Tyra Banks : Evil Filth/Evil Woman

Renton, do you believe that Tyra put that idea in her (actually, I should probably say his) head? The child already felt like a boy, which is why he wanted to undergo the process of transition. And no doctor would prescribe the necessary hormones without an evaluation from a psychiatrist. You know, the people that are trained to understand how the mind works.

Renton405 said:

No but my wife sometimes does and I see the awful stuff she puts on her shows.. She had a 12 year old girl on TV who wanted to be a boy, and everyone in the audience is clapping in cheering them on. You don't see anything wrong with that picture?? She is exploiting a confused child to push her views on the world.

A 12 year old shouldnt not even be thinking about having a "sex change". And shows like this hurt childrens innocence..Im sure Ill get the "narrowminded" label as usual, but when you really think about it, it is wrong what she is doing. If a childs innocence is ruined a big wrench is thrown into his growing up process and he isn't able to be a child anymore. The scary thing is this Typra Banks show probably dosen't have an M rating so it is getting to children..Everything about her show is anti-family, anti-moral values. If she wants to push her evil filth on people fine, but don't use underaged children to promote trangenderism. That is exploitation and its sick and she should be ashamed of herself..

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Newsflash: Transgenderism is REAL. All not telling children about it will do is lead to transgendered kids not understanding what's going on with them. It feels horrible to think that you're a freak. And it makes it even worse to have people like you who insist that genderqueer folks are evil and filthy.

Tyra is promoting understanding and acceptance of a misunderstood minority. I can't see how you'd feel that's wrong.

Well if public schools or parents would keep their children away from sex education in the public school system it would help greatly keep their innocence. Sex Education is pushed on children at too young an age and it is detriment to their innocence and their growing up. Yes, 10-12 year olds may have a "crush" here and there, but transgenderism and "sex change" surgury is something in a whole different ballgame and should not even be entering a childs mind(unless the parents are bad parents)

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Red herring. Sex education and transgender identification have nothing to do with each other. I never heard the term "transgender" in my sex ed classes. I never heard "homosexuality," either. I educated myself about those things, and concluded there was nothing wrong with either of them. My favorite cousin being a lesbian helped, though.

Plus, I think you have an idealized version of "childhood innocence." Children really aren't that innocent, and understand more than adults give them credit for. I believe children can deal with reality if we let them. There's no need to "protect their innocence."

Oh, and the "unless the parents are bad parents" thing is just unnecessary. A good parent exposes their child to the real world, and that includes things like homosexuality and transgender identity. A bad parent shelters their child from reality, causing the child to have difficulty accepting and coping with things outside their sphere of experience. My opinion, of course. YMMV.

Renton405 said:

No but my wife sometimes does and I see the awful stuff she puts on her shows.. She had a 12 year old girl on TV who wanted to be a boy, and everyone in the audience is clapping in cheering them on. You don't see anything wrong with that picture?? She is exploiting a confused child to push her views on the world.

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What is wrong with that picture, please explain it to me. Why is it wrong for a person to want to change their sex?

Renton405 said:

A 12 year old shouldnt not even be thinking about having a "sex change".

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Actually, children start realizing the difference in the sexes about the age of 5 (earlier for some, a little later for others). So why shouldn't a 12 year old understand they are the wrong sex?

Renton405 said:

And shows like this hurt childrens innocence.

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How does talking about gender (not sexual acts or anything sexual) hurt a child's innocence?

Renton405 said:

Im sure Ill get the "narrowminded" label as usual, but when you really think about it, it is wrong what she is doing.

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I don't judge when I can't understand your complaint. You keep complaining about innocence and evil but have give no reason why talking about gender hurts a child's innocence or why it is evil. Again, why?

In fact, I think it destroys a child's innocence to call them evil, and those that are trying to help them, for being transgendered.

Renton405 said:

If a childs innocence is ruined a big wrench is thrown into his growing up process and he isn't able to be a child anymore.

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But again, what does this have to do with innocence?

Renton405 said:

The scary thing is this Typra Banks show probably dosen't have an M rating so it is getting to children..

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I couldn't tell you what it was rated but Tyra Banks does not choose the rating for her show.

Renton405 said:

Everything about her show is anti-family, anti-moral values.

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I don't watch the show so I couldn't tell you. You haven't provided any evidence other than this one example, and it is not anti-moral or anti-family.

Renton405 said:

If she wants to push her evil filth on people fine, but don't use underaged children to promote trangenderism. That is exploitation and its sick and she should be ashamed of herself..

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How is it promoting transgenderism? Is having cancer patients on a program promoting cancer? And is it any worse than a tv show with a child prodigy? Or even a children's gospel choir? Would that not be exploitation as well?

