A call to urgency (Now THIS will get your attention!)

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supermagdalena

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This was shared at my church a couple of weeks ago.


Brian Warner had joined a youth group, but he was a sort of outcast in it. I mean, the youth pastor would talk to him for a little, but then he would go talk to the more popular and more responsive kids. So Brian never got plugged in to this youth group, and never really was made to feel welcome.

One day, the youth group to a trip to an amusement park. The youth director announced once they had arrived for everyone to pair off. Soon, everyone had a partner. Except for one. No one would be a partner to Brian Warner. Soon after that, he left the youth group.

Years later, the old director had retired and a kid that was formally in the youth group had taken over. One day, the old director got a call from the new director. The new director said,

"Hey, do you remember that kid that was in our youth program a couple of years ago? Brian Warner? He wasn't really popular or anything."

"Yeah," the old director replied. "Vaguely."

"Well," the new one began, "He isn't called Brian Warner anymore."

"No?" The old director was confused. "What is he called?"

"Marilyn Manson."

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How does this make you feel? If one person in that youth group had dared to go against the flow, dared to reach out a helping hand to poor searching Brian Warner, then maybe he wouldn't have become Marilyn Manson. Maybe, just maybe, instead of having a violent persecutor of the Christian faith, we would've had a man on fire for God, passionately promoting it, declaring it to the world. All it took was one person to say a kind word, or befriend him. Or stand up and volunteer to be his partner. But no one did. And it changed the entire course of hundreds of peoples' lives.
 

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Somehow it doesn't surprise me, if this story is true.

On one hand, to blame the youth group for what he has become is wrong. Only he is responsible for his actions.

However, scripture is clear that we are known by our love. Our agape love. Or should I say,, we should be known by our love. Too often, it is so easy to ignore the unlovable. I know. I hve ignored and I have been ignored.

This is one reason why I do not attend a church now. Although I homeschool using rthe Bible as our mainn curriculum and I lvoe the Lord Jesus, I have no desire to be affiliated with "church".

Just my two cents.

Linda
 
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Hello,

I am by no means a Marylin Manson expert, but I just got done watching a show about his early life on MTV. I shut it off during the later years because it was gross.

Anyhow I watched it out of curiosity because I wanted to see what kind of childhood he had.

He went to a parochial school up until the 10th grade. He asked his parents to take him out because he did not fit in. He went to public school after that. Didn't fit in there either.

The only comment that was made was when he would try to participate in class the teacher would always shoot him down for his ideas.

He was heavily into the game "Dungeons and Dragons" and heavy metal.

His mom bought him and his friends beer when he was 16 because she figured he would do it anyway so it would be better if it was done supervised. :confused:

Anyhow he did not have a christian influence in his home.

Had to throw in my two cents. Like I said I just watched this about an hour ago.


God Bless,
Roberta
 
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I think we are overlooking something here. I can't imagine a person recieving the Holy Spirit and being abandoned by God. God would make sure that someone was there to nurture him.

Saying this I mean to imply that he was not saved. He probably was rebelious and may even had been disrutive. I don't know this for sure. Anyhow his spiritual choices are his own resposiblity.

I don't mean to say christians should not reach out to all people but I don't think we should be too hard on that youth group.

Just my 2 cents.
 
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Whether the story is true or not, we do overlook people. We're human. I think a kind word, a friendly smile, a sincere "how are you" goes a lot further than a sermon can ever reach.

We can't be too hard on the youth group without taking a look at ourselves. Each of us find ourselves looking for the big "thing" for God. We all want to do something great for the kingdom, and that's O.K., but sometimes we overlook the things right in front of our noses. The really sad part is that it's usually people.

mk
 
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I'm pretty sure he was not saved. What breaks my heart is that, someone slipped through the cracks. What bugs me even more is that i don't know if I would've had to courage to help him. I'm not blaming the youth group, they just did what everyone else, including me, would've most likely done. This is just a call to urgency: the outcasts of society matter too. Some of us don't realize this until it's too late. I want to prevent this. Ever since i heard this story i have been ministering to even the weirdest people i know in my school (anarchists, heathenist) because everyone can be saved. As Christians we are called to love our neighbor. This is the one rule we break too often...and now that i realize that i am guilty of sitting by and watching, and even sometimes joining in, i feel like crying. That's why i posted this. It's a call to conviction, no one's placing blame. But there are other Brian Warners out there that we still have contact with everyday. I want to encourage people to have to courage to stand up for anyone, so matter the personal cost.
 
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>>"Marilyn Manson."

I do not know what a Marilyn Manson is, but I actually prefer to associate with the so called unloveable people, that most people avoid. Look at it this way. Let's say we have 100 people who are going on a 10 mile march. You know that there are going to be people out ahead of the rest, but there are going to be people dragging behind. I would rather help the people who are dragging behind, because the march is not over tell the last person gets there. That is the way it is with Heaven.
 
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SuperMagelene, I am glad you shared about Marilyn Manson ~ it is sad and when I read it I thought about several of the kids I knew in school and how they were "put down". And even kids in church, and in christian schools ~ these are places that parents bring their kids to hoping that they will be given positive influenced.
JohnR7 your post is really good. I picture the Lord Jesus, the friend of sinners, looking for the loner, the unpopular, the one who is not really accepted by the members of the youth group. Those are the ones that I picture the Lord would seek out and lift up.
If I were a youth pastor I would make sure that the cliques, those high brow exclusive circle of friends, learn and see what it is to love as Jesus loved.
 
