If You Are So Evolved Then Why Can't You Stop Sinning And Doing Evil????

In fairness, I'm pretty certain that following God's laws is less about success and more about the attempt.

Revelation1217 said:

If you are so evolved, then why can't you stop sinning and doing evil? No matter how hard you try, none of you can stop massively sinning.

Why?

Imagine if someone could put together an hour long movie with the most wicked things you had ever thought, said or did together and put it on television on a major network during prime time.

You would want to run away and never come back

That is how any of us would feel.

But why can't we be better?

Why hasn't someone evolved who can rise above the wickedness?

Why is every form of wickedness imaginable just exploding around the world?

Perhaps there is a much better explanation than Darwinism that explains why there is so much wickedness in the world.

I think that taking a closer look at the Ten Commandments will be helpful:

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In this post, are you trying to say that you are morally superior to those who are not your religious peers? IF thats the case, I can show were your peers have done horrible terrible things. Why do they do these things if they are morally superior?

Why did the crusades happen? why did the witch burnings happen? Why people drown their kids or cook them in ovens and say that it was god telling them to do so? Why do creationists knowingly lie to get their point across... bearing false witness so to speak. Why is their more incest in heavily religious areas? Why do athirst nations like Sweden and have better health care, literacy rates etc...

You cannot demonstrate your religion makes you a better person, or anyone else for that matter. So why should I accept your religion when it wont make me a better person, Only a person afraid of a super natural power that has never shown to exist.

Bushido216 said:

In fairness, I'm pretty certain that following God's laws is less about success and more about the attempt.

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Besides the prize isn't really that great. I hear the last guy to make a successful attempt got crucified.

Revelation1217 said:

If you are so evolved, then why can't you stop sinning and doing evil?

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Because being well suited to one's environment does not entail lack of sin.

Revelation1217 said:

If you are so evolved, then why can't you stop sinning and doing evil?

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Because, to pass on the non-sinning gene (NSG from this point on) the person with the NSG would have to copulate with another member of the species. And seeing as we know that all girls prefer bad men, and all men prefer naughty girls, that poor ol' NSG isn't looking too advantageous. Any evidence to the contrary is wrong.

Oh, look at that, a flippant answer to a pointless and uninformed question. I don't know what came over me.

Please take a look at this:
Divorse rates among evangelical christians are just as high as for non Christians.

http://www.barna.org/FlexPage.aspx?Page=BarnaUpdate&BarnaUpdateID=170

Now take a look at this:

We hear an awful lot from conservatives in the Bible Belt and on the TV about how we all should be living. Certainly a culture that teaches the conservative religious values of the Christian right must have clean living written all over it. And lots of ripe fruit from their morally superior lives abounding."

"It doesn't. Far from it. People that talk the loudest may be the ones walking the slowest.

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And look, Atheist, Agnostics, Mary workshipping, ring kissing Catholics and heretic liberal christian Lutherans have the lowest divorce rates. About 21%
For Baptists are 29% and for other evangelicals are 34%.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
Now look at this:

11% of all American adults are divorced
25% of all American adults have had at least one divorce
27% of born-again Christians have had at least one divorce
24% of all non-born-again Christians have been divorced
21% of atheists have been divorced
21% of Catholics and Lutherans have been divorced
24% of Mormons have been divorced
25% of mainstream Protestants have been divorced
29% of Baptists have been divorced
34% of nondenominational, independent Protestants have been divorced
27% of people in the South and Midwest have been divorced
26% of people in the West have been divorced
19% of people in the Northwest and Northeast have been divorced (areas full of liberals, secularists and catholics).

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So if you want a stable marriage marry a Atheist, a Agnostic, a Catholic or a Lutheran.
So much for Christian family values.

LittleNipper said:

What the evolutionist is saying is that sin doesn't exist....

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I guess I have to quote Darwin on this one:

"The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference." Charles Darwin

You are quite correct. Evolution does not recognize "sin". However, there are moral codes we live by, many that are good and allowed civilization to organize and thrive.

stumpjumper said:

In all seriousness, though, I think Darwinian evolution provides a perfect backdrop and explanation of original sin. Original sin is simply our propensity and inclination towards committing actual sin.