Renton405 said:

Well if public schools or parents would keep their children away from sex education in the public school system it would help greatly keep their innocence. Sex Education is pushed on children at too young an age and it is detriment to their innocence and their growing up.

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But sex education has nothing to do with being transgendered/transsexual. Again, what does this have to do with innocence?

Renton405 said:

Yes, 10-12 year olds may have a "crush" here and there, but transgenderism and "sex change" surgury is something in a whole different ballgame and should not even be entering a childs mind(unless the parents are bad parents)

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Why? Again, children start understanding the difference in gender at age 5. Chances are that this child has been complaining for 7 years (or more) about being the wrong gender, maybe even longer. And if you think they are bad parents for trying to understand and support their child, I can only hope you never have a transgendered child.

In fact, in my experience it is your attitude that destroys the innocence and confusion in children.

I think she has an idea of what it means to be 14 years old.

You know what I see that a lot of people are against what Renton sad and I have to ask, "If you are reading the word of God how can you not be on Renton's side regarding this issue?"

Who said, "I knew you even before I formed you in your mothers womb"?

Huh, who said that?

Call we stop putting on the mind of the world here and start putting on the mind of Christ regarding this issue

The only thing I disagree with Renton about is the idea that a 14 year old is too innocent to know about transgender. No!

By the time a person turns 14 years old, that person has learned a lot of what society dictates to be normal or abnormal, right or wrong, accepted and unaccepted.

That much I person knows by the time he/she turns 14 years old. And we live in a society that says transgender is absolutely normal, right, and accepted.

Would Jesus say what you said knowing that He is the one that gave that child that body?

bigfen31 said:

You know what I see that a lot of people are against what Renton sad and I have to ask, "If you are reading the word of God how can you not be on Renton's side regarding this issue?"

Who said, "I knew you even before I formed you in your mothers womb"?

Huh, who said that?

Call we stop putting on the mind of the world here and start putting on the mind of Christ regarding this issue

The only thing I disagree with Renton about is the idea that a 14 year old is too innocent to know about transgender. No!

By the time a person turns 14 years old, that person has learned a lot of what society dictates to be normal or abnormal, right or wrong, accepted and unaccepted.

That much I person knows by the time he/she turns 14 years old. And we live in a society that says transgender is absolutely normal, right, and accepted.

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Where does the Bible say anything about being transgender?

First off I don't know much about transgenderism. Nothing really. But suppose it's all some kind of genetic fluke. I'm wondering if people would still be quoting the "I knew you in the womb" bit if an actual physical problem could be identified. I mean I don't hear of people trying to prevent the correction of other kinds of abnormalities...can you imagine? "Don't fix that club foot Doctor, God made her that way!!" But having the mind of one sex and the body of another is definitely an abnormality and thankfully it can sometimes be helped. Unfortunately there are some conditions that are apparent only to the individual since it resides somewhere deep inside the brain, something we actually know very little about. But I guess it's just another example of people filling the blanks in with God.

bigfen31 said:

Would Jesus say what you said knowing that He is the one that gave that child that body?

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And using that little tidbit of logic, encouraging a child with poor eyesight to get eyeglasses is wrong. The doctor that gave me the prescription for the shoes that fixed my flat feet was wrong. The plastic surgeon that fixes a baby's cleft palette is wrong.

bigfen31 said:

You know what I see that a lot of people are against what Renton sad and I have to ask, "If you are reading the word of God how can you not be on Renton's side regarding this issue?"

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a) The bible makes no statement on transgendered individuals.

b) If it did, I wouldn't care.

Who said, "I knew you even before I formed you in your mothers womb"?

Huh, who said that?

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One could just take that to mean that God knows that He/She/It makes transgendered folks.

Call we stop putting on the mind of the world here and start putting on the mind of Christ regarding this issue

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No. But we can apply psychological research, which maintains that gender dysphoria and transgender identity are very real.

The only thing I disagree with Renton about is the idea that a 14 year old is too innocent to know about transgender. No!

By the time a person turns 14 years old, that person has learned a lot of what society dictates to be normal or abnormal, right or wrong, accepted and unaccepted.

That much I person knows by the time he/she turns 14 years old. And we live in a society that says transgender is absolutely normal, right, and accepted.

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Dude...you don't get out much, do you? Society has major issues with transgender folks. Of course, I'm gonna guess that you're a straight, biological male, who identifies as male, and has no clue what you're talking about, other than some misguided idea that America is much more liberal than it actually is.

As I think I'm the only genderqueer in the thread, let me lay it out for you...it's not easy. We're not accepted. It's not viewed as normal.

Not that, I think, first hand testimony will play any part in what you think. You've already formed your opinion, and I don't think an injection of reality is going to change it.

bigfen31 said:

You know what I see that a lot of people are against what Renton sad and I have to ask, "If you are reading the word of God how can you not be on Renton's side regarding this issue?"

Who said, "I knew you even before I formed you in your mothers womb"?

Huh, who said that?

Call we stop putting on the mind of the world here and start putting on the mind of Christ regarding this issue

The only thing I disagree with Renton about is the idea that a 14 year old is too innocent to know about transgender. No!

By the time a person turns 14 years old, that person has learned a lot of what society dictates to be normal or abnormal, right or wrong, accepted and unaccepted.

That much I person knows by the time he/she turns 14 years old. And we live in a society that says transgender is absolutely normal, right, and accepted.

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So using your logic we shouldn't try to help children with leukaemia, Thalidomide babies or babies suffering from Erythroblastosis Fetalis, because God created them that way, and that is how they should stay.

Another tactic used by fundies such as Renton and co involves running off to the Bible to find a verse that supports your dislike of something, so when anyone dares to have an opposite opinion then they are not only against you, but against God Himself!

Renton405 said:

No but my wife sometimes does and I see the awful stuff she puts on her shows..

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Well, to be fair - Tyra doesn't actually decide any show topics. She's just the celebrity face after which the show is named, and she's the one who hosts it. I doubt her involvement goes much further than that. You can thank writers and producers for any show topics that you may consider "awful".

Renton405 said:

She had a 12 year old girl on TV who wanted to be a boy, and everyone in the audience is clapping in cheering them on. You don't see anything wrong with that picture?? She is exploiting a confused child to push her views on the world.

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Again, I highly dout these are the host's views. Simply put, the child was on the show because it's a controversial topic and is guaranteed to pique the interest of the viewing audience. Truth be told, even though shows like this and others such as Dr Phil, Oprah, etc claim they put these people on tv to "share their stories" and to "help" them, the real reason is because producers and writers know people will watch, and in turn produce ratings. It's all about the money networks can make, and has little or nothing to do with the people appearing on the shows.

Further, I don't see anything "wrong" with people sharing their stories, if they want to. Transgenderism is a very *real* issue, and I think people need to be exposed to it. Familiarity breeds acceptance sometimes, and these people needto be accepted. I encourage you to do some reading up on transgenders before you start spouting your hate speech, Renton. Most, if not all of them will tell you that they knew they were transgendered (or that something was "different" or "not right") from a *very* early age. A 12 year old is certainly self aware enough to realise this. Hell, I knew I was gay before I even knew what "gay" was - I knew from about age 6. If you're really interested in learning more, there are people on this very board who could enlighten you, but if you're only interested in bashing and calling these people "evil" and "filthy" then keep up the good work!

Renton405 said:

A 12 year old shouldnt not even be thinking about having a "sex change".

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That's not for you to decide. If a child is transgendered, I guarantee there's nothing you can do to stop them from dwelling on it.

Renton405 said:

And shows like this hurt childrens innocence..

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How so?

Renton405 said:

Im sure Ill get the "narrowminded" label as usual...

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You said it, not me. Although I tend to agree with you on this point.

Renton405 said:

... but when you really think about it, it is wrong what she is doing. If a childs innocence is ruined a big wrench is thrown into his growing up process and he isn't able to be a child anymore.

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Being transgendered is a big enough "wrench" in and of itself, Renton. Talking about it - if it makes them feel better - is their choice.

Renton405 said:

The scary thing is this Typra Banks show probably dosen't have an M rating so it is getting to children..Everything about her show is anti-family, anti-moral values. If she wants to push her evil filth on people fine, but don't use underaged children to promote trangenderism. That is exploitation and its sick and she should be ashamed of herself..

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Yes, heaven forbid we "promote" or fight for the acceptance of those who are different, Renton. Statements that you make like these sometimes make me so mad I could spit nails.

Renton405 said:

Well if public schools or parents would keep their children away from sex education in the public school system it would help greatly keep their innocence.

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And I suppose you'd grace us with some evidence to back up this statement?

Renton405 said:

Sex Education is pushed on children at too young an age and it is detriment to their innocence and their growing up.

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Sex education is "pushed" on kids at an early age because kids are having sex on their own at an early age, and if they're going to do it - they might as well be educated on the subject... although, it's not suprising to me that this is completely lost on you. I'm not usprised in the leaast.

