: 13. 1 Chronicles 28: 7. 2 Chronicles 7; 19. Nehemiah 1: 9. Psalms 89: 31. Proverbs 2: 1. 3: 1. 4; 4. 7:1, 2. Isaiah 48: 18.

These are the ten written with the finger of God, on stone. He asked us to keep.
See John 14: 15, 21. John 15: 10.

joyoussong said:
Please quote.
23This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. 1 John

Yes and Jesus said much,much more,
Romans 13: 8. Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another HATH FULFILLED THE LAW.
What law?
Romans 13: 9. For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, TTHOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF.
10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love the FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

I believe I asked you a question previously and repeated below.
Prophecy Countdown said:
Do you consider yourself part of the ‘remnant’ and if so do you try and keep the commandments?

joyoussong said:
Please quote where He said this.

Yes here in John 14: 15. If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


joyoussong said:
Please quote the passage saying this.
Are you working on being the greatest?

If you are asking why I work, this is one of my favourite verses that will explain it ALL to you. 2 Tim 2 15. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

joyoussong said:
I'm not teaching anyone to break them.

So that means when you say ‘you’re not teaching anyone to break them.’
you must support the TEN commandments including of course the 4th .

Well done, here is the verse you asked for regarding your promised reward, that you seem to be working for, to be called ‘great in the kingdom of Heaven.’
Let me be the first to call you the ‘great joyoussong.’

Matt 5: 19. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called GREAT in the kingdom of heaven.

It is good that you observe the TEN COMMANDMENTS as an example to others which would not cause those weak in faith to stumble.
 
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joyoussong said:
You consider sabbath above other days, that's fine.
It is not my wish that I consider the 4th commandment above another at all.
What I ‘consider’ very important joyoussong, is what the Bible, states that we all should ‘consider.’
Exodus 20: 8. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

I wonder what day Paul observed out of the seven?
O yes here it is ‘every Sabbath.’
Acts 18: 4. And he reasoned in the synagogue EVERY SABBATH, and persuaded the JEWS and the GREEKS.
Paul, was not questioning any of the Ten Commandments let alone the fourth.
He was speaking of the old ‘high Sabbaths’ governed by THE NEW MOONS and meat offered to idols.
That is why he said ‘NEW MOON.’
Col 2: 16. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an HOLYDAY, OR OF THE NEW MOON, OR OF THE SABBATH.

However to me the greatest commandment is love.
Romans 8: 10. Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that LOVETH ANOTHER HATH FULFILLED THE LAW.
That is why Jesus, said John 14: 15. “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

1 John 3: 23. And THIS IS HIS COMMANDMENT, That we should BELIEVE on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and LOVE ONE ANOTHER, as he gave us commandment.
24And HE THAT KEEPETH HIS COMMANDMENTS DWELETH IN HIM, and HE IN HIM. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the SPIRIT which he hath given us.

Romans 8: 9. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt NOT STEAL, Thou shalt NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, Thou shalt NOT COVET; and if there be ANY ATHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR as thyself.
Romans 8: 10. LOVE worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore LOVE FULFILLING THE LAW.

2 John 4: I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children WALKETH IN TRUTH, as we have received a commandment from the Father.

5And now I beseech thee, lady, NOT AS THOUGH I WROTE A NEW COMMANDMET UNTO THEE, but that which WE HAD FROM THE BEGINNING, that we LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
6And THIS IS LOVE, THAT WE WALK AFTER HIS COMMANDMETS. THIS IS THE COMMANDMENT, That, as ye have heard FROM THE BEGINNING, YE SHOULD WALK IN IT.


1 John 3: 12. Not as Cain, who WAS OF THAT WICKED ONE, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were EVIL, and his brother’s RIGHTEOUS. 13MARVEL NOT, MY BRETHREN, IF THE WORLD HATE YOU.
14We know that we have passed from death unto life, because WE LOVE THE BRETHREN. He that LOVETH NOT his brother abideth IN DEATH.

Maranatha.

PC.
 