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Does that mean god is the one who committed the original sin, since he's the one who created us and gave us our propensities?


MB.

in what moral world do we punish suns and daughters preemptively who have fathers or mothers who break the law? That would be the accurate comparison to original sin. Original sin died with Adam and eve.

MemeBuster said:

Does that mean god is the one who committed the original sin, since he's the one who created us and gave us our propensities?


MB.

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No more so than with a literal reading of Genesis. Even then, God gave us free will and placed the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden.

Original sin comes from our freedom (moral and natural) which makes us inclined and/or capable of committing actual sin. God created us with that ability, sure.

LittleNipper said:

What the evolutionist is saying is that sin doesn't exist....

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I really don't understand how you can justify lying about others when the religion you claim to follow explicitly tells you that lying is sinful.

Your inability to follow the most basic rules of your own religion brings into question the veracity of your remarks.

Revelation1217 said:

If you are so evolved, then why can't you stop sinning and doing evil? No matter how hard you try, none of you can stop massively sinning.

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Evolution theory is not about being "so evolved". Equivocation fallacy.

Imagine if someone could put together an hour long movie with the most wicked things you had ever thought, said or did together and put it on television on a major network during prime time.

You would want to run away and never come back

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No, I would find it interesting.

That is how any of us would feel.

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You have no idea what thoughts I have had and how I feel about them. Speak for yourself.

Creationists that say things like that in the OP are lucky that ignornance isn't a sin.

Why is it the Creationists can't be bothered to actually learn about evolution. The only way you can combat it is to actual know what you are railing against.

Because people like you exist =(

Revelation1217 said:

You know, it amazes me that after 12 years in public school, after 4 years at a public university, and after 4 more years at another public university that people think I never learned anything about evolution.

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Well, when someone spouts off as if evolution was a religion or a school of moral philosopy, it's a tip off that they know nothing about the subject.

By all means, tell us what your degree(s) is (are) in.

What I learned is that a lot of people loudly proclaim how "scientific" it all is, but how incredibly little science there actually is behind the theories.

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So hundreds of fossils, observed instances of speciation, The fusion of human chromosome 2, homologous ERVs, biogeography and anatomical homology constitute "incredibly little science"?

Someone is in denial.

Counterquestion: if you are so filled with the wisdom of the Holy Spirit, why can´t you adress people´s comments to your threads?

well two of the deadly sins, gluttony and lust, exist for basic evolutionary reasons. Food and sex are basic needs and those among our ancestors that gave into those sins were successful from an evolutionary perspective because they survived long enough to reproduce.

Revelation1217 said:

You know, it amazes me that after 12 years in public school, after 4 years at a public university, and after 4 more years at another public university that people think I never learned anything about evolution.

What I learned is that a lot of people loudly proclaim how "scientific" it all is, but how incredibly little science there actually is behind the theories.

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Perhaps it is because they are charitable? The only other explaination of your consistent misrepresentations is that you are intentionally lying!

There is no reason to expect that evolution would lead to a being that would not do evil or sin. Actually rather the opposite. Natural selection is about devil take the hindmost survival. Now if you were talking about getting caught you might have a point. Mean nasty creatures are in fact usually better equipped to survive.

If you wanted to attack evolution you should have asked the opposite question, why do people even have the concept of morals. That is a much more difficult question to deal with.

keith99 said:

Perhaps it is because they are charitable? The only other explaination of your consistent misrepresentations is that you are intentionally lying!

There is no reason to expect that evolution would lead to a being that would not do evil or sin. Actually rather the opposite. Natural selection is about devil take the hindmost survival. Now if you were talking about getting caught you might have a point. Mean nasty creatures are in fact usually better equipped to survive.

If you wanted to attack evolution you should have asked the opposite question, why do people even have the concept of morals. That is a much more difficult question to deal with.

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That´s not quite correct.
Basically, Evolution does not lead to anything specific. Evolution is the description we give to the process of diversification through procreation.
So it doesn´t matter if you have morals or not, are a "mean nasty creature" or not. If it allows you to hand your genes down to the next generation, it is "good".

And it seems that systems that are organized and ordered and protect their members are ONE valid strategy in this game.