Renton405 said:

Yes, 10-12 year olds may have a "crush" here and there, but transgenderism and "sex change" surgury is something in a whole different ballgame and should not even be entering a childs mind(unless the parents are bad parents)

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No doctor would give a sexual reassignment surgery to a minor. If the child is transgendered, there's nothing you can do as a parent to change it. The only thing you can do is to reassure the child that they are loved, and that being different is ok.

KarateCowboy said:

Transfolks? You're encouraging this? You've got to be kidding. That's hilarious.

I guess they can count themselves among Michael Jackson! He's successfully 'transitioned' from black to white!

"Hey guys! I'm a human, but inside, I'm really a pygmy three-toed sloth! Support me while I transition.

If laughter is the best medicine, reading this stuff will make me live forever.

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Completely uncouth and uncalled for. Making fun of people with a legitimate disorder is the lowest of the low. YOU are the lowest of the low. I'm glad, for your own sake, that you yourself aren't transgendered. I'd really hate for people to laugh at you and make fun of you in the manner you just illustrated. Really.

KarateCowboy said:

Transfolks? You're encouraging this? You've got to be kidding. That's hilarious.

I guess they can count themselves among Michael Jackson! He's successfully 'transitioned' from black to white!

"Hey guys! I'm a human, but inside, I'm really a pygmy three-toed sloth! Support me while I transition.

If laughter is the best medicine, reading this stuff will make me live forever.

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KarateCowboy said:

Transgendered? Transgendered? But, I'm transspecied! I used to be an Mohave desert squirrel, but now I'm a homo sapien male. Also, my cousin used to be Japanese, but he transed over to Polish when he moved to Chicago to avoid discrimination. So I know all about that.

I got news for you: hacking it off doesn't make a guy a woman. It makes him a eunuch. Neither does wearing women's clothes. It just puts him in drag.

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Christianity at its finest...

IzzyPop said:

Christianity at its finest...

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Hilariousness at its finest!

Renton405 said:

From what I have seen on TV tyra banks is totally getting out of control with her shows. And yesterday she broke the line. This last show, she had an underager(girl I believe) who was going through a "transition"(girl becoming a boy). Now Id like to remind you that this child was around 12-14 years old, WAY to young to even THINK about things like this. Children these ages should be playing with their friends, having fun, going to the movies, etc. NOT thinking if they wanna have a sex change! That idea shouldn't even slip into a child that young. Its obvious that tyra banks is exploiting this poor child to push her evil feminist/liberal views on the world. What if unsuspecting children watch that show and see this child?? Then the idea of "transitioning" and "sex change surgery" will go into the minds of other children watching her show, ruining the childs innocence and corrupting them. It is absolutely SICK that this prideful tyra banks would even exploit a confused underager like that and CONFIRM him. Shame on that woman for doing such a thing. I was so angry after watching the show that I am going to write an angry letter and email to the show about this..What is wrong with this world! Why can't children allowed to be children anymore?? Why can't people let them be without people like this Tyra Banks corrupting their innocence with her filthy ideas and shows..And worse, she portrays her show as this innocent show that familys can watch.

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You don't like it don't watch it...

KarateCowboy said:

Transgendered? Transgendered? But, I'm transspecied! I used to be an Mohave desert squirrel, but now I'm a homo sapien male. Also, my cousin used to be Japanese, but he transed over to Polish when he moved to Chicago to avoid discrimination. So I know all about that.

I got news for you: hacking it off doesn't make a guy a woman. It makes him a eunuch. Neither does wearing women's clothes. It just puts him in drag.

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KarateCowboy, why don't you try educating yourself about transgenderism a little before making fun of it? Or do you laugh and insult people who suffer from any kind of medical condition you don't understand?

I am about THISCLOSE to closing the thread for review.

Dial back the flames. IMMEDIATELY.

KarateCowboy said:

Transgendered? Transgendered? But, I'm transspecied! I used to be an Mohave desert squirrel, but now I'm a homo sapien male. Also, my cousin used to be Japanese, but he transed over to Polish when he moved to Chicago to avoid discrimination. So I know all about that.

I got news for you: hacking it off doesn't make a guy a woman. It makes him a eunuch. Neither does wearing women's clothes. It just puts him in drag.

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Making fun of problems do not make them go away. The transgendered have complicated medical issues going on, and suffer for them.

Would it be okay to make fun of people with more visible afflictions? No!

People who have identity issues are treated medically. Sometimes that involves helping them realize who they really are. Obviously, a human will always be a human. Comparing issues of gender identity with "species identity" is like comparing apples and rocks.

If you can't support people with complicated issues, at least don't make fun of them.


(I use "you" in the general, not specific, sense)