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I understand completely what you are saying. I believe the pastor
was over a flock of lambs and did not oversee it according to the Holy Spirit. He should have taken the lonely, the one with a seperate life under his wing and made him part of the flock. Then
Brian would have seen the love of Christ and his life would have been possibly one of beautiful Worship instead of defiance and striking back. Very sad. :(

Originally posted by supermagdalena

How does this make you feel? If one person in that youth group had dared to go against the flow, dared to reach out a helping hand to poor searching Brian Warner, then maybe he wouldn't have become Marilyn Manson. Maybe, just maybe, instead of having a violent persecutor of the Christian faith, we would've had a man on fire for God, passionately promoting it, declaring it to the world. All it took was one person to say a kind word, or befriend him. Or stand up and volunteer to be his partner. But no one did. And it changed the entire course of hundreds of peoples' lives.
 
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Supermagdelena,


I think that this is a wake up call too.

I think it is also a message to parents. You cannot just drop your kids off at church, sunday school or even just send them to a christian school. You are responsible for their spiritual life too.

I watched the biography and his parents gave the ok to alcohol and the dungeon and dragons they allowed parties in their home. :(

Coming from a non-christian home myself my own parents allowed me to drink at a young age. I even drank with them. At the time I thought it was cool but it was wrong and the message that is sent........"I do not really care about you" :(

God Bless,
Roberta
 
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I know many people in my life who look at someone & say to themselves, "OH they arn't saved", & then they go about their fellowship with other Christians.
Looking down your nose at someone you don't think is saved is not discipleship. Very few Christians practice discipleship, of the ones I know.
God never turns his back on anyone, humans turn their back on God.
It is likely that a person can have faith in Jesus as a new immature CHristian, then be mistreated by judgemental Christians, and being unknowledgeable, turn their back on God & choose a different path.
What purpose does a Christian serve who only associates with other Christians? They serve their own purpose of building up their own faith, joy, love, & false peace.
thankyou for reminding me of my purpose.
 
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i'd like to comment on two issues raised in this thread:

#1 the point, whether the story is true or not, is that we (christians) do join together in clicks, etc.....shunning the less out-going, or whatever. i can relate to what lindalou40 said about churches too. we moved to a new community over 2 years ago. my wife & i, are an average 40 something couple and have been to most of the churches in town at one point or another and have yet to find ourselves feeling welcome in any of them. i think that it is bizarre. we have kind of gotten out of the habit of going...or trying to go to church. we watch preachers on tv on sun morning.
something is wrong here......

#2 about the beer thing. i grew up in a loving home that thought it was a christian home (if you follow me). my mom, not my dad but my mom, used to buy beer for us (with our $$$) to consume at the tender age of 16 provided we stayed there and gave up all car keys. granted, the drinking age in NY state at that time was 18, but none the less, her thinking was that we would be out in our cars drinking and she felt that this was the safer of the two choices. she was right....that we would have been out drinking, and driving, etc. to this day, i believe that she ...... under the circumstances, and at that time did the right thing, even though i wouldn't even consider doing the same now. anyhow, neither i nor any of my friends from back then, became marylyn manson or anything like him/it. everyone pretty much grew up to be responsible adults.

i didn't make much of a point of any kind here....sorry....i am going to post this anyways. :confused:

peace<><
 
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Though I have many friends that are being raised in non-Christian households, I was blessed with two wonderful, Christian, righteous people for parents. I learned from a young age that I had to choose to accept Jesus, and they made sure I knew the facts, but still came to my own decision. This, I feel, is a great way to raise a child, and how I plan to raise my childre. My parents are the people I hold in the highest esteem. But I know that not everyone is raised this way from my friends with horrible home lives, and friends with parents who just don't care what they do.

Secondly, I learned the hard way how clicky some churches can be. I recently switched to a nondenominational church where a lot of my friends go, because the Methodist church I was going to was not sufficient. There was an almost non-existant youth group, and the youth was made up of two clicks, and even though I went there for almost 5 years, I never made more than two friends. So I finally got fed up and switched. This is why that story touched me so much, I know what it feels like to be rejected, because I have been, a LOT. I just ended up going to the different extreme, because of great parents and a wonderful moral structure in my home.

I have been so touched by this story, that I have done my best to change. I stopped joining in, and have even started to stand up a bit. Because that is what we are called to do, and that is what's important.
 
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The Bible sys, He that knoweth to do good and doth is not, to him is sin.
and
Even the rightious man sinneth seven times in a day

I will try my best to live as Jesus did...
bit I wil fail--
only Jesus is perfect--
But thanks be to God through Jesus!!
If we call on Him, He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us fom all unrightiousbness
^_^
 
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According to Snopes, this story is not true.

http://www.snopes2.com/music/artists/marilyn3.htm

The bottom line is that there have been 2 biographies about Manson, and he has given myriad interviews, and not one of these sources mentions this incident.

While there is a moral to the story that we might apply with respect to outcasts among us, we shouldn't spread falsehoods. This damages our credibility and ultimately the name of Jesus Christ.

Tinker
 
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