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djconklin said:
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A covenant is between two parties. The 10C only states God's standards for our behavior. There's no covenant until and unless you "covenant" to keep them--the COI sought to do so on their own power, God said that in the new covenant He would write His law on our hearts.

Thankyou djcoklin, well said. I wish I had said it first though.
In His love PC.
 
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I was reading through this post joyoussong, and noticed you had asked me where a High sabbath was mentioned and thought I would pop this verse in.

John 19: 31. The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

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PC, your refferenced text needs additional understanding.
John 19: 31. "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."
See Ex. 12:18. There you will find the command to observe the Passover. The Passover was a "high holy day." We also know that Jesus was crucified on the Friday before Passover. The refference in John 19:31 reffers to a weekly, seventh day, Sabbath which was also a high holy day.


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What is so hard to understand, the Sabbath was a gift to remind us and point us back to God, Creation and His love....when we turn away from it we lose all the blessings for us from that gift. Those that reject it are just keeping themselves from these blessings...
 
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thecountrydoc said:
PC, your refferenced text needs additional understanding. See Ex. 12:18. There you will find the command to observe the Passover. The Passover was a "high holy day." We also know that Jesus was crucified on the Friday before Passover. The refference in John 19:31 reffers to a weekly, seventh day, Sabbath which was also a high holy day.

Respectfully, your brother in Christ,
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Hi Doc, I think you will find that the Passover was the preparation day before a High Sabbath.
(Capitals used for emphasis only.)

John 19: 31. "The Jews therefore, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross ON THE SABBATH DAY, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

Most mistakenly think ‘it was the weekly commandment Sabbath.’

Seven days were celebrated with eating unleavened bread.
Exodus 23: 15. Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread SEVEN DAYS, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month Abib; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty:) See Exodus 12: 1 -

The Passover was THE PREPARATION DAY before the High Sabbath of ‘Unleavened Bread which is the feast to the Lord.’
Exodus 13: 6. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, and IN THE SEVENTH DAY shall be A FEAST TO THE LORD.
This celebration was governed by the new moon and could start and finish on any day of the week.
Exodus 12: 18. In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.
It was a memorial.
Exodus 12: 14. And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

Matthew 26: 17. Now the first of the unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the Passover?

Luke 22: 7. Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the Passover must be killed.
Luke 22: 8. And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the Passover, that we may eat.

Jesus, was killed on the PREPARATION DAY called the ‘PASSOVER.’ Joseph, pleaded for the Lord’s body AFTER the Passover early upon the next day which was an HIGH SABBATH at ‘EVEN’ TIME whereupon he buried Jesus. Early in the day is at sundown by biblical standards.

Matthew 27: 57. WHEN THE EVEN WAS COME, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus’ disciple:

Matthew 27: 58. He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered.

Matthew 27: 59. And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60. And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.

If ‘Jesus, was crucified on Friday’ as some mistakenly claim, then He would have been buried on Friday evening which would have been the start of the weekly commandment Sabbath and if He ROSE UP EARLY on the first day of the week, which would be Saturday evening our time,
then that incorrect start of sequencing denies the ONLY sign of His Messiahship by the fact that He said He would be buried for a specific time of 3 days and 3 nights in Matt 16: 4. One night and one day does not fulfill the requirements of His prophetic testimony.

Jonah 1: 17. Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three DAYS(3117) and three NIGHTS.(3915)
Matthew 12: 40. “For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three DAYS(2250) and three nights(3571) in the heart of the earth.”
To fulfill His own prophetic words Jesus, would have had to have been buried on Wednesday evening, remained in the tomb Thursday and Friday evenings and rose Saturday evening, which makes THREE NIGHTS. He would have remained in the ground THURSDAY, FRIDAY, and on the SABBATH day making three days.
That then is the prophecy fulfilled of ‘three days and three nights.’
There used to be the idea of ‘A CONCLUSIVE THEORY’ meaning a part of a day was counted as one day but even that idea does not solve the biblical problem for those claiming a Friday crucifixion as far as basic mathematics is concerned but there again we are dealing with the traditions of men that ignore scripture.
Your brother and servant in Jesus